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Luca Marino

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Just wanted to add something I learned the hard way - if you DO decide to file Form 1116, make sure you have all the correct information. Last year I claimed $8 in foreign tax and decided to file the form (before I knew about the $300 exception). I messed up some allocation on the form and ended up getting a letter from the IRS six months later asking for clarification. Nothing serious, but it was a headache to deal with for such a small amount.

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Did you end up having to amend your return or pay any penalties for the Form 1116 mistake? I'm leaning toward just not claiming the credit at all at this point.

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Luca Marino

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No penalties or amendments needed, thankfully. I just had to send in some additional documentation to clarify how I calculated the credit. But it was definitely an unnecessary hassle for $8! For your $1.99 credit, I absolutely wouldn't bother claiming it if it requires paying for software upgrades. Even beyond the immediate cost, the potential for questions or confusion just isn't worth it for such a small amount. The IRS certainly won't flag you for not claiming a credit you're entitled to - that's your choice.

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Nia Davis

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I'm using FreeTaxUSA this year after years with TurboTax, and Form 1116 is included in their regular price ($0 federal, $15 state). Might be worth looking into if you want to claim it. But honestly for $1.99, I'd just skip claiming it entirely.

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Mateo Perez

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FreeTaxUSA has been my go-to for years. So much cheaper than TurboTax and includes most forms. I've claimed foreign tax credit with them without issues.

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Thanks for the suggestion! I've been with TurboTax for so long I guess I just assumed all tax software had similar pricing tiers. I'll definitely check out FreeTaxUSA for next year. For now I think I'll just skip claiming the tiny credit since it's literally less than my lunch cost today lol.

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Pedro Sawyer

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13 Have you checked if any of your tax credits changed? I had something similar happen when I turned 25 and suddenly wasn't eligible for some education credits. Also, did you have any side income or unemployment at all? Even a small amount can change your refund pretty dramatically sometimes.

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Pedro Sawyer

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1 I didn't have any side income and I don't think I had any special credits before. I've always just taken the standard deduction since my situation is pretty simple. I did pick up more hours at work toward the end of the year but I didn't think that would affect things so much.

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Pedro Sawyer

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13 The additional hours actually might be a big part of it. If you earned significantly more in the last quarter of the year, the withholding system might not have adjusted properly. The system typically assumes you'll earn the same amount consistently throughout the year. Another thing to check is if you had any changes to your health insurance situation. If you started getting insurance through your employer or had marketplace coverage with premium tax credits, these can significantly impact your refund calculation.

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Pedro Sawyer

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9 Did you check if your filing status changed? Sometimes people accidentally select the wrong option (like going from Single to Head of Household or vice versa) and it dramatically changes the refund amount.

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Pedro Sawyer

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4 This is a good point. I've seen this happen with friends who didn't realize that just checking different boxes could change their refund by hundreds of dollars. Especially things like whether someone can claim you as a dependent.

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Brooklyn Foley

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Make sure you also consider state taxes! I did a one-time gig last year and completely forgot that I needed to pay state tax on the income too. Some states have different thresholds than federal for self-employment reporting.

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Sarah Ali

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Good point about state taxes! I'm in Illinois - do you know if they have any special rules for small amounts of self-employment income? I'm already stressing about the federal forms.

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Brooklyn Foley

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Illinois follows the federal guidelines pretty closely for self-employment income. They don't have a separate self-employment tax, but you do need to report that income on your IL-1040 form. The $842 will flow through to your state return once you've completed the Schedule C for your federal taxes. It's actually pretty straightforward on the state side compared to the federal requirements.

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Jay Lincoln

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Don't forget to check if you're required to make estimated tax payments next year! If you expect to owe more than $1000 in taxes when you file, you might need to make quarterly payments to avoid penalties.

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Jessica Suarez

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This is such overkill for a one-time payment under $1000. The tax system is ridiculous for small amounts. In other countries they make this so much easier!

