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As someone who's been filing with a self-employed spouse for years, I'd add another consideration - if your husband's business had any losses this year, filing jointly allows those losses to offset your income, potentially reducing your overall tax bill even more. Also, don't forget about the Qualified Business Income deduction (Section 199A) which can be substantial for small business owners. Filing jointly often gives you a more favorable calculation for this deduction depending on your combined income levels.
That's a good point about business losses offsetting income! His business actually had a pretty good year, but there were some startup costs for new equipment. How exactly does the Qualified Business Income deduction work? Is that something we'd automatically get when filing jointly?
The QBI deduction generally gives you a deduction of up to 20% of your qualified business income, which can be significant! It's not automatic though - it has to be calculated on your return. For equipment purchases, those are usually handled through depreciation or Section 179 expensing, which allows you to deduct the full cost of qualifying equipment in the year it's purchased (up to certain limits). These deductions are available regardless of filing status, but when filing jointly, they can help reduce your combined tax liability. The benefit is that these business deductions can offset your income too, potentially putting you in a lower tax bracket together.
Does anyone know if filing status affects the self-employment tax? My husband pays a lot in SE tax for his construction business and we're trying to figure out if filing jointly or separately makes any difference there.
Did you file with any tax credits like EIC or ACTC? Those automatically delay processing until at least February 15th due to the PATH Act, even if you filed in January.
This is important info! So many people panic when they file early and don't see quick movement, not realizing certain credits trigger automatic delay periods.
Looks like we're in the same boat. I filed 1/26 and still stuck on "processing" with no 846 code. This is my first time filing with a Schedule C for my side gig, so I'm wondering if that's slowing things down? Anyone have experience with that?
Schedule C can definitely trigger additional scrutiny, especially if it's your first year filing one. Self-employment income gets reviewed more carefully since there's no employer verification like with W-2s. I'd give it at least 30 days before getting concerned.
I went down this rabbit hole last year when selling my business. Here's what my accountant (who doesn't sell either product) told me: monetized installment sales are specifically what the IRS targeted with Notice 2022-21, while DSTs are technically different but still high-risk. The key difference is that in a monetized installment sale, you're selling directly to the end buyer but getting a separate loan from a lender. In a DST, you're selling to a trust that then sells to the end buyer. The DST adds an extra layer that might avoid the specific issues in the IRS notice, but creates its own potential problems. He ultimately advised me against both and suggested a 1031 exchange into rental properties combined with opportunity zone investments for the portion that couldn't be exchanged. Ended up being less risky and actually gives me ongoing income.
But don't you lose flexibility with a 1031? I want to invest the proceeds in my new business venture, not just more real estate. Did your accountant discuss that limitation?
That's absolutely correct - 1031 exchanges definitely lock you into real estate investments, which was fine for my situation since I wanted passive income. For business investments, it wouldn't work. For investing in a new business venture, you might want to look into Qualified Small Business Stock (Section 1202) if you're setting up a C-Corp, or potentially an installment sale with a longer genuine payment period (without the monetization aspect that triggers IRS concerns). Both have limitations but might be less risky than DSTs or monetized installment sales. The right strategy really depends on your specific goals and risk tolerance.
Has anyone actually used either of these structures successfully? All I see online are promoters selling them or people warning against them, but never anybody who's actually done it and can speak to their experience several years later (after potential IRS audits).
I know someone who did a DST about 6 years ago. They're still getting payments from the trust and haven't been audited...yet. But they're constantly worried about it, especially with the increased IRS funding. Not sure the stress is worth it honestly.
Everyone is overlooking something important here - the timing could matter depending on what state you live in! Some states require your federal return to be fully processed before you can file state returns accurately. In California for example, if your federal amendment changes your AGI significantly, you'll need to amend your state return too. And filing your new year's state return with inconsistent prior year info can trigger automatic review. Before you decide, check your state's requirements for amendments and how they handle prior year references on current returns.
That's a great point I hadn't considered. We're in Michigan, and I'm not sure how strict they are about this. Do you know if Michigan has specific requirements about the timing of federal amendments and their impact on current year state returns?
Michigan is actually less strict than some states about this. They don't automatically require state amendments just because you amended federal (though you should if the changes affect Michigan taxable income). For your situation, Michigan won't flag your current return based on the prior year deduction method question alone. However, if your mortgage interest deduction relates to a Michigan property and affects your Michigan property tax credit, you'll want to make sure both years are consistent. I still recommend filing the amendment first or simultaneously with your current return, but Michigan isn't one of the states that will automatically reject or flag your current return over this specific issue.
I work at a tax firm and we handle this exact situation regularly. Here's what most preparers don't tell you: the IRS systems don't actually cross-reference your answer about last year's deduction method with their records before processing your current return. File your 2023 amendment and 2024 return simultaneously. On your 2024 return, answer according to what WILL be true after amendment (that you itemized in 2023). Keep a detailed note with your tax records explaining the situation and timing. In the extremely unlikely event you're ever questioned, this note shows you were being forthright and not attempting to misrepresent anything. What tax software are you using for 2024? Some handle this situation better than others.
Sofia Ramirez
Just a data point - I filed electronically through TurboTax on 2/6, accepted same day, and my direct deposit hit my account exactly 8 days later on 2/14. No special credits or deductions, just a pretty straightforward return with W-2 income. I think the simpler your return, the faster it processes in general.
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Dmitry Popov
ā¢Did your status on the Where's My Refund tool update to show "sent" before you actually received the deposit? My status has been on "approved" for 5 days now with no movement.
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Sofia Ramirez
ā¢Yes, my Where's My Refund status changed to "sent" about 24 hours before the money actually showed up in my account. From what I understand, once it shows "sent," it's basically just waiting for the banking system to process the deposit. If you've been stuck on "approved" for 5 days, that's a bit longer than typical, but not necessarily a problem. The IRS can sometimes batch process refunds on certain days of the week, so you might see movement soon. If it goes beyond 7 days at "approved" status, that might be when you want to consider checking if there's an issue.
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Ava Rodriguez
For what it's worth, I'm in the same boat - my federal was accepted on 2/10, and I'm still waiting for the deposit as of today (2/20). The Where's My Refund tool finally changed from "received" to "approved" yesterday, so hopefully I'll see the money by the end of the week. What's weird is my state refund was processed and deposited in just 4 days! Why can the state get it together but the feds take forever? So frustrating when you're counting on that money.
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Miguel Ortiz
ā¢States typically process much fewer returns than the IRS, which handles hundreds of millions. Also, the verification process for federal returns is usually more complex. Some states actually wait until your federal return is processed before they even start on your state return, so consider yourself lucky your state was faster!
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