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Another tip - make sure to keep extremely detailed records of your attempts to get your employer to correct the W-2. The IRS might ask for this information. Each time you contact your employer, document: - Date and time - Who you spoke with (name and position) - What was discussed - Their response - Any follow-up promised If you're emailing, save all communications. If you're calling, take detailed notes. This documentation shows you made a good faith effort to resolve the issue before filing Form 4852.
Thanks for this advice. I have been keeping emails, but I hadn't thought to document the phone calls with this level of detail. Do I need to submit this documentation with my tax return or just keep it in case of questions later?
You don't need to submit the documentation with your tax return unless you're filing by mail and want to include it as supporting evidence. But definitely keep it in your records for at least 3 years (the standard IRS lookback period for audits). If the IRS does question the discrepancy between your Form 4852 and what your employer reported, having this documentation ready shows you weren't trying to misrepresent anything - you were actively trying to get the correct information but had to file with what you knew was accurate. It demonstrates good faith on your part.
One thing to consider - how big is the discrepancy in box 10 and 12? If it's relatively small, you might want to weigh whether it's worth the extra scrutiny that filing Form 4852 might bring.
That's terrible advice. You should NEVER file knowingly incorrect tax information, regardless of the amount. That's literally asking for problems down the road.
I wasn't suggesting filing incorrect information! I was suggesting evaluating whether the correction is material enough to warrant the extra steps. For example, if box 12 is off by $5 due to a rounding error, that's very different than if it's off by $5,000. The IRS itself has de minimis rules for certain reporting requirements. I'm not saying to ignore significant errors, just to consider whether the particular error materially affects tax liability before going through the Form 4852 process.
Lol I don't think TurboTax is doing anything weird, it's just that taxes are complicated af. I worked at a tax prep place for 2 tax seasons and returns for people with nearly identical situations would end up looking totally different based on tiny details. Like one W-2 employee with a kid might get EIC and need all those worksheets, while another W-2 employee with a kid who makes $1000 more doesn't qualify for EIC and gets a much simpler return. The software is just following tax law, which is stupidly complicated.
Is there any way to tell TurboTax to be more consistent? Like maybe a setting to always include explanations or something? I'm preparing returns for multiple family members and it would be easier to explain if they all had similar structures.
Nah, not really. The tax software has to include certain forms based on specific tax situations - there's no override for that. The IRS expects specific forms for specific situations, and the software complies with those requirements. For the explanation worksheets, those are typically included based on automated triggers within the software. TurboTax might include more detailed explanations when amounts are close to thresholds or when there are multiple factors affecting a calculation.
Curious if anyone has noticed a difference between the desktop and online versions of TurboTax? My brother and I have almost identical tax situations (similar W-2 income, both claim one child, both have mortgage interest) but his online version created a much more compact return than my desktop version which had like 10 extra pages.
Yes! The desktop version tends to include more supplementary worksheets and explanations. I've used both and the desktop version consistently produces longer returns with more supporting documentation. I think it's actually a feature of the desktop version since it's marketed more toward complex situations.
Have you considered filing for an Offer in Compromise (OIC)? With that amount of debt and if your financial situation truly doesn't allow you to pay it all, the IRS might accept a settlement for less than the full amount. You'll need to complete Form 656 and Form 433-A (or 433-B for businesses). The success rate isn't super high, but if you can demonstrate that you'll never reasonably be able to pay the full amount, it's worth trying. I had a client with $120k in tax debt get it settled for about $30k through this process. Just make sure all your documentation is thorough.
I've heard about OIC but wasn't sure if I'd qualify. Do they look at your assets too? I own my house with some equity in it and have a couple of vehicles. Would that disqualify me?
Yes, they absolutely look at your assets. The IRS typically expects you to liquidate or borrow against assets with equity before they'll approve an OIC. They calculate your "reasonable collection potential" based on your income, expenses, and asset equity. For your home, they'll consider the quick sale value (usually 80% of market value) minus any mortgages and exemption amounts. For vehicles, they'll look at equity beyond what's needed for basic transportation. Having assets with equity doesn't automatically disqualify you, but you'll need to account for that equity in your offer amount.
