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Has anyone checked if this might be related to that glitch in the IRS system from earlier this year? I remember reading something about the FUTA processing system having issues with state credit calculations. Maybe worth mentioning that specifically when you contact them?
Do you have any links about that glitch? I'm dealing with a similar issue but my accountant hasn't mentioned anything about a known system problem. Would be helpful to reference when I call them.
I don't have the exact link handy, but it was discussed in a Tax Notes article around February. The issue was specifically with the IRS automated processing system incorrectly flagging certain states as FUTA credit reduction states for the 2023 tax year when they weren't actually on the reduction list. If I remember correctly, the states most commonly affected were Ohio, Kentucky, and Virginia - businesses in these states were incorrectly having the credit reduction applied even though they weren't on the official reduction list for 2023. The article mentioned that the IRS was aware of the issue but hadn't fully resolved it in their automated processing system.
I'm a small business owner who just went through this exact same thing with a CP23 for FUTA recalculation. What tax software did you use to file? I'm wondering if certain tax programs are calculating this incorrectly.
Something important that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your AGI was over $150,000 last year, the safe harbor jumps from 100% to 110% of last year's tax liability. So if that stock sale pushed you over that threshold, you'd need to pay even more in estimated taxes to guarantee no penalty. One strategy to consider: increase your withholding toward the end of the year if needed. The IRS considers withholding to happen evenly throughout the year even if it didn't. So you could wait until Q4 to see where you stand and then adjust your W-4 for the last few paychecks to make up any shortfall.
That's really helpful! We might be in that higher AGI category because of the stock sale. So does that mean we'd need to withhold 110% of last year's tax (including the unexpected $9,300) to be safe? And that withholding tip is brilliant - I had no idea the IRS treats withholding as if it happened evenly!
Yes, if your AGI was over $150,000 last year, you'd need to cover 110% of your total tax liability (including that $9,300) to guarantee no underpayment penalty. But that's only if you're using the "prior year tax" safe harbor method. The withholding strategy is a great safety net. Unlike estimated payments which must be made quarterly in the correct amounts, the IRS treats withholding as if it occurred evenly throughout the year regardless of when it actually happened. So increasing your withholding in November/December can retroactively cover your requirements for the entire year. It's a completely legitimate way to avoid penalties if you realize late in the year that you might come up short.
Does anyone know if selling stocks through an employee stock purchase plan has the same issue? My company withholds some taxes when I sell, but I'm not sure if it's enough.
ESPP sales are actually a bit complicated. Companies usually withhold some taxes, but often only at a flat 22% rate for federal (regardless of your tax bracket). If you're in a higher tax bracket, that withholding might not be enough. Also, depending on if it's a qualifying or non-qualifying disposition, the tax treatment differs. Some of the gain might be taxed as ordinary income rather than capital gains.
Has anyone considered the fact that what OP did might actually be gifts to coworkers and those have different tax implications? The annual gift exclusion is like $17k per person, so giving $800 to each coworker shouldn't require any gift tax filing on OP's part. OP still pays income tax on the full amount, but there's no additional gift tax to worry about.
You're right about the gift tax exclusion, but I think OP's main concern was trying to avoid paying income tax on the portions given away, not about gift tax. Unfortunately, there's no way around paying income tax on the full amount since it was legally their income before they chose to give it away.
Oh good point, I misunderstood the original question then. Yeah, that's unfortunate but makes sense from a tax perspective - can't give away income to avoid the taxes on it. Thanks for clarifying!
My company actually has a formal program for this kind of thing - we can redirect part of our bonuses to other team members through HR before they're paid out. That way the money gets taxed to the person who actually receives it. Might be worth suggesting something like this to your HR department for the future, even if it doesn't help with this past bonus.
An important detail people often miss about HOH status is that you must pay more than half the cost of keeping up a home for the qualifying person. This means household expenses like rent/mortgage, utilities, repairs, etc. Just supporting your kid financially isn't enough - you need to maintain a home where they live. Also, only one person can claim HOH status for the same qualifying child, so if you and your ex are both trying to claim it based on the same child, there could be issues.
That's good to know about the household expenses! For my situation, I do pay the mortgage, utilities, and other household costs for my home. If I can establish that one of my college kids considers my home their main residence when not at school, would I meet that requirement even if they physically spend more time at college and with their mom during breaks?
Yes, you would likely meet the requirement. The IRS looks at whether you pay more than half the cost of maintaining the home where your qualifying person lives. Since college dorms and temporary stays during breaks are considered temporary absences, what matters is that you maintain their primary home. As long as your college student considers your home their main residence when not at school, and you pay more than half the costs of maintaining that home, you should meet the requirement. I'd recommend keeping documentation to substantiate this - things like their permanent address on school records, driver's license, voter registration, and where they receive mail.
Is anyone using TurboTax for this situation? Mine keeps defaulting to "single" even after I enter all my dependent info and answer the HOH questions. Seems like a software bug.
I had the same issue with TurboTax. I found that if you go back to the "Personal Info" section and manually select "Head of Household" instead of letting it calculate automatically, then proceed through the qualifying person questions again, it will stick. Sometimes the software doesn't correctly handle these college student temporary absence situations.
Jeremiah Brown
Something to watch out for with virtual firm conversions - we got hit with unexpected payroll tax issues. When we converted our newly acquired Michigan firm to virtual, several employees moved to different states. We didn't realize we needed to register for payroll tax accounts in each of those states, and the penalties were hefty. Make sure you're tracking employee locations carefully and filing all required state withholding forms. Form 941 federal filings weren't enough! Also, if you're planning to sell after conversion, get a good tax accountant to help you maximize the Qualified Business Income deduction before the sale. We were able to save almost $67,000 by restructuring some aspects of the business prior to our exit.
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Royal_GM_Mark
ā¢Did you have to deal with any local tax issues beyond state level? Our target firm has employees who would be working from Philadelphia which I know has its own wage tax. Any tips on tracking all these multi-state/local tax obligations?
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Jeremiah Brown
ā¢Yes, local taxes were actually more problematic than state taxes in some cases. Philadelphia wage tax was exactly one we encountered - it's around 3.5% for residents and still applies even when working remotely for an out-of-state employer. The key to tracking multi-jurisdiction obligations was implementing a good workforce management system that logged employee locations. We use a combination of IP logging and employee self-certification of work locations. For tax compliance, we ended up subscribing to a specialized multi-state tax service that alerts us to filing requirements and due dates across all jurisdictions. Initially tried to handle it manually and missed several local tax filings that resulted in penalties.
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Amelia Cartwright
Has anyone used a tax-deferred exchange (like a 1031 equivalent) when selling their accounting practice? I'm looking at selling my firm in Dallas and using the proceeds to acquire a larger one in Houston, but trying to minimize the immediate tax hit. My current practice is an S-Corp but the target is an LLC. Would appreciate any guidance on structuring this to defer taxes!
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Chris King
ā¢Unfortunately, a 1031 exchange only applies to real property, not business entities like accounting practices. The goodwill and client lists that make up most of an accounting firm's value don't qualify. Your best bet might be an installment sale (using Form 6252) to spread the tax hit over multiple years.
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