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Tony Brooks
Has anyone successfully used Form 8802/6166 to get a FULL refund of withheld Japanese taxes rather than just reducing future withholding? My Japanese client has been withholding at 10.21% for the past 6 months and I just learned about this form. Can I get back what they've already withheld?
Tony Brooks
ā¢Thanks so much for this information! I had no idea there was a separate process for getting refunds from the Japanese tax authority. Do you happen to know if there's a time limit for requesting these refunds? I've been dealing with this withholding for almost two years now.
Yes, there is a time limit! For Japanese tax refunds, you generally have 5 years from the end of the tax year when the withholding occurred to file for a refund. So if withholding happened in 2023, you'd have until the end of 2028 to apply. However, I'd recommend acting sooner rather than later because the Japanese National Tax Agency sometimes requires additional documentation that can take time to gather. Also, exchange rates can affect the refund amount you receive, so timing can impact your actual dollar recovery. Make sure to keep detailed records of all payments and withholding amounts - you'll need these for the Japanese refund application along with your Form 6166 from the IRS.
Omar Farouk
Just wanted to add a practical tip for anyone going through this process - make sure to coordinate the timing of your Form 8802 application with your Japanese client's payment schedule. I made the mistake of getting my Form 6166 right after my client had already processed their quarterly withholding calculations. Even though I provided the certification immediately, they couldn't adjust the withholding rate until their next quarterly period, which meant I still had to deal with over-withholding for another 3 months. Now I plan ahead and submit my Form 8802 application in November/December so I have my Form 6166 ready for the new tax year. This way my Japanese client can implement the reduced withholding rate (usually 0-5% instead of 10.21%) from January 1st. Also, don't forget to file Form 1116 (Foreign Tax Credit) on your US return for any taxes that were withheld, even at the reduced rate. You can claim a credit for the actual amount withheld, which helps avoid double taxation.
This is really helpful timing advice! I wish I had known about coordinating with quarterly periods earlier. Quick question - when you mention filing Form 1116 for the Foreign Tax Credit, does this apply even if I successfully get the withholding reduced to 0% through the treaty? Or is Form 1116 only needed when there's still some withholding happening at the reduced rate? Also, for anyone else reading this, does the timing coordination work the same way with other countries, or is the quarterly adjustment period specific to how Japanese companies handle their tax withholding?
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Ben Cooper
I see people on TikTok still claiming to get early deposits, but I think they're just recycling content from previous years to get views. Literally everyone I know personally has gotten their refund exactly on DDD date this year.
Facts šÆ So many TikTok tax "experts" posting outdated or straight up false info for clout
They're doing the same thing on YouTube. All those "GET YOUR REFUND EARLY" videos from January were completely wrong this year.
QuantumQuest
This is super helpful info! I was going crazy wondering why my refund wasn't coming early like last year. Filed in February and my DDD is tomorrow - now I know to expect it exactly then instead of checking my account obsessively starting 5 days ago š The IRS really should have communicated this change better to taxpayers. Would have saved a lot of stress and confusion!
Totally agree about the communication! As someone new to filing taxes, I had no idea this change happened and was stressing out thinking something was wrong with my return. Would have been nice to get some kind of heads up from the IRS about this new system. At least now I know what to expect for next year!
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Mei Chen
Pro tip: if you're having trouble with the CA FTB website, try calling their automated refund hotline at 1-800-338-0505. It's usually faster than the website and gives you the same info. You can also set up text alerts so they'll notify you when your refund is processed. Good luck!
Amina Diallo
ā¢This is super helpful! I didn't know about the text alerts feature. Definitely going to set that up for next year. Thanks for sharing the phone number too - way better than waiting for websites to load š
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Yara Sayegh
TC570 gang checking in! šāāļø Got mine yesterday and honestly went through all the stages of grief in about 10 minutes lol. First time dealing with this code and the uncertainty is brutal. Really appreciate everyone sharing their timelines and experiences - it's so reassuring to know this is actually pretty normal and not some catastrophic error on my part. The waiting game is rough but sounds like most people do get resolution eventually. Definitely going to check out that taxr.ai tool since I'd rather have actual information than keep googling "TC570" every hour and scaring myself with worst case scenarios. Thanks for creating this space where we can all stress together! š
Right there with you! š¤ Just got my TC570 this morning and went straight into panic mode until I found this thread. The "stages of grief" comment is so accurate - I definitely went from denial to anger to bargaining in record time š It's wild how something as simple as a three-digit code can send us all into a spiral, but honestly this community is a lifesaver. Everyone sharing their timelines and experiences makes this so much less scary. Definitely going to try that taxr.ai tool too since I'm already tired of obsessively googling and getting conflicting information. Here's hoping we all get our 571 codes soon and can move on from this stress! Thanks for keeping it real about the emotional rollercoaster - makes me feel way less crazy about my reaction lol
TC570 crew unite! šŖ Just joined the club this morning and honestly feeling so much better after reading everyone's stories here. Was spiraling hard when I first saw that code pop up - thought for sure I'd messed something up majorly on my return. But seeing all these timelines and knowing it's just a normal review process is such a relief. The anxiety is still there but way more manageable now. Really grateful for everyone being so open about their experiences and wait times. Definitely going to check out that taxr.ai tool since I'm already getting tired of trying to decode these transcript mysteries on my own. Here's to hoping we all get through this waiting period quickly and can celebrate our 571 codes together! š¤
Alice Fleming
Anyone else notice that property tax assessments after inheritance can get really messed up? After inheriting my grandmother's house, the county somehow flagged it and reassessed the value WAY higher than even the market value. Had to file an appeal with the county assessor's office and provide the professional appraisal from when she died. Just a heads up to check your property tax statements carefully after inheriting - could save you thousands!
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Hassan Khoury
ā¢Omg this happened to me too! The county jumped our assessment by 78% after my dad passed and it took 6 months to get it corrected. Did you have to pay the higher amount while waiting for the appeal?
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Layla Mendes
This is such a complex situation! I went through something similar with my aunt's property last year. One thing I learned the hard way is that you'll also want to consider the timing of your sale carefully. If you're planning to sell within the next few months, make sure you have all your documentation ready - the estate appraisal, any rental income records, receipts for improvements or repairs, and depreciation calculations. Also, don't forget about state taxes! Oregon doesn't have a capital gains exclusion like some states do, so you'll owe Oregon state tax on any gains in addition to federal. The good news is that Oregon generally follows federal rules for the stepped-up basis. One more tip - if you haven't already, consider getting a current appraisal before listing. Sometimes the estate appraisal from a year ago might not reflect current market conditions accurately, and you want to make sure you're pricing it right. Plus, if property values have actually decreased in your area since the inheritance, that could affect your tax calculation too. Managing out-of-state rental property is definitely a hassle - I totally get wanting to sell and simplify things!
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Keisha Taylor
ā¢This is really comprehensive advice, thanks! I hadn't even thought about the potential for property values to have decreased since the inheritance - that's a good point about getting a current appraisal. Quick question about Oregon state taxes - do you know if they have any special rules for inherited property, or do they just follow the federal stepped-up basis completely? I want to make sure I'm not missing anything state-specific that could affect my planning. Also, you mentioned timing the sale carefully - is there any advantage to waiting until I've owned it for a full year, or does that not matter for inherited property since I got the stepped-up basis anyway?
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