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Javier Cruz

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The issue is 100% a software problem. Health insurance for partners reported as guaranteed payments reduces QBI at the partnership level. The software is making a second reduction at the individual level, which is incorrect. If you don't want to override, another approach is to NOT report the health insurance as a guaranteed payment on the 1065, and instead just show it as a footnote on the K-1 and have the partner deduct it on their 1040. This isn't technically correct per IRS instructions, but effectively gets the right QBI result. But honestly, just overriding the software calculation is cleaner.

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Wouldn't the approach of not reporting as a guaranteed payment cause other issues though? Like wouldn't it mess up the partner's self-employment tax calculation? The guaranteed payment affects both SE tax and QBI.

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Javier Cruz

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You're absolutely right - that workaround would indeed cause SE tax issues by understating the guaranteed payments subject to self-employment tax. I shouldn't have suggested that approach. The correct method is definitely to report the health insurance as a guaranteed payment on the 1065 and then override the QBI calculation on the 1040 to prevent the double reduction. It's frustrating that we have to manually fix software issues, but at least it's a straightforward override.

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Joy Olmedo

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This is such a widespread issue this filing season! I'm seeing it across multiple software platforms - UltraTax, ProSeries, Drake, and others all had similar bugs with the QBI calculations for partnership health insurance. What's really frustrating is that the software companies seem to understand the S Corp treatment (health insurance in W-2 wages shouldn't reduce QBI again on the individual return) but haven't applied the same logic to partnerships. The concept is identical - the guaranteed payment for health insurance already reduces QBI at the partnership level. For anyone still dealing with this, I'd strongly recommend documenting your override with a detailed workpaper. Include references to Reg. Sec. 1.199A-3(b)(1)(vi) and note that the guaranteed payment has already reduced QBI at the entity level. The IRS guidance is pretty clear on this point, even if the software implementation has been problematic. Has anyone heard if the major software companies have committed to fixing this for next filing season? It seems like such a basic issue that affects so many partnership returns.

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Steven Adams

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I'm in a similar situation - got the call from the IRS yesterday and they mentioned the 5747C letter is coming. Reading through everyone's experiences here is really helpful! It sounds like there's no getting around the in-person appointment, which is frustrating but at least now I know what to expect. I'm particularly concerned about the wait times for appointments since I need to get this resolved quickly. Has anyone had success calling first thing in the morning to get through to schedule faster? Also wondering if all TAC locations have similar wait times or if some are better than others in terms of availability.

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From my experience, calling right when they open (7am local time) definitely helps with getting through faster! I had much better luck with suburban TAC locations versus downtown ones - they tend to have more appointment availability. You might want to check if there are multiple locations within driving distance and call a few different ones to compare availability. Also, if you're flexible with timing, mid-week appointments (Tuesday-Thursday) seemed to have shorter wait times than Mondays or Fridays when I was scheduling mine.

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Max Knight

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Just wanted to add my perspective as someone who went through this process recently. The 5747C verification is definitely in-person only - no exceptions. What helped me was being super organized beforehand. I made a checklist of all required documents from the letter and gathered everything the night before my appointment. Also, I'd recommend bringing a book or something to do while you wait, even with an appointment there can still be delays. The IRS agents are actually pretty helpful once you get in there, and they'll walk you through exactly what they need to verify. One thing that surprised me was how quickly my case moved forward after verification - got my refund about 10 days later. The inconvenience is real, but the actual process isn't as scary as it seems from all the horror stories online!

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Simon White

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Thanks for sharing your experience! I'm new to dealing with the IRS and this whole process seems overwhelming. Your point about bringing something to do while waiting is really practical - I hadn't thought of that. Did you have to bring original documents or were copies acceptable? I'm worried about bringing my only copy of certain forms and something happening to them. Also, when you say 10 days for the refund, was that from the date of your appointment or from when they confirmed your verification was processed?

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Mei Chen

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Pro tip: check your transcript instead of WMR. Its more accurate and updates faster. You can pull it on irs.gov if you make an account

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this!! transcripts never lie

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Andre Dubois

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Don't stress too much! I filed around the same time last year and it took almost a week before WMR updated. The IRS processing centers are slammed right now with early filers. As long as you got the transmission confirmation from TurboTax, you're good. The system just needs time to catch up. If you're really anxious, try checking your transcript like others mentioned - it usually shows acceptance before WMR does.

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Help understanding Negative Tax Basis on my K-1 - CPA disagreement

So I'm in this business venture that's basically running on one member's investment at this point. We have expenses but no actual income yet. For years, our old CPA divided losses/deductions among partners based on ownership percentages. Pretty straightforward, right? Well, we switched to a new CPA who's saying that was all wrong. Apparently, only partners who actually put money into the company can claim those losses? I'm so confused about this. For my 2024 taxes, I got a Schedule K-1 showing negative beginning AND ending capital accounts. The only difference between the two numbers is a small contribution I made this year. According to the new CPA, this negative number represents all the losses I was previously assigned, minus my tiny contribution this year. Here's what's weird - in previous years (with the old CPA), my tax returns only deducted the reported Box 14 Losses (Self employment earnings loss). Box 13 said "STMT" and the attached supplemental info page listed Line 13 Other Deductions (Loss) with Code J. But this negative capital account figure seems to include those numbers too. So it looks like I'm being assigned losses I never actually deducted? The negative capital account section also has additional information but I'm completely lost on what this means for my taxes. Can someone help me understand the implications of having a negative tax basis? Is the new CPA right about how losses should be allocated?

