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Yuki Sato

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Contact your payroll department immediately! This happened to me in 2023, and it was because my company's payroll system had a glitch that caused duplicate reporting for about 50 employees. If multiple people at your company are affected, the IRS might already be aware of a systematic error. My company had to issue corrected W-2c forms to everyone affected and file corrections with the IRS. Keep records of EVERYTHING - emails with payroll, copies of your original W-2, pay stubs, etc. The more documentation you have showing the correct amounts, the easier this will be to resolve.

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Thanks for this advice. I reached out to our payroll department yesterday and they're "looking into it." Did your company initially deny there was an issue? I'm getting some resistance from our HR coordinator who keeps insisting their reporting was correct.

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Yuki Sato

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Yes, at first they denied anything was wrong! It took about two weeks of me and other affected coworkers persistently following up before they finally investigated properly. Their initial response was "our system doesn't make mistakes" but clearly it did. Ask if anyone else in the company received similar notices - that was what finally got them to take it seriously when they realized multiple people were affected. If possible, get a copy of your "Last Pay Statement" for the tax year in question - this should show your year-to-date earnings and withholdings that should match your W-2.

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Don't let this slide or procrastinate on it! My brother ignored a CP2501 thinking it was just a minor discrepancy, and it escalated to a CP3219A notice of deficiency. Once that happens, your options become much more limited. The IRS gives you 30 days to respond to a CP2501. Make sure you meet that deadline even if you're still gathering information. You can write them explaining you're working with your employer to resolve the reporting error and request additional time.

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Andre Dubois

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What happens if you miss the 30 day deadline? My notice arrived when I was traveling for work and I just opened it yesterday. The response due date is in 5 days!

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Just an FYI for anyone dealing with this - I'm a payroll specialist (not for Paycom) and this is unfortunately a common mistake. The confusion usually happens because both HSA contributions AND cafeteria plan premiums are pre-tax, but they're handled differently on the W2. For clarification: - Box 12 Code W: Only HSA contributions - Cafeteria plan premiums: No specific box, they simply reduce wages in Box 1 - FSA contributions: Box 14 (optional) or just reduce Box 1 - 401k contributions: Box 12 Code D If your payroll person insists they're right, ask them to check IRS Publication 969 and the W2 instructions specifically for Box 12 Code W.

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This is super helpful! Would it make a difference if some of the additional amount in Code W might be employer contributions to the HSA? My employer doesn't contribute to mine, but I'm wondering if that could explain why some companies might have a higher number there.

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Yes, that's a good question! If your employer makes contributions to your HSA, those amounts ARE included in Box 12 Code W along with your own contributions. So the total in Code W would be the combination of your contributions plus your employer's contributions. But in your case, since you said your employer doesn't contribute to your HSA, that's not the explanation. This is definitely an error where they're incorrectly including cafeteria plan premiums in Code W.

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Sorry if this is a dumb question but how urgently does this need to be fixed? I just checked my W2 and I think they made the same mistake. I've already filed my taxes though... am I going to get in trouble with the IRS?

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Don't worry, it's not a dumb question at all. If you've already filed, you should still try to get a corrected W2 from your employer. Once you receive it, you'd need to file an amended return (Form 1040-X). If the incorrect W2 makes it look like you over-contributed to your HSA, the IRS might send you a notice. In that case, you'd need to respond with an explanation and documentation showing your actual HSA contributions. It's better to be proactive, but you won't get in serious trouble - worst case would be having to pay a 6% excise tax on any "excess contributions" until the issue is resolved.

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Has anyone considered whether your mom could be classified as an independent contractor vs an employee? If she's only playing at events organized by one company, and they direct when and where she performs, she might actually qualify as an employee. In that case, the wedding coordinator should be paying half of her FICA taxes. The IRS has a 20-factor test to determine proper classification. Might be worth looking into if this is ongoing work. The coordinator can't just give someone a 1099 to avoid payroll taxes if the relationship is really employer-employee.

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Zara Malik

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That's really interesting - I hadn't even considered that possibility. She does only work through this one coordinator who tells her exactly when to show up, what to wear, and even provides a specific set list for each event. The coordinator also handles all client interactions and payments. Would those factors suggest she should be an employee?

