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Does Money from Selling My Father-in-law's Home Count as Income for Tax Purposes?

My partner and I are trying to figure out the tax situation with my soon-to-be father-in-law. We've been financially supporting him for years, spending thousands each month beyond his $950 Social Security check that barely covers one week of his home care. Earlier this year, we had to sell his house because it was heading into foreclosure. The situation was complicated - he originally bought the place for $35,000 back in the day, paid off that first mortgage in 1996, but then took out a second loan for $25,000 a few years later. He refinanced to an interest-only loan with this massive balloon payment due at the end. After paying on this second loan for nearly 30 years at a ridiculous 11% interest rate, he somehow still owed over $30,000 when we sold, with $950 monthly payments that never touched the principal. We managed to sell the house for $85,000. After paying off the mortgage and closing costs, he walked away with about $48,000. My question is: what part of this money counts as income for tax purposes? Is it the full $85k sale price? Just the $48k he actually received? Or maybe just the difference between the sale price and what he originally paid (around $13k)? Or is none of it income since he's actually paid well over $150,000 in mortgage payments over the years? We were planning to claim him as a dependent before this house sale happened, but now I'm not sure if that's even possible. Any help figuring this out would be greatly appreciated!

Caleb Bell

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet about the home sale - make sure to check if your father-in-law qualifies for any medical expense deduction for improvements made to the house. If any modifications were made to accommodate a medical condition (wheelchair ramps, grab bars, etc.), those can sometimes be deducted as medical expenses if they weren't already used to increase the basis in the home. Also, regarding the support test for dependency - remember that medical expenses, including in-home care that you mentioned, count heavily toward the support calculation. Given how expensive that care is, it sounds like you're likely providing well over 50% of his total support even with the home sale proceeds.

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Donna Cline

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Thanks for mentioning this! We actually did install some grab bars and a walk-in shower about two years ago but I didn't think of that as something tax-related. About how much of his care costs would qualify toward the support test? The in-home aide costs around $4,200/month and we're paying for all of it.

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Caleb Bell

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The in-home care costs absolutely count toward the support test! If you're paying $4,200/month, that's over $50,000 per year just for that care, which is substantial. All of that would count toward your support calculation. For the medical modifications, if they were medically necessary (prescribed or recommended by a healthcare provider), they could potentially be deductible as medical expenses if you itemize deductions. However, these would need to exceed a certain percentage of your adjusted gross income along with other medical expenses to get any tax benefit. Alternatively, those costs could be added to the basis of the home if you didn't take the medical deduction, potentially reducing any taxable gain.

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I just helped my dad sell his home and deal with all this last year. The magic word here is "basis" - you need to figure out the adjusted basis of the home. Start with what he paid originally ($35k), then add the cost of any major improvements over the years (new roof? kitchen remodel? addition?). Those all increase basis. Then when you subtract that final basis number from the sale price, that's the gain. Like someone mentioned, he probably qualifies for the $250k exclusion if it was his primary residence for 2 of last 5 years, so likely no tax. One important thing nobody mentioned - get all this documented NOW while you have access to records. Future you will thank you if this ever comes up in an audit or if you need to sell another property and need to reference precedent.

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Rhett Bowman

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What counts as a "major improvement" versus just regular maintenance? Like if he replaced the water heater, does that count?

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Some advice on the mileage tracking - stop using that notebook ASAP! Get a mileage tracking app on your phone. I learned this the hard way when my paper log got coffee spilled on it and the IRS questioned my deductions. Most apps use GPS to automatically track your drives and let you classify them as business or personal. They generate reports you can use for taxes. Many are free for basic usage. Trust me, it's worth switching to digital!

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Thanks for the suggestion! Any specific apps you'd recommend? I'm definitely tired of trying to remember to write everything down, especially when I'm rushing between deliveries.

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I've been using MileIQ for about 2 years and it's been really reliable. Stride is another popular one that's completely free and also helps track other business expenses. Everlance is good too - it has a free tier that lets you track up to 30 trips per month. The key is finding one that runs in the background without killing your battery. Most will let you export your mileage log as a PDF or spreadsheet at tax time, which looks way more professional than a handwritten notebook if you ever get audited.

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I don't think anyone mentioned an important point - if you're using your car for a delivery job, you're probably an independent contractor (1099 worker), not an employee. This means: 1. No taxes are withheld from your pay 2. You'll need to pay self-employment tax (15.3%) 3. You might need to make quarterly estimated tax payments Deducting your mileage and other business expenses is critical because it reduces your taxable income and therefore your tax bill!

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This!!! I learned this the hard way my first year delivering. Didn't make quarterly payments and got hit with a penalty. The mileage deduction saved me though - turned a $3200 tax bill into about $850.

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Wait, I think I might be confused now. My boss gives me cash at the end of each shift plus I keep the tips. He's never mentioned anything about a 1099 or being a contractor. Does that mean I'm an employee? How do I figure this out?

