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Just a quick tip - if all else fails, you can always print and mail your return. I know it's old school, but sometimes it's the easiest solution when dealing with electronic filing issues.
I went through this exact same nightmare last year! The confusion between IP PINs and self-selected PINs is so frustrating because the IRS and tax software companies don't explain the difference clearly. Here's what I learned: Your 6-digit IP PIN is correct and you DO need to use it when filing. But that 5-digit PIN your software is asking for is probably the self-selected PIN you created when you first set up your account with that tax software (sometimes called an e-file PIN). Check your email from when you first registered - you might have created a 5-digit PIN back then. For the AGI issue, definitely use the transcript amount ($58,750). The IRS makes adjustments during processing that create differences between your filed return and their records. When they ask for "prior year AGI" for verification, they want what's in their system, not what's on your paper copy. One more tip - if your software keeps rejecting the IP PIN, make sure you're entering it in the right field. Some software has separate fields for "Identity Protection PIN" and "Electronic Filing PIN" and people mix them up all the time.
This is super helpful! I'm dealing with the same confusion right now. Quick question - if I can't find that original email where I created the self-selected PIN, is there a way to reset it through the tax software? Or do I need to create a completely new account? I've been going in circles trying to figure out which 5-digit number they want and I'm running out of time before the deadline.
I actually went through this exact situation last month! What helped me was creating a simple system before my next donation trip. I took photos of everything laid out by category (shirts, pants, household items, etc.) and made notes about the condition of each item while packing. When I got to Goodwill, I asked them to write the total number of bags/boxes on the receipt, which gave me a better reference point. Then I used their online valuation guide to assign reasonable values - I was conservative and probably underestimated rather than overestimated. One thing I learned is that you should definitely keep doing this throughout the year rather than trying to remember everything at tax time. I started a simple note in my phone where I jot down what I donated and approximate values right after each trip. Makes the whole process much less stressful when April comes around! The key is being honest and reasonable with your valuations. The IRS isn't looking to catch people making good faith efforts to properly document legitimate donations.
That's a really smart approach! I like the idea of taking photos by category - that would make it so much easier to itemize everything later. Do you find that Goodwill staff are usually willing to write the number of bags/boxes on the receipt? I've been hesitant to ask for anything beyond the basic receipt since they always seem so busy, but having that reference point would definitely help with organization. Also, keeping notes in your phone right after donating is brilliant. I always tell myself I'll remember what I donated, but then three months later I'm staring at a blank receipt trying to recall if I brought two bags or three bags of clothes!
Most Goodwill locations are actually pretty accommodating about adding the bag count to the receipt! I've found that if you mention it's for tax documentation purposes, they're usually happy to help. The staff understand that people need proper records for donations. Just ask politely when you're dropping off - something like "Could you please note that this is 3 bags on the receipt for my tax records?" And yes, definitely start that phone note system now! I used to think I'd remember everything too, but honestly even remembering whether it was winter clothes or summer clothes gets fuzzy after a few months. Now I have a running note for the whole year that just says things like "2/15 - Goodwill - 2 bags winter clothes, 1 box kitchen items, est. $85 total." Takes 30 seconds but saves so much hassle later!
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of keeping your donation records for at least 3 years after filing your tax return (or longer if you have significant donations). The IRS can audit returns within this timeframe, so you want to make sure all your documentation is easily accessible. I learned this the hard way when I got selected for a random audit two years ago. Fortunately I had kept all my Goodwill receipts and photos, but I had to scramble to recreate some of my itemized lists because I hadn't saved them properly. The auditor was actually impressed with the level of documentation I had for my donations compared to some other deductions. Another tip: if you're donating items worth more than $500 total for the year, you'll need to file Form 8283 with your return. This form requires more detailed information about each donation, including the method you used to determine fair market value. So keeping good records throughout the year becomes even more important once you cross that threshold. For anyone just starting to track donations, I'd recommend treating it like any other important financial record - organized, detailed, and safely stored both physically and digitally.
This is such valuable advice about record keeping! I never thought about the audit timeline - definitely going to start saving everything more systematically now. Quick question about Form 8283: does that $500 threshold apply to individual donations or cumulative donations for the year? Like if I make several smaller Goodwill trips that add up to over $500 total, do I still need the form? Also, when you went through the audit, did they accept your photo documentation pretty readily, or did they ask for additional verification? I'm trying to figure out how detailed my photo records need to be - like do I need to photograph every single item individually or are group shots of donation bags sufficient?
Has anyone tried just using the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator online? It's supposed to handle all these complicated situations but when I input our info (very similar to yours - W2 income plus self-employment), it gave me a completely different number than what the worksheet method showed. Now I don't know which one to trust!
I've used the IRS Withholding Estimator for our mixed income situation and found it actually works pretty well. The key is making sure you have very accurate estimates of ALL income and deductions. If you're even a little off on the self-employment income estimate or don't account for all your deductions, the recommended withholding can be way off.
