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I think everyone is overlooking a key detail - the correction needs to be removed FROM THE PLAN by April 15, not just requested. Sending emails today won't help if the actual distribution doesn't happen by the deadline. You're unfortunately going to have to deal with the tax consequences.
That's actually incorrect. According to IRS regulations, the deadline is for notifying the plan administrator, not completing the distribution. The regulation specifically states: "If the employee notifies the plan of the excess by April 15, the excess amount is not subject to double taxation." The actual distribution typically takes several weeks to process, but as long as the request is made by the deadline, the participant is considered compliant.
I work in benefits administration and handle these cases regularly. You're right that the notification deadline is April 15, not the distribution completion deadline - that was my mistake. What I should have clarified is that proper documentation of the notification is crucial. An email might work, but some plan administrators require specific forms to be submitted. The safest approach is to follow up with both administrators on Monday and ask them to confirm the appropriate procedure while referencing your weekend emails as initial notification.
Anyone know how the taxes work on the returned excess? Like does it just get added to your income for the current tax year?
The excess contribution amount gets added to your taxable income for the year you receive the distribution (so this current tax year, not last year). The earnings portion is also taxable in the current year. You'll get a 1099-R form showing the distribution. The good news is you avoid the 6% excess contribution penalty this way. The returned amount is technically taxed twice (once when contributed, once when distributed), but that's still better than the 6% penalty repeating every year until fixed.
I think the answer depends on the complexity of the question. For basic stuff like "Can I deduct my mortgage interest?" I don't need to research. But for anything with nuance or that seems unusual, absolutely research it. I've seen too many colleagues confidently give wrong answers because they didn't bother to check. Tax law is too complex and changes too often to rely solely on memory.
What's your go-to research source? I've been using the IRS website but sometimes it's hard to navigate.
My primary research source is the actual Internal Revenue Code and Treasury Regulations when I need definitive answers. They're comprehensive but can be dense reading. For day-to-day questions, I use a combination of CCH IntelliConnect and Bloomberg Tax. They're subscription services but worth every penny for the time they save and the confidence they provide. They include practical explanations, examples, and citations to relevant code sections and cases. I also frequently check IRS publications for more straightforward explanations, though they don't cover every nuance.
Any1 else think its crazy how many tax pros just make stuff up? Had a client come to me after another preparer told them they could deduct 100% of meals (wrong) and their entire cell phone bill as a business expense without documentation (also wrong). When I asked the client if the preparer researched this, they said "no he seemed very confident." Confidence ā correctness in taxes!!
Omg yes! Just had someone come to me with a MESS of a return from last year. Previous preparer had claimed random deductions with zero documentation and now they're being audited. Be confident in your research, not your memory!
Just a heads up that getting this wrong can trigger an audit! My sister's salon got audited because she was inconsistent with how she categorized supplies vs. small equipment with de minimis. The auditor specifically looked at how she categorized product that was used in services vs. sold retail. Make sure you're consistent year to year with your approach! If you use de minimis for certain categories, keep using it that way. Sudden changes in how you categorize things can raise red flags.
Just a quick reality check - as a CPA who works with many salon owners, this question comes up constantly. Here's the simple version: 1) Supplies used up within a year in services (color, shampoo, etc.) = regular business expense on Schedule C 2) Equipment under $2500 that lasts multiple years (tools, iPads, etc.) = can use de minimis if you elect it 3) Retail products you sell = inventory (different rules entirely) For FreeTaxUSA, just group by category. "Hair color & chemical supplies - $X,XXX" is totally fine as one line. Hope that helps!
I ran into this exact problem last year! That $103 is definitely interest/earnings that accumulated in your traditional IRA before you converted to Roth. Even if it was only in there briefly, money markets and other default holding options can generate small returns. What tripped me up with TurboTax was the Form 8606 part. You need to make sure you've indicated that you made a non-deductible contribution to your traditional IRA first, then the conversion. TurboTax sometimes misses this connection if you don't enter things in the right order. Did you also receive a 5498 showing your original contribution to the traditional IRA? That form would show the initial amount you put in before conversion.
No, I never got a 5498 showing my original contribution to the traditional IRA. Maybe that's part of the problem? I contributed $6,000 to the traditional IRA in January and converted it a few weeks later. Would TurboTax be confused because it doesn't see the original contribution form?
That's definitely the issue! The 5498 for traditional contributions typically comes really late (like May or June), long after tax filing season. So you need to manually enter your non-deductible contribution in TurboTax. Look for the section in TurboTax about "IRA Contributions" and make sure you've entered your $6,000 contribution as non-deductible to a traditional IRA. Then when you enter the conversion, TurboTax will understand that only the $103 above your contribution amount is taxable. Without that first step, TurboTax thinks the entire conversion amount is taxable!
Did you check if you had any existing pre-tax money in ANY traditional IRAs? This is the pro-rata rule trap that gets so many people with backdoor Roths. If you had any pre-tax IRA money anywhere (even old 401k rollovers), that would cause some of your conversion to be taxable.
I don't think I have any other IRA accounts... but now you've got me worried. How would I even check this? Is there a way to see all retirement accounts tied to my SSN?
You can check your credit report sometimes - it might show old accounts. Also check with previous employers to see if you had any 401ks that might have been auto-rolled to IRAs. The pro-rata rule is brutal and catches a ton of people doing backdoor Roths!
Sophie Footman
Just want to add something that helped me with my 1099 tax debt - the Taxpayer Advocate Service. They're an independent organization within the IRS that helps taxpayers resolve problems. I was in a similar situation with about $35k in tax debt from 1099 work, and they helped me navigate my options. The service is free, but you need to demonstrate that you're facing significant hardship. In my case, I was able to show that the minimum payments were preventing me from covering basic living expenses. They helped me get into a more reasonable payment plan and even got some penalties removed.
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Miles Hammonds
ā¢This sounds promising! How long did the process take when you used the Taxpayer Advocate Service? And did you need to provide a lot of financial documentation?
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Sophie Footman
ā¢The whole process took about 2 months from my initial contact to getting a revised payment plan. They do require quite a bit of documentation - I had to provide bank statements, pay stubs, a detailed list of monthly expenses, and proof of my housing costs and medical expenses. They assigned me a specific advocate who worked directly with me throughout the process. The most helpful part was having someone who could explain the various relief options in plain English and who actually seemed to care about finding a solution that worked for my specific situation. Much better than trying to navigate the general IRS channels where you rarely speak to the same person twice.
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Connor Rupert
Don't overlook self-employment tax deductions! I was in a 1099 mess too, and the thing that helped most was properly tracking business expenses. Are you deducting: - Home office (if you have dedicated space) - Health insurance premiums - Cell phone/internet (business portion) - Mileage for business travel - Retirement contributions (SEP IRA or Solo 401k) - Business software subscriptions These can significantly reduce your taxable income. I started a SEP IRA and was able to contribute about 20% of my net earnings, which saved thousands in taxes each year.
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Molly Hansen
ā¢This! I switched from doing a Schedule C to forming an S-Corp after my 1099 income hit about $80k, and it saved me a ton on self-employment taxes. You still pay yourself a reasonable salary that gets employment taxes, but can take the rest as distributions that aren't subject to SE tax. Might be worth looking into if your 1099 income is substantial.
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