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Just a heads up - even if your income was below the filing threshold, you might still want to file if you had any federal taxes withheld from your paychecks. You could be due a refund! The IRS only gives you 3 years to claim refunds, so 2018 would still be within that window if you file soon.
Oh that's a really good point I hadn't considered! I did have some taxes taken out of my paychecks that year. Do you know if I'd still be able to get that money back even though it's been a few years?
Yes, you can still get that money back! For 2018 returns, you have until April 15, 2022 to file and claim any refund owed to you. After that date, any unclaimed refund becomes property of the Treasury. If you're due a refund, there's actually no penalty for filing late. The penalties only apply when you owe taxes. So this might be a win-win - you comply with the IRS request and potentially get some money back at the same time.
For anyone else who runs into this situation - I learned the hard way that even if you're under the filing threshold, if you received the Premium Tax Credit (Obamacare subsidy) during that year, you ARE required to file a return regardless of income. The IRS came after me for this exact reason.
Also worth noting that if you had self-employment income over $400, you're required to file too, even if your total income is below the standard threshold. Made that mistake my first year doing gig work.
One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're selling RSUs specifically to pay off student loans, you might want to consider tax loss harvesting if you have any other investments that are currently at a loss. You could potentially offset some of your capital gains and reduce your overall tax bill. Also, don't forget about state taxes! Depending on where you live, state tax on capital gains can add significantly to your total tax burden. Some states tax capital gains at the same rate as ordinary income.
Can you explain how tax loss harvesting would work with RSUs? I'm in a similar situation with some underwater tech stocks I could potentially sell, but I wasn't sure if there were special rules for harvesting losses against RSU gains.
Tax loss harvesting works the same with RSU gains as with any other capital gains. If you sell investments at a loss, those losses can offset your capital gains dollar-for-dollar. So if you have $10,000 in capital gains from your RSU sales and sell other investments at a $6,000 loss, you'd only pay taxes on $4,000 of net capital gains. Just be careful of the wash sale rule - don't buy substantially identical securities within 30 days before or after selling at a loss, or you can't claim the loss for tax purposes. This applies across all your accounts, including retirement accounts, so it's easy to accidentally trigger if you're not careful.
Don't forget that your company might offer an ESPP (Employee Stock Purchase Plan) in addition to RSUs, which has completely different tax treatment. A lot of my coworkers confuse the two. Also check if your company offers any special withholding options for RSU sales. Mine lets me specify an additional withholding percentage specifically for stock sales through our internal portal, which saved me from having to make separate estimated tax payments.
This is great advice. My company offers this too and I had no idea until HR mentioned it during a benefits review. Saved me from having to calculate quarterly estimated payments.
One thing to consider that nobody's mentioned yet is state taxes and fees. Some states (looking at you, California) charge S Corps an annual fee regardless of whether you make a profit. For my small side business, the $800 minimum franchise tax in CA made an S Corp completely impractical until I was making significant money. Also, think about growth plans. If you might want outside investors someday, an LLC taxed as a partnership gives you more flexibility than an S Corp, which has strict ownership limitations.
Good point about state fees! Also, does anyone know if you can change your mind later? Like if we start as a partnership, can we convert to S Corp next year if we decide that's better?
Yes, you can absolutely change later. Many businesses start as partnerships for simplicity, then convert to S Corps when their profits justify it. The conversion is straightforward - you file Form 8832 to elect to be taxed as a corporation, then Form 2553 to elect S Corp status. Just be aware there are timing requirements. Generally, if you want S Corp status for a particular tax year, you need to file within the first 2.5 months of that year (or within 75 days of forming your business if it's a new entity).
Important question nobody's asked yet: how much are you and your partner planning to take out of the business vs reinvest? This dramatically affects the partnership vs S Corp decision. If you're reinvesting most profits back into growing the business (buying more trucks, hiring staff), partnership might be simpler for now. If you're taking most profits out as income, S Corp could save significant self-employment taxes.
Former IRS agent here. Form 4562 is definitely required for S Corps in most depreciation situations. The only exception would be if you're ONLY continuing straight-line depreciation on assets from previous years with no changes and no new assets. Your new accountant might be trying to simplify your return, but this could cause problems later. The form serves as documentation for your claimed depreciation deductions. Without it, you might face questions during an audit about how you calculated those deductions. If your accountant is dismissing your concerns without explanation, that's a red flag. Either they don't fully understand your business's situation, or they're cutting corners. Either way, I'd push for a clear explanation or consider finding another accountant who takes your questions seriously.
Thank you so much for sharing your expertise! This confirms my suspicions. Would it raise any audit flags if we've submitted Form 4562 for many years and suddenly stop, even though we're still claiming depreciation on the same equipment?
Yes, it could potentially raise questions during a review or audit. Consistency in filing practices is something that the IRS looks at. When a business suddenly changes how they're reporting long-standing deductions, it can trigger closer examination. More importantly, Form 4562 provides the detailed documentation of your depreciation calculations. Without it, in the event of an audit, you'd need to provide alternative, equally detailed records showing how you arrived at the depreciation amounts claimed on your return. Having the form as part of your filed return establishes a clear record of your depreciation methodology.
Has anyone used the IRS website's interactive tax assistant for this? I thought there was a tool that helps determine which forms you need based on your business situation. Might be worth checking before paying for outside help.
I tried using the IRS interactive tools for my small business and found them frustratingly limited. They're okay for basic questions but not great for specific form requirements for business scenarios. For something like Form 4562, you'd be better off reading the actual form instructions directly from the IRS website.
Chloe Anderson
One thing no one has mentioned - the IRS matching system might have already flagged this if your wife's Social Security number shows as married on other documents but single HOH on tax returns. You might want to check if she's received any notices from the IRS in the past that she ignored.
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AstroAdventurer
ā¢Thanks for mentioning this. I asked her and surprisingly, she says she's never received any notices from the IRS questioning her filing status. Which seems weird to me? Wouldn't they automatically catch that we're married but filing differently?
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Chloe Anderson
ā¢The IRS system isn't as automated and efficient as people think. They have matching programs that flag obvious discrepancies like reported income not matching W-2s, but filing status verification is more complex and often requires human review. The IRS is severely understaffed and underfunded, so many issues that should be caught slip through. This doesn't mean you're in the clear though - they can still discover it during a random audit or if another issue triggers a review of her returns. The fact that she hasn't received notices yet is actually pretty common, but doesn't mean it won't become a problem later.
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Diego Vargas
Has your wife been claiming dependents too? Because that's what makes this potentially more serious. HOH status requires having a qualifying dependent, and there are strict rules about who can claim children when parents are married.
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Anastasia Fedorov
ā¢This is crucial. If you've been claiming the same dependents on your return while she's also claiming them as HOH, that's definitely going to raise red flags for the IRS.
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