I went through this exact same situation last year and it was such a headache! After trying multiple approaches, here's what ended up working best for us: The key thing I learned is that you need to be really careful about which "income" number you're using. Don't just put his gross $145k on line 4(a) - you need his NET self-employment income (after business deductions) MINUS the self-employment tax deduction. Here's the process that worked for me: 1. Estimate his net profit after business expenses 2. Calculate SE tax (net profit Ć 0.9235 Ć 0.153) 3. The deductible portion is half of that SE tax 4. Subtract that deduction from his net profit 5. THAT number goes on line 4(a) Also, don't forget about the child tax credit on Step 3 - with three qualifying kids, that's $6,000 in credits that will reduce your tax liability significantly. I'd recommend running your numbers through the IRS Withholding Estimator AND doing the manual worksheet calculation to double-check. If they're close, you're probably on the right track. If they're way different, dig deeper into which estimates might be off. The peace of mind is worth the extra effort to get it right!
This is really helpful, thank you for breaking down the step-by-step process! I'm a bit confused about one part though - when you say "net profit after business expenses," are you referring to what would go on Schedule C line 31, or is there another calculation I should be doing? Also, for the self-employment tax calculation, is the 0.9235 factor always the same regardless of income level? I want to make sure I'm not missing any nuances since this is my first time dealing with SE income on the W-4.
In my experience working for a payroll company (not Paychex), this sounds like Paychex is following standard protocol for closed businesses. They likely need specific authorization from the former business owners to release anything. Have you tried asking your former employer if they would be willing to provide you with a signed authorization letter that you could then forward to Paychex? Sometimes a direct request from the employee with proper authorization can break through the bureaucracy.
I went through this exact situation last year with a different payroll company. Here's what finally worked for me: Contact the IRS Taxpayer Advocate Service - they're specifically designed to help when you're stuck between third parties like this. You can reach them at 1-877-777-4778 or file Form 911. They have the authority to intervene directly with payroll companies on behalf of taxpayers. In my case, the Taxpayer Advocate contacted the payroll company within 48 hours and had my W-2 released within a week. They told me that payroll companies are legally required to provide W-2s to employees regardless of business ownership changes - Paychex is just being difficult because they want to avoid any potential liability. The key is explaining that you've made reasonable efforts to get the document through normal channels and that the deadline is approaching. The Taxpayer Advocate Service is free and they're really good at cutting through this kind of bureaucratic nonsense. Don't wait too long though - if you're close to the deadline and this doesn't work quickly, go with the Form 4852 substitute approach others mentioned. You can always amend later when you get the actual W-2.
This is incredibly helpful! I had no idea the Taxpayer Advocate Service could intervene with payroll companies like this. I've been dealing with a similar situation for weeks and getting nowhere with the standard channels. Quick question - when you contacted them, did you need to provide any specific documentation showing your attempts to get the W-2, or was a verbal explanation of the situation sufficient? I'm worried they might want formal proof of all my phone calls and emails before they'll take action. Also, did they give you any kind of case number or timeline when you first contacted them? I want to make sure I understand the process before I call.
CaptainAwesome
Has anyone actually tried a cost segregation study for a smaller rental property renovation? I've heard they're usually only worth it for properties worth $500k+ but wondering if it makes sense for a $15-20k remodel?
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Yuki Tanaka
ā¢I did one last year for a $40k kitchen and bathroom remodel. Cost me about $2,500 for the study, but it identified nearly $18k in components that could be depreciated over 5 or 15 years instead of 27.5. The tax savings in the first year alone more than paid for the study. For a $15k remodel, the math might be tighter, but if you plan to hold the property long-term, it could still be worth it. Some tax professionals now offer "light" cost segregation services for smaller projects at a lower price point.
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CaptainAwesome
ā¢Thanks, that's helpful context. Maybe I'll ask around for those "light" cost segregation services. The property is definitely a long-term hold for me, so accelerating even some of the depreciation would be beneficial. Do you remember roughly what percentage of your renovation costs ended up being reclassified from 27.5-year to shorter depreciation periods? Just trying to get a ballpark of what might be realistic for my situation.
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Yara Assad
Great question about cost segregation for smaller renovations! I had a similar situation with a $22k rental property remodel last year. I ended up going with a "component method" approach instead of a full cost segregation study, which was much more cost-effective. Basically, I worked with my tax preparer to manually identify and separate out the personal property items (appliances, removable fixtures, etc.) from the structural improvements. We were able to reclassify about 35-40% of the total renovation costs to 5, 7, and 15-year property instead of 27.5-year. The key was having detailed invoices that broke everything down by component - sounds like you're already set up well for this with your contractor's detailed billing. Items like your kitchen appliances, some plumbing fixtures, flooring, and even things like closet systems often qualify for shorter depreciation schedules. For a $15k project, I'd suggest starting with the component method before investing in a formal cost segregation study. You might be surprised how much you can accelerate just by properly categorizing the obvious personal property items!
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Liam McConnell
ā¢This component method approach sounds really practical! I'm a complete newcomer to rental property taxes and this whole thread has been incredibly helpful. One thing I'm still confused about though - when you say you reclassified 35-40% of costs to shorter depreciation schedules, does that mean you get to deduct more in the first few years, or does it actually increase your total deductions over time? I'm trying to understand if this is just about timing of deductions or if there's an actual tax savings benefit beyond the time value of money.
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