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This happened to me last year. I ended up having to file an amended return, but I also sent a complaint to the IRS through Form 3949-A. I never heard anything back about the complaint, but it felt good to at least report it. One thing to consider - if the amount on the 1099-DIV is small (under $50-100), you might not need to amend. The IRS has a threshold for amendments, though they don't publish the exact amount. I've heard CPAs say that small amounts sometimes aren't worth the hassle.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Do you remember how long the amended return process took? And did you face any penalties from the IRS?
The amended return took about 16 weeks to process from when I mailed it - this was last year when they still had significant backlogs. They've supposedly improved processing times since then, but plan for at least 8-12 weeks. For paper returns, it's always slower. I didn't end up facing any penalties because I included a letter explaining that I received the 1099-DIV after the filing deadline. I did have to pay a small amount of interest on the additional tax (about $3 for a $200 tax difference), but the IRS waived the late payment penalty after I explained the situation. Make sure you include a clear explanation with your amendment!
Has anyone ever had any luck getting a company to pay for the cost of filing an amended return? It seems unfair that their mistake becomes our problem and expense!
For what it's worth, I got my Robinhood 1099 yesterday (Feb 11th). I only had a few dividend payments and like 5 trades all year, so my account is pretty simple. Seems like they're definitely doing it in batches with the more complex accounts coming later.
Do you happen to know if crypto transactions are on a different timeline? I did some ETH trading on Robinhood and wondering if those forms come separately.
From what I understand, crypto should be included on your 1099-B if you sold any during the year. Mine had both my stock trades and my small amount of Bitcoin trading all on the same form. I don't think they issue separate forms for crypto versus stocks, but the forms might come later if you did a lot of crypto trading since those transactions can be more complex to report.
Ughhh I'm still waiting for mine and it's February 12th! This is sooo annoying because my tax guy needs all my docs by the 20th or he won't guarantee filing before April. Anyone else in the same boat? I had like 200+ trades last year so maybe that's why?
I had over 300 trades and got mine yesterday. Check if you did any weird stuff like options or penny stocks. My buddy trades options and hasn't gotten his forms yet, while I mostly stuck to regular stocks and ETFs.
Thanks for the info. I did mess around with some options trading last summer, so maybe that's what's causing the delay. Guess I'll just have to tell my tax guy to wait. So frustrating!
Just to add another data point - I went through this exact situation last year. Owed about $5,800 and set up an installment plan with zero issues. The confusion might be about the different TYPES of installment plans. For amounts under $10,000, you qualify for a "guaranteed" installment agreement which is actually easier to get than plans for higher amounts. For amounts over $10K but under $50K, there's a "streamlined" installment plan which requires a bit more information but is still pretty straightforward. The agent your cousin spoke to might have been referring to some other program, or maybe was talking about an "offer in compromise" which is totally different - that's when you negotiate to pay less than the full amount owed.
Do you remember what the monthly payment amount was for your $5,800 balance? I'm trying to figure out if they let you choose how much to pay each month or if they assign an amount.
You generally can choose your monthly payment amount as long as the debt will be paid off within the required timeframe. For amounts under $10,000, that timeframe is 3 years (36 months). So in my case, the minimum payment would have been about $161 per month not including interest and penalties. I actually opted to pay $200 per month to account for the ongoing interest and penalties and to clear the debt faster. They let me choose this amount during the application process. I set up direct debit from my checking account to avoid having to remember to make the payments and to get the lowest setup fee.
One important thing to note - if your cousin owes for the 2023 tax year and hasn't filed yet, he should still file by the deadline even if he can't pay everything! The failure-to-file penalty is much worse than the failure-to-pay penalty. Also, I'd recommend having him call back and speak to a different agent, or trying the online payment agreement system at irs.gov directly. The online system is actually pretty easy to use for amounts under $10K.
Completely agree about filing on time! The failure-to-file penalty is 5% of the unpaid taxes for each month your return is late, up to 25%. The failure-to-pay penalty is much lower at 0.5% per month.
Thank you for pointing this out! He did file on time, he just couldn't pay the full amount at once. I'll definitely suggest he try the online system since that seems to be the consensus here - much easier than trying to call again.
4 You might want to look into claiming this as a business bad debt on Form 8949. I'm not an accountant, but I had to write off some unpaid invoices a couple years ago. The key distinction is whether you provided services (which it sounds like you did) or if you loaned money. Different rules apply to each situation.
12 Thanks for the suggestion! Would I need any special documentation to prove I actually tried to collect the debt? I have the original contract, all my invoices, and email threads showing I tried to get paid multiple times.
4 Yes, documentation is critical. Keep your original contract, all invoices sent, and especially any communications showing you attempted to collect payment. Also document how you determined the company was bankrupt and the debt uncollectible - like news articles about their shutdown, bankruptcy filings, or bounced emails to company addresses. Form 8949 is typically used for capital losses, but business bad debts can sometimes be reported as short-term capital losses. However, this really depends on your specific situation and whether you're using cash or accrual accounting.
16 Wait, wouldn't this qualify as a 1099 situation? If they paid you $7,200, they should have sent you a 1099-NEC if it was over $600. Did you receive that form? Cause that affects how you report this whole thing.
3 Good point! They definitely should have issued a 1099-NEC for payments over $600. If they didn't, you should still report the income you actually received, but that missing 1099 might be another sign the company wasn't following proper business practices.
StarGazer101
Just to add another perspective - you might want to consider whether you actually WANT to withhold exactly the right amount. My spouse and I are in a similar income bracket (about $800k combined) and we actually prefer to slightly underwithhold and make quarterly estimated tax payments instead. The advantage is we keep control of that money throughout the year rather than giving the government an interest-free loan. We put the money that would have been withheld into a high-yield account, and then make the required quarterly payments to avoid penalties. As long as you pay in at least 100% of your previous year's tax liability through withholding and estimated payments (or 110% if your AGI was over $150k), you won't face any underpayment penalties.
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NightOwl42
ā¢That's an interesting approach I hadn't considered! About how much do you typically underwithhold? And do you just make equal quarterly payments, or is there some calculation involved? I'm intrigued by the idea of having more control over our money throughout the year.
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StarGazer101
ā¢We typically underwithhold by about 15% of our total expected tax liability. For someone in your situation, that might mean underwithholding by around $30,000 total for the year, or $2,500 monthly that stays in your accounts instead of going to the IRS. The quarterly payments don't have to be equal if your income fluctuates, but we keep it simple and just divide our expected shortfall by 4. The payment due dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. You can make them online at the IRS website using Direct Pay or EFTPS. Just make sure you're meeting that safe harbor of 110% of your previous year's tax liability (since you're over the $150k AGI threshold). That's the easiest way to guarantee no penalties regardless of this year's actual liability.
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Keisha Jackson
Has anyone used the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator for this situation? I tried using it but felt like I was still guessing at some of the inputs. Our income is close to OP's and we have the same problem every year!
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Paolo Romano
ā¢I use it all the time and find it really accurate, but it's crucial that you include ALL income sources, not just your W-2 jobs. Make sure you're entering things like investment income, rental properties, etc. The other key is to update it quarterly since your situation might change throughout the year.
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