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Just to add some practical advice to this thread - make sure you're using the right forms for your situation. You'll need Schedule C for the business losses, Form 4684 for casualty losses, and Form 5329 for the early distribution from your retirement account. Also, consider if you had this organized as a sole proprietorship or if you set up an LLC/corporation, as that affects how you'll report everything.
Would it be better to file as a Schedule C business loss or just take the casualty loss directly? Does it make a difference tax-wise? I'm in a sorta similar situation with my small side business.
You'll definitely want to file Schedule C to report all your business income and expenses, including the equipment that was destroyed. The casualty loss is reported on Form 4684, but since these were business assets, the loss ultimately flows to your Schedule C. Filing the business loss on Schedule C is generally more advantageous than taking a personal casualty loss because personal casualty losses are highly restricted under current tax law (only federally declared disasters qualify). Business casualty losses don't have these same limitations and can offset your other income.
Has anyone dealt with a similar situation where the business never actually generated any income before the disaster? I've heard the IRS might consider it a hobby rather than a business if you never made any money. Would that change how these losses can be deducted?
The key difference between a hobby and a business isn't whether you made money yet, but whether you had a reasonable expectation of making a profit and were operating it in a businesslike manner. Plenty of legitimate businesses have losses in their first year or even several years.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - double-check that your FUTA payments were applied to the correct tax periods when you made them through EFTPS. I had an issue where I made back payments but didn't properly designate the tax year, so they applied everything to the current year. This created a whole new headache because the system showed overpayment for the current year and still showed deficiencies for the prior years. Had to call and have them reallocate the payments to the correct periods.
Thanks for mentioning this! I'll double check my EFTPS payments right away. Did you have to do anything special to get them to reallocate the payments to the correct years?
You'll need to call the IRS Business Tax line and specifically request a payment transfer. Have your EFTPS confirmation numbers ready along with the dates of the payments and the tax periods they should be applied to. I found it helpful to prepare a simple spreadsheet showing the payment date, amount, confirmation number, and which tax period each payment should apply to. The agent I spoke with appreciated having all the information organized, and it made the process much smoother.
Just want to add that if you do get hit with penalties and decide to request abatement, make sure to explicitly state whether you're requesting "First Time Abatement" or "Reasonable Cause" relief. They're processed differently by the IRS. First Time Abatement is usually easier to get but only applies if you haven't had penalties in the prior 3 years. Reasonable Cause requires you to demonstrate why you couldn't comply despite using ordinary business care and prudence.
What's the best way to word a reasonable cause request? My situation was similar but I'm not eligible for first time abatement.
This exact thing happened to me! Here's what you need to do - in your tax software, you need to go back and make sure you're indicating that your Traditional IRA contribution is NON-DEDUCTIBLE. Most software has a specific question about this. If you don't mark it as non-deductible, the software assumes it's deductible, and then logically taxes you when you convert to Roth (since you'd be moving pre-tax money to a post-tax account). The key sequence matters too: 1. Enter Traditional IRA contribution 2. Mark it as NON-DEDUCTIBLE 3. Enter the Roth conversion If you do these in the wrong order in some software, it can mess up the 8606. I've been doing Backdoor Roth for 7 years and had this issue once when I switched tax software.
Thank you for the specific steps! This makes a lot of sense. I checked my tax software again and I think I discovered the issue - there's a specific question about "Do you qualify to deduct your IRA contributions?" that I must have answered incorrectly. Previous years I knew to say "No" but this year with the job change and severance, I might have clicked "Yes" by mistake. I'll try redoing those steps in the correct order. Would it also make sense to just delete all my IRA entries and start fresh with these steps in mind?
Yes, I'd recommend deleting all the IRA-related entries and starting fresh. That's the cleanest approach. Some tax software doesn't handle corrections well when it comes to the 8606 form. When you restart, just follow those steps in order. The key is definitely that "Do you qualify to deduct" question - that's the exact one that determines how the software handles everything downstream. Always answer "No" for a backdoor Roth strategy since the whole point is you're over the income limits for deductible contributions. And don't worry about the severance - it's just regular income. It doesn't change how backdoor Roth contributions work. The W-2 Box 13 check is typically for retirement plan participation at that employer, which is separate from your individual IRA strategy.
Has anyone else noticed that Backdoor Roth reporting seems to be getting more scrutiny from the IRS lately? I did mine the same way for years but got a letter asking for clarification on my 2022 return. Make absolutely sure your 8606 is filled out correctly.
I haven't heard about increased scrutiny, but I can tell you that reporting Backdoor Roth incorrectly is definitely a red flag. When your 1099-R shows a distribution (the conversion) but there's no corresponding basis tracking on Form 8606, it creates a mismatch that their systems can easily detect.
The same thing happened to me last week! My TurboTax status flipped back to pending after showing approved for days. I freaked out and thought my refund was being audited or something. Turned out it was just a TurboTax glitch. My refund still arrived exactly on the date the IRS site predicted. TurboTax's tracker never even updated back to the correct status before the money hit my account. Honestly their tracking system seems pretty unreliable during peak tax season.
Did you contact TurboTax customer support about it? I wonder if they even know their system is doing this to people and causing anxiety.
I did try reaching out to their customer service about it. Got a generic response saying "refund status is provided by the IRS and we recommend checking the IRS website for the most accurate information." Pretty much confirmed they know their tracker has issues but don't really do anything to fix it or warn users. The representative didn't seem surprised at all when I mentioned the status randomly changing, so I'm guessing they get these complaints all the time during tax season.
I work at a tax prep office (not TurboTax) and we see this ALL the time. Here's what's usually happening: The IRS updates their systems in batches, sometimes multiple times a day. TurboTax and other services pull data from the IRS but not continuously - they might only refresh every 24 hours or even less frequently during peak season. When statuses are changing rapidly (like when your refund is moving from approved to sent), these systems can get out of sync. The IRS "Where's My Refund" tool always has the most current information because you're checking directly with the source.
Caden Turner
Something everyone's missing - you should check if you can get your wage info from the Social Security Administration! They get wage reports from employers throughout the year. Create an account at ssa.gov and look at your earnings record. You might be able to see what was reported for last year. Also, if you know roughly what you made and what was withheld (from paystubs or bank deposits), you can estimate. The IRS is generally understanding in situations like this where the employer failed you. Document EVERYTHING though, especially your attempts to get the W-2.
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Sunny Wang
ā¢Thank you so much for this suggestion! I didn't know the SSA would have that information. Do they show the tax withholding amounts too or just the total income? And how quickly does that information get updated?
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Caden Turner
ā¢The SSA only shows your total earnings, not the withholding amounts. So it will help confirm your income, but you'll still need to estimate your federal and state tax withholding from the pay stubs you have. It typically gets updated a few months after the end of each quarter, so there might be some lag. But it's a good way to verify your total earnings when you don't have complete records. Even partial confirmation is better than nothing when you're filing a substitute W-2 form.
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McKenzie Shade
can't u just get the transcript from irs directly? go to irs.gov and make an account and request ur wage & income transcript. it has all the info from w2 and most 1099s submitted under ur SSN. i've used this before when my employer messed up.
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Harmony Love
ā¢This is definitely an option, but there can be a significant delay. W-2s aren't required to be filed with the IRS until January 31st, and then it takes time for them to be processed and appear in your transcript. If the company closed and never filed them at all (which sounds possible in OP's case), they won't show up at all.
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