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Nobody has mentioned this, but there's also the step-up in basis to consider! If you gift assets during your lifetime, the recipient takes your cost basis. If they inherit after death, they get a stepped-up basis to the fair market value at your death, which can be HUGE for capital gains tax purposes. For example, if you bought stock at $10K that's now worth $50K, and you gift it, your child has a $10K basis. If they later sell at $100K, they pay capital gains on $90K of appreciation. If they inherited it at your death when worth $50K, they'd only pay tax on $50K of appreciation. This is why sometimes it's better to hold appreciated assets until death rather than gifting during life, especially if you're unlikely to hit the estate tax exemption.
Wow, I hadn't thought about the basis step-up issue at all. Does this mean I should be gifting cash rather than appreciated investments if I do start annual gifting? Or is there some strategy that lets you get the best of both worlds?
Yes, if you're going to gift, cash or high-basis assets are generally better from a tax perspective. You want to keep the low-basis (highly appreciated) assets in your estate to get that step-up when you pass. Another strategy some people use is life insurance. If you're worried about estate taxes but want to preserve the step-up, you can keep your appreciated assets and buy life insurance in an irrevocable life insurance trust (ILIT) to provide liquidity for any estate taxes. The insurance proceeds, if structured correctly, pass outside your estate and can be used to pay any estate tax due, allowing your heirs to keep more of your assets intact.
I think people are overthinking this. The annual gift exclusion is use-it-or-lose-it. If you don't use this year's $17k exclusion, you can't make up for it later. And if your looking at 30+ years of compounding, those early gifts could grow substantially. My approach has been to just do a 529 for college funds, then put the rest in a UTMA. Yes, my kid gets it at 21, but that's what good parenting is for. Teach them about money so they don't blow it all. And if you're really worried, you could do a trust, but honestly at your wealth level that seems like overkill for now.
I disagree with your "use it or lose it" framing. While you can't recover unused annual exclusions, you still have your lifetime estate/gift tax exemption. So it's not like those opportunities to transfer tax-free are gone forever if you don't make annual gifts. Also, compounding works the same whether the money is in your account or your child's account. The real question is whether you think you'll exceed the lifetime exemption (even after it decreases), which most people won't.
Just a heads up that if ur state has a franchise tax for corporations (like California) you might still have to pay it even as an LLC electing corporate tax treatment. Learned this the hard way last year with my LLC lol. Check your state's specific rules!!!
Yep, this is critical. Texas has the same issue - my LLC that's taxed as an S-corp still has to file and pay franchise tax even though federally we're an S-corp. Cost me $3,500 I wasn't expecting my first year.
Something else to consider is if you ever want outside investors, many prefer traditional corps over LLCs. My tech startup started as an LLC taxed as a corp, but when we sought angel funding, we had to convert to a C-corp anyway. Investors didn't want pass-through tax consequences and preferred the standard shareholder structure. Just something to keep in mind if future funding is a possibility.
This is huge! We had to do the same thing. Our attorneys said converting from LLC to C-corp cost us an extra $11k in legal fees compared to if we'd just started as a C-corp. Depends on your longterm goals I guess.
22 Something nobody's mentioned is the "backdoor Roth" strategy that high-income folks use to get around the income limits. You contribute to a traditional IRA (which has no income limits for contributions), then immediately convert to Roth. There's tax implications but it's a common workaround.
11 Is that different from the mega backdoor Roth? I've heard about that one but don't fully understand it. Something about using your 401k?
22 Yes, they're different strategies. The regular backdoor Roth is what I described - contributing to a traditional IRA then converting to Roth when your income exceeds the limits for direct Roth contributions. The mega backdoor Roth involves making after-tax (not Roth) contributions to a 401(k) plan above the standard employee contribution limit, then either converting those to Roth inside the plan or rolling them over to a Roth IRA. It requires a 401(k) plan that specifically allows after-tax contributions and in-service distributions or rollovers. The potential contribution amounts are much larger - potentially up to $40,000+ per year depending on your plan's limits and your other contributions.
9 Another technique I've seen is using self-directed Roth IRAs to invest in private placements or real estate that has explosive growth potential. You need to be careful with prohibited transactions though, since you can't self-deal.
16 Are there companies that help set up self-directed IRAs? My regular brokerage only lets me invest in standard stuff like stocks and ETFs.
Has anyone tried using the IRS's "Get Transcript" tool online to find this information? I'm wondering if it shows Form 8606 filings or if it's too general to help with basis calculations.
I tried that route first. The transcript shows that Form 8606 was filed but doesn't give you the detailed line items like your non-deductible contribution amounts. It's helpful to confirm if you filed the form, but you still need the actual forms to see the specific numbers.
Another overlooked option: If you absolutely cannot determine your basis accurately, you could consider a "fresh start" by doing a full backdoor Roth conversion. Take all your Traditional IRA money, pay the taxes on the full amount (assuming it's all taxable), and move to Roth. Then start tracking properly going forward. Yes, you might pay some extra taxes if you had non-deductible contributions in there, but the peace of mind and clean slate might be worth it for some people. I did this two years ago and while the tax hit wasn't fun, the simplicity going forward has been great.
This seems like terrible advice if the person has a large IRA balance. You could end up paying tens of thousands in unnecessary taxes! Plus dumping a large conversion into a single tax year could push you into a higher bracket.
You're right that it's not for everyone - should have been clearer about that. It makes sense mainly for smaller balances where the potential overtaxation is less than the hassle of reconstructing years of missing records. For larger balances, it's definitely worth putting in the time to get the basis right. I should have mentioned that doing partial conversions over several years can also help manage the tax impact by spreading it across multiple tax brackets.
Yara Sabbagh
One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that you should run the numbers both ways before deciding. Sometimes actual expenses seem better in a high-repair year, but standard mileage works out better over the car's lifetime. I've been tracking both methods side-by-side since 2020 for my business vehicle, even though I always use standard mileage on my actual returns. This way I know exactly when (or if) I should switch. For 2025, standard mileage is 67.5 cents per mile which is pretty generous. For me that works out better than actual expenses unless I have catastrophic car problems.
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Keisha Johnson
ā¢How exactly do you track both methods side by side? Do you need to keep all receipts for gas, maintenance, etc. even when using standard mileage? Seems like a lot of extra work.
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Yara Sabbagh
ā¢I keep all receipts and track all car expenses in a simple spreadsheet regardless of which method I use. Yes, it's a bit of extra work upfront, but it takes me maybe 5 minutes a week to update. The spreadsheet has columns for date, expense type (gas, insurance, repairs, etc.), amount, and mileage. At the end of each year, I total up all the actual expenses and multiply my business miles by the standard rate, then compare. This way I can see which method would be better and make an informed decision if I want to switch.
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Paolo Rizzo
Has anyone considered using an entirely separate vehicle just for business? That's what I ended up doing after dealing with this headache for years. I have a cheaper car that's 100% business use, and I always use actual expenses for it since the depreciation benefits were better in my situation. Then I have my personal car that never touches business stuff. Makes everything WAY cleaner for taxes and no more tracking mileage or worrying about personal/business percentages.
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QuantumQuest
ā¢Not everyone can afford to have a separate vehicle just for business though. That's a pretty big expense just to make taxes easier. How did you justify the cost of an entire extra car, insurance, registration, etc.?
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