I think what's happening is your old CPA was allocating losses based on the partnership agreement (by ownership %), but the new CPA is saying this violates the "economic effect" rules in Section 704(b). Basically, for loss allocations to be respected, they need to have "substantial economic effect" - meaning the partner who takes the tax loss should bear the economic burden of that loss. If one partner is funding everything, they may be entitled to more losses regardless of ownership %. This is super complex territory that even experienced CPAs get wrong. The new CPA might be right technically, but it creates a mess when changing approaches midstream. You need someone to prepare a complete basis schedule from inception to present to sort this out properly.

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This is a really complex situation that highlights why partnership taxation is so tricky. Based on what you've described, it sounds like you're caught between two different approaches to loss allocation - one based purely on ownership percentages, and another based on economic risk. The key issue here is that partnership tax law requires loss allocations to have "substantial economic effect" under Section 704(b). This means the partner claiming the loss should actually bear the economic burden if the partnership fails. If one member is funding most operations while others take equal loss allocations, that can create problems. Your negative capital account might actually be less concerning than it appears. What really matters for your ability to deduct losses is your "outside basis" - which includes your capital contributions plus your share of partnership liabilities. Even with a negative capital account, you might still have positive basis if the partnership has debt allocated to you. A few questions that might help clarify your situation: - Does the partnership have any loans or debt that would be allocated among partners? - What does your partnership agreement say about loss allocation and capital account maintenance? - Are there any guarantee provisions or deficit restoration requirements? Given the complexity and the fact that you're getting conflicting advice from CPAs, you might want to consider getting a third opinion from someone who specializes in partnership taxation. The difference between the two approaches could have significant implications for both current and prior year returns.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed explanation I needed! Thank you for breaking down the "substantial economic effect" concept - that really helps me understand why the two CPAs are taking different approaches. To answer your questions: - The partnership does have some business loans, but I'm not sure how they're allocated among partners or if I'm personally liable for any portion - Our partnership agreement is pretty basic and just says losses are allocated by ownership percentage, but doesn't mention anything about deficit restoration or guarantees - I don't think there are any guarantee provisions, but I'd need to double-check the actual agreement Your point about outside basis vs capital account is really helpful. I'm going to ask the new CPA specifically about my outside basis calculation and whether partnership liabilities affect it. It sounds like I need to get a complete basis worksheet prepared from the beginning to really understand where I stand. Do you think it's worth having the partnership agreement reviewed to see if it needs amendments for proper loss allocation going forward?

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Cycle 05 with $3,388 Refund Pending - 2024 Return Processed 2/24 But No DD Yet - Transcript Shows EIC and Withholding

Filed my 2024 taxes early and got a cycle code 05 (20250605). My transcripts are showing similar dates to previous years when I got my direct deposit on 2/15 or 2/22, but no update today. I checked my transcript carefully and it shows a lot of detailed information that's making me worried. According to my Record of Account from the IRS website, my return was processed on Feb. 24, 2025 with an account balance of -$3,388.00. The transcript shows I filed as Head of Household with 03 exemptions. My Adjusted Gross Income is $49,783.00 with taxable income of $27,883.00. Tax per return shows $514.00, and I have $0.00 in self-employment tax (both taxpayer and spouse sections show $0.00 for SE taxable income, with total self-employment tax of $0.00). The transaction section of my transcript shows: CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION CYCLE DATE AMOUNT 150 20250605 02-24-2025 $514.00 806 W-2 or 1099 withholding 04-15-2025 -$2,640.00 768 Earned income credit 04-16-2025 -$1,262.00 My return due date (or return received date, whichever is later) is listed as Apr. 15, 2025, with a processing date of Feb. 24, 2025. The transcript also confirms I have no accrued interest or penalties as of Mar. 03, 2025. My total account balance is -$3,388.00 (this includes the credit amounts). I'm confused because with my cycle code 05 (20250605) and processing date of Feb. 24, I should have seen movement on my refund by now based on previous years' experiences when I received my direct deposit around 2/15 or 2/22. The IRS website says my refund is still being processed. Anyone else in the same boat with similar dates and cycle codes seeing no movement on their refund yet? Is the 05 cycle code working differently this year? I'm starting to get anxious since I was counting on this money.

QuantumQuest

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Called the IRS and sat on hold for 2 hours just to be told to wait 21 days... like thanks for nothing 🤮

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Connor Murphy

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rookie mistake lol never call them before 21 days

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Adaline Wong

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I'm in a similar situation with cycle 05 and feeling the same anxiety! Filed early February and my transcript shows processing date of 2/26 but still no movement. The waiting is killing me too, especially when you're counting on that money. One thing I noticed from your transcript details - your refund amount is actually $3,388, not $2,388 like someone mentioned earlier. The math checks out: $2,640 withholding + $1,262 EIC - $514 tax = $3,388 total refund. Since you have EIC, the PATH Act requires them to hold refunds until at least February 15th, and with processing backlogs it can take even longer. Your cycle 05 means weekly updates, so definitely check your transcript again this Friday. Hang in there - based on what others are saying, movement should happen soon! The fact that your transcript shows all the right codes and no errors is a good sign.

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