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Those factors definitely suggest she might be misclassified! When the business controls the when, where, and how of the work, that strongly indicates an employment relationship rather than independent contractor status. Other indicators include if they provide equipment (though you mentioned venues have the pianos), if she can't work for competitors, and if she's economically dependent on this one business. If misclassified, filing Form SS-8 with the IRS would request a determination of worker status. She could also file Form 8919 to report her share of uncollected Social Security and Medicare taxes. This would potentially reduce her tax burden since she'd only be responsible for the employee portion (7.65%) rather than the full self-employment tax (15.3%).

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Carmen Ruiz

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Guys I'm in a similar situation but with writing gigs. If I made around $5k last year from freelance work, do I HAVE to file Schedule SE? Can't I just pay the income tax and skip the self-employment part? The extra 15% is killing me financially.

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Luca Greco

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Unfortunately, you do have to file Schedule SE if your net earnings from self-employment are $400 or more. There's no legal way to "skip" the self-employment tax as it funds your future Social Security and Medicare benefits. However, you can potentially reduce your self-employment income by making sure you're claiming all legitimate business deductions on Schedule C first. Things like your computer, portion of internet/phone, home office, software subscriptions, and professional development can all reduce your net profit subject to SE tax.

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Carmen Ruiz

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Thanks for the honest answer. Guess I just needed someone to confirm I can't avoid it. I'll look into those deductions for sure. Do you know if the SE tax is calculated before or after regular income tax? Just trying to understand the full picture of what I'm paying.

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Former tax preparer here - just want to add that this transaction limit issue is super common with day traders. Besides what others suggested, you might consider filing Form 8949 separately with your summarized transactions. One approach I often used with clients: Group transactions by long-term vs short-term, then by similar securities types. The IRS mainly wants to ensure you're reporting accurate totals and paying the correct tax, not that you're listing every single trade individually.

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Diego Rojas

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Thank you! For the Form 8949 approach, do I still need to mail in paper forms or can I e-file my return with the summarized transactions? And should I include some kind of statement explaining what I did?

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You can still e-file with summarized transactions - that's not a problem. When you use the summary method, you should include a statement with your return that says something like "Multiple transactions are reported on a single line. Details available upon request." This covers you from an IRS perspective. I'd also suggest keeping a detailed spreadsheet with all your individual transactions that ties to your summary totals. This becomes your supporting documentation if questions ever come up. The most important thing is making sure your total gains/losses are accurate, especially with proper handling of wash sales and correct cost basis.

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Anyone else feel like the whole tax system is rigged against regular people? Like why TF is there even a transaction limit? The IRS knows exactly what I made from my 1099s already. The whole thing is just designed to make us pay for expensive software or accountants. šŸ™„

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Ethan Wilson

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The transaction limits are actually more about the software companies than the IRS. The consumer versions of tax software have these limits because processing thousands of transactions is computationally expensive. Professional versions don't have these limits but cost a lot more.

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Aidan Hudson

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Something nobody mentioned yet - you should really look into getting a proper business license and registering your art business with your state/city! I learned this the hard way. I ran my design business for 2 years just treating it as extra income before finding out I needed a business license in my city. Got hit with back fees and a small penalty. Each place has different requirements, but usually there's a simple business registration you need to file. Also, once you're official, you can get a resale certificate which lets you buy supplies without paying sales tax (since your customers pay the tax when they buy from you). Saved me thousands on materials alone.

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I hadn't even thought about business licenses! Is that something I need even if I'm just doing occasional art markets and some online sales? How do I find out what my local requirements are?

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Aidan Hudson

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Even for occasional sales, most places require some form of business registration. It varies widely by location though. Start by checking your city's website for "business license" or "business registration" - most have simple online forms. Your county may also have requirements, especially if you're in an unincorporated area. The good thing is that for small creative businesses, the fees are usually pretty reasonable - mine was only $85 per year. The sales tax exemption on supplies makes it worth it alone. Also check if your state requires a general business registration or DBA ("doing business as") filing if you're operating under a business name rather than your personal name.

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Zoe Wang

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Just wanted to share what worked for me as a glass artist: I use the "profit first" system where I have multiple business accounts that I transfer specific percentages into: - One account for taxes (25-30% of income) - One for business expenses (30-35%) - One for business profit (5-10%) - One for owner compensation (rest) Every time money comes in, I immediately split it into those accounts. This way I'm always setting aside tax money and know exactly how much I can spend on supplies vs take as personal income.

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This is a really smart approach! How did you decide on those specific percentages though? Are those standard or did you customize based on your business?

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