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Sarah Ali

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Thanks for bringing this up! I don't plan on doing more freelance work this year, this was really just a favor for my cousin. Based on my regular tax situation I usually get a refund of about $800, so I'm guessing this small amount won't push me over that $1000 threshold?

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Ryan Kim

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One aspect nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're calculating the actual tax impact correctly. If your taxable income is increasing by $5, the tax difference isn't $5 - it's $5 multiplied by your marginal tax rate. So if you were in the 22% bracket, we're talking about $1.10 in additional tax. I filed late 8606 forms for 3 years after messing up my backdoor Roth process, and included a simple cover letter that said: "I recently became aware of the requirement to file Form 8606 to track nondeductible contributions to my traditional IRA. I am submitting these forms now to properly establish basis. As these contributions were nondeductible, no tax advantage was gained by the oversight." No penalties were assessed. The IRS has much bigger issues to worry about than people who are voluntarily correcting their returns for minimal or zero tax impact.

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Rajiv Kumar

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Thanks for pointing out the actual tax difference! I was thinking about the $5 of income, not the actual tax amount which would be even smaller. That makes me feel better about the situation. Did you send your late 8606 forms with an amended return or just on their own with the cover letter? I'm debating both approaches and trying to figure out the easiest way to handle this without triggering unnecessary scrutiny.

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Ryan Kim

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I sent the late 8606 forms on their own with just the cover letter since they didn't actually change my tax liability for those years. The 8606 forms were just establishing basis for future use. In your case, since you do have a small change to your actual tax liability for 2019, I'd probably file an amended return for that specific year along with all the 8606 forms and a comprehensive cover letter explaining both issues. The reality is that the IRS isn't going to launch an audit over a dollar and change, but it's still technically the correct way to handle it. And having everything documented properly will save headaches down the road if you ever need to reference your IRA basis.

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Zoe Walker

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Is no one going to mention that there's a "First Time Abatement" policy that the IRS typically grants for penalties if you have a clean compliance history? I had a similar situation last year and just called and asked for first time penalty abatement for the late 8606 forms, and they granted it immediately. Didn't even need a long explanation letter.

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Elijah Brown

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First Time Abatement is for failure-to-file and failure-to-pay penalties on returns, not specifically for the $50 penalty for late 8606 forms. Those are two different types of penalties. Are you sure that's what you received?

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GamerGirl99

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Just to add another perspective on the original question - I'm a bookkeeper and have helped several clients with this exact annuity issue. There's something called an "exclusion ratio" that determines how much of each payment is taxable vs. return of principal. If you know when the annuity was purchased and the total amount invested, you can calculate this yourself. The company that issued the 1099-R probably defaulted to showing the full amount as taxable because they don't have complete records of the original investment, especially if the annuity was purchased many years ago or transferred between companies.

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Keisha Thompson

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Thank you for mentioning the exclusion ratio! I think that's what I need to calculate. Do you happen to know which specific form or worksheet I should be using? My MIL's annuity was purchased about 12 years ago, and I do have the original paperwork showing the purchase amount.

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GamerGirl99

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You'll want to use the Simplified Method Worksheet, which you can find in the instructions for Form 1040. If her annuity started payments when she was between 65-69 years old, you would divide her total investment by 260 to get the amount of each payment that's considered return of principal. For example, if she invested $130,000 in the annuity, then $130,000 รท 260 = $500 of each payment would be tax-free return of principal. If she receives $800 monthly, then only $300 would be taxable as earnings. Keep track of this calculation each year because once she's recovered her full investment amount, all future payments become fully taxable.

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Has anyone used TurboTax to report this kind of situation? I have a similar issue with my own annuity and wondering if the software handles it correctly or if I need to override something.

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Isabella Costa

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I used TurboTax last year for my mom's taxes with an annuity. It asks you for the 1099-R information, then it has a section where you can enter the exclusion amount or indicate that it was purchased with after-tax dollars. It then walks you through the simplified method calculation. Worked fine for us.

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