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Just to add to what others have said - make sure you're meeting the "qualifying child" or "qualifying relative" tests for dependency. For your niece, she'd likely be a qualifying relative if: 1. You provided more than half her support 2. Her income was less than $4,400 for 2023 3. She lived with you all year For the baby, even though you're not the parent, you can still claim the baby as a qualifying child if: - The baby lived with you for more than half the year - You provided more than half the support - The baby is related to you (your niece's child would be your great-niece/nephew) The tiebreaker rules only come into play when multiple people COULD claim the dependent. Since it sounds like the father doesn't meet the support test, he shouldn't be claiming the child at all.

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Ava Thompson

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Thanks for breaking this down! Yes, my niece had almost no income in 2023 (less than $2,000 from a part-time job that didn't last). And for the baby, they both lived with me from birth in November through the entire year, and I provided well over 90% of all support. The father only lived there briefly and contributed almost nothing financially. Would bank statements showing I paid for diapers, formula, doctor visits, etc. be good evidence? And what about proof that they lived with me - would utility bills showing my address be enough?

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Bank statements showing purchases of baby supplies and medical expenses would be excellent evidence. For proving they lived with you, utility bills are helpful, but even better would be: Medical records showing your address for the baby's appointments Any official documents like the birth certificate that might show your address Statements from doctors, childcare providers, or even neighbors confirming they lived with you Letters from social services or benefits offices if any benefits were received at your address The more documentation the better, but focus on official documents when possible. Also, if you can show that the father's address was different during most of this period, that would further strengthen your case.

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Quick tip - when you file your return claiming the baby, you'll have to file a paper return with the letter and documentation, not e-file. The IRS system will automatically reject an e-filed return with a dependent SSN that's already been claimed on another return.

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Actually this isn't completely true anymore. With the new IRS systems, sometimes you CAN e-file even with a duplicate SSN claim. The system will accept it but flag it for review. A friend of mine was able to do this last year rather than paper filing.

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Just to add another perspective on QBI - remember that if your taxable income is below the thresholds mentioned above, the calculation becomes MUCH simpler. You just take 20% of your qualified business income without worrying about all the W-2 wage limitations or specified service business rules. Also, many states don't conform to the federal QBI deduction rules, so don't assume you get the same benefit on your state taxes. Here in California, for example, we don't get the QBI deduction at all on our state returns.

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Ana Rusula

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What about retirement contributions? Do those reduce your qualified business income? I contribute to a SEP IRA and I'm wondering if that affects my QBI calculation.

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Retirement contributions like SEP IRA, Solo 401(k), or SIMPLE IRA contributions do not directly reduce your QBI. These deductions are taken "above the line" on your personal tax return, but QBI is calculated at the business level before these personal deductions. However, retirement contributions do lower your overall taxable income, which can be beneficial if you're near the QBI phase-out thresholds. By reducing your taxable income through retirement contributions, you might avoid or reduce the phase-out limitations on your QBI deduction, potentially making more of your business income eligible for the full 20% deduction.

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Fidel Carson

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Anyone else confused about how to handle the QBI deduction with multiple businesses? I have a consulting LLC (which is an SSTB) and a separate rental property LLC. Do I aggregate them or keep them separate for QBI? Using TurboTax and it's super unclear.

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Generally, you'd want to keep them separate since the SSTB limitations would only apply to your consulting business. If you aggregated them, your rental income might get caught in the SSTB limitations. The regulations allow aggregation in certain cases but don't require it.

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Ellie Kim

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22 Make sure you're keeping ALL your receipts for anything remotely related to your business! I learned the hard way that you can deduct things like: - Portion of internet/phone if used for business - Home office space if used regularly and exclusively for business - Shipping materials - Website hosting - Advertising costs Also track mileage if you're driving to post office or buy supplies. The IRS loves documentation so save everything!

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Ellie Kim

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17 Quick question - for the home office deduction, does it matter if the space is also sometimes used for other things? Like, I have a desk where I package all my items, but sometimes my kids do homework there too.

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Ellie Kim

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22 For the home office deduction, the space needs to be used "regularly and exclusively" for business purposes to qualify. If your kids are doing homework at the same desk, unfortunately that area wouldn't qualify for the deduction since it's not exclusively business use. However, you might be able to claim a portion of your utilities, internet, and phone as business expenses based on the percentage used for business activities without taking the formal home office deduction. Just make sure you can reasonably justify the business percentage you're claiming if ever questioned.

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Ellie Kim

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2 anyone know if theres a minimum amount before u need to report this kinda stuff? like what if u only made like $500 selling things online? do u still gotta do all this tax stuff??

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Ellie Kim

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5 Technically, the IRS requires you to report ALL income, regardless of the amount. There's no minimum threshold for self-employment income. If you earned $500 from your side business, you should report it. That said, self-employment tax (Social Security and Medicare) only kicks in when your net earnings are $400 or more. But income tax could still apply to amounts less than that, depending on your overall tax situation.

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