Has anyone tried doing a partial pay installment agreement? I heard its easier to qualify for than an OIC but still lets you pay less than the full amount?
I got a Partial Payment Installment Agreement (PPIA) last year. It's definitely easier than OIC but still required full financial disclosure with Form 433-F. The key difference is that with PPIA, you make payments based on what you can afford until the collection statute expires (usually 10 years from assessment). After that, the remaining balance is forgiven.
I've been a nanny for over 10 years and I can tell you that legitimate nannies PREFER to be W-2 employees! When families try to 1099 me, I explain that it's misclassification and actually costs me more in taxes (self-employment tax is 15.3% vs the 7.65% that each party pays for regular employment). Plus, as a W-2 employee I get unemployment protection, verifiable income for apartments/car loans, and proper Social Security credits. Being paid properly also means I'm covered by workers' comp if I get injured on the job. The families who do it right are the ones who keep great nannies long-term!
Do you ever help families set up the payroll stuff? My nanny keeps saying she wants to be "on the books" but neither of us know where to start.
I don't personally set it up for families, but I do point them toward resources. Many use household payroll services like HomePay, SurePayroll, or Poppins Payroll that specialize in nanny taxes. They handle all the paperwork, tax withholding, and filings for around $40-60/month. I also recommend they check the IRS Publication 926 (Household Employer's Tax Guide) which explains everything. Most families find that once they have a system set up, it's pretty easy to maintain and gives everyone peace of mind.
Just a quick tip - don't overlook state requirements too! Federal is just part of it. Depending on your state, you might also need: 1. State unemployment insurance account 2. Workers' compensation insurance 3. State-specific new hire reporting 4. Paid sick leave compliance We found this out the hard way after getting everything set up federally then realizing we had state obligations too.
Katherine Harris
Just to add some insight as someone who's been through this - Form 6765 is where you'll find evidence of R&D credits being claimed, but if you want to check if your activities qualify, the IRS uses a "four-part test": 1. Permitted Purpose: Developing new or improved functionality, performance, reliability, or quality 2. Technological Uncertainty: Uncertainty about capability, method, or design 3. Process of Experimentation: Systematic evaluation of alternatives 4. Technological in Nature: Based on physical sciences, engineering, computer science, etc. For architecture, things like developing new building systems, environmental control methods, or unique structural solutions often qualify. Just designing pretty buildings doesn't count!
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Alexis Robinson
ā¢This is exactly what I was looking for, thank you! I've checked our returns and there's no Form 6765 included anywhere, so I guess we're not claiming these credits. Based on that 4-part test, I'm pretty sure at least some of our projects would qualify. We do a lot of work on complex structures with unique sustainability challenges that require significant testing and prototyping. Do you know if there are downsides to claiming these credits? Like does it increase audit risk or anything like that?
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Katherine Harris
ā¢There is a slightly increased audit risk since R&D credits are scrutinized more carefully than some other deductions, but it's manageable with proper documentation. The key is to maintain thorough records of your qualifying activities - project plans, design iterations, testing results, emails discussing technical challenges, etc. The potential benefits usually far outweigh the risks. If you're confident your activities meet the four-part test and you have documentation to support it, don't let audit concerns prevent you from claiming legitimate credits. Just make sure you're working with someone experienced in R&D credits for architectural firms specifically, as they can help structure your documentation properly.
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Madison Allen
My architecture firm has been claiming these for years. The secret is proper documentation during projects! Start tracking time spent on innovative problem-solving activities NOW, even before you talk to your CPA. We had our team leads fill out simple weekly logs noting any time spent on "technical uncertainty resolution" and it made claiming the credits so much easier.
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Joshua Wood
ā¢What software do you use to track this? We're a small engineering firm and our time tracking is pretty basic right now.
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