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New to US Tax System - Why Do I Need to Fill Out W9 Form for Joint Bank Account?

Hey everyone, I'm completely new to the US tax system and feeling a bit lost with what seems like a simple question compared to some complex situations I've read here. But seriously, couldn't the US make this tax stuff a little more straightforward? I recently got added to my spouse's bank account as a joint holder, which is different from how we handle joint accounts where I'm from. The bank set it up so I can build my own banking history even though it's connected to my spouse's account. I don't have any personal income right now, and I'm still in the immigration process (been living here over 12 months, have an SSN, but my immigration status is still pending). The bank is now asking me to complete a W9 form, even though they already have all my personal information. I'm confused about why this is necessary when I don't have any income. Is this just standard bank procedure for documentation purposes? I'm also wondering what happens after I submit the W9. What's the actual purpose of me filling this out? Will money in the account be taxed twice since it's technically a different account number from my spouse's, even though we have access to the same funds? Or is this just how the IRS keeps track of new residents - collecting data to analyze incomes later? Sorry if these questions seem silly to those of you who understand the system, but I'm trying to figure out the purpose behind all this and how it works. Thanks for any help you can provide!

I went through this exact same situation when I first moved to the US! The W9 requirement felt overwhelming at first, but it's really just standard banking paperwork. What helped me understand it better was thinking of the W9 as the bank's way of saying "we need to confirm you're a US person for tax purposes so we know which forms to use if we ever need to report anything about your account." Since you have an SSN and have been here over 12 months, you're considered a US person for tax purposes, which means W9 instead of the W-8BEN form that non-US persons fill out. The key thing to remember is that this doesn't create any new tax obligations for you. Joint accounts are still treated as one account for tax purposes, so there's no double taxation concern. The bank just needs your information on file to comply with federal reporting requirements. Once you submit it, you're done - it's not something you'll need to think about again unless you open new accounts. The whole process is much more straightforward than it initially seems when you're navigating the US system for the first time!

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This is such a reassuring way to think about it! I really appreciate you framing it as "confirming you're a US person for tax purposes" - that makes the whole W9 requirement make so much more sense to me. It's comforting to hear from someone who went through the exact same experience. The US banking and tax system can feel so overwhelming when you're new to it, especially when you're still figuring out your immigration status. Your explanation about it being a one-time thing that I won't need to worry about again is particularly helpful. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience - it definitely helps reduce the anxiety around what seemed like a complicated issue but is really just standard paperwork!

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I'm also navigating this as someone relatively new to the US tax system, and I wanted to add something that helped me understand the bigger picture. The W9 is part of what's called "backup withholding" prevention. Essentially, if the bank doesn't have your correct taxpayer identification number (SSN) on file, they're required by law to withhold 24% of any interest or other payments they make to you and send it directly to the IRS. By filling out the W9 correctly, you're preventing this automatic withholding. Even though you don't have income right now, this protects you if the account ever earns interest in the future. Without the W9, that 24% would be automatically withheld from any interest payments, and you'd have to claim it back when filing taxes - which is just unnecessary paperwork and hassle. So think of the W9 as protecting your future self from automatic tax withholding, rather than creating any new tax obligations. It's actually working in your favor by ensuring you keep control over your money rather than having the bank automatically send portions to the IRS. This perspective helped me feel better about all the banking paperwork when I was getting established here. Hope it helps you too!

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Nia Wilson

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This is such a helpful perspective! I hadn't thought about the backup withholding aspect at all. The way you explain it as "protecting your future self" really makes the whole W9 requirement feel less burdensome and more like a smart precaution. I appreciate you mentioning the 24% automatic withholding - that would definitely be a hassle to deal with later, especially when you're already trying to navigate tax filing as a new resident. It's reassuring to know that by filling out this form now, I'm actually preventing potential complications down the road. Your point about keeping control over your money rather than having portions automatically sent to the IRS really resonates with me. It makes the W9 feel less like "more government paperwork" and more like a way to maintain autonomy over my finances. Thank you for sharing this perspective - it's exactly the kind of practical insight that helps make sense of the US system when you're still learning how everything works together!

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Liv Park

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dont forget to save all your receipts whatever option you choose. learned that one the hard way lol

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fr fr documentation is key with the IRS šŸ‘€

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Another option to consider is an Education Savings Account (ESA/Coverdell ESA) if you qualify - it allows up to $2,000 annually in after-tax contributions that grow tax-free and can be withdrawn tax-free for qualifying education expenses including K-12. The income limits are pretty strict though (phaseout starts around $95k-$110k depending on filing status). Also worth noting that some employers offer backup childcare benefits that might help with occasional PreK costs!

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Just to add a data point - I traveled internationally last year owing about $8k to the IRS. Had zero issues with my passport. The $55k threshold is real, I confirmed with my tax professional. You should be totally fine with $2,200. But definitely keep making those payments!

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Were you on a payment plan officially or just making payments? Wondering if having a formal installment agreement makes any difference.

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Ryder Greene

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@McKenzie Shade - You can breathe easy! Your $2,200 debt is nowhere near the $55,000 threshold that would trigger passport restrictions. I went through something similar last year when I owed about $3,800 and was panicking about a work trip to Europe. Called the IRS frantically and they confirmed the debt amount has to be "seriously delinquent" (their exact words) before they notify the State Department. The delay in your payments showing up online is totally normal - mine took almost a month to appear in the system. Keep your payment confirmations just in case, but you should be good to go for your May trip. Once you get back, definitely try to get that formal payment plan set up when their systems are working again. It'll give you peace of mind and protect you from any future issues. Have a great vacation!

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Zoe Walker

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Thanks for sharing your experience! It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation. I was getting so stressed reading all these conflicting things online about tax debt and passports. The $55k threshold seems to be consistent across everyone's responses here, so I feel much better about my May trip now. Did you end up setting up that formal payment plan when you got back from Europe? I'm curious if it made the whole process smoother going forward.

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Juan Moreno

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I'm going through this exact same nightmare with my IBIT holdings right now! Those monthly gross proceeds entries with no cost basis had me convinced I was about to owe taxes on thousands of dollars I never actually received. After reading through all these responses, I feel so much better knowing this is a common WHFIT quirk rather than some major tax issue I'm missing. The explanation about these being return of capital distributions that adjust your cost basis makes total sense - it's just the fund handling internal transactions rather than actual distributions to shareholders. I'm definitely going to follow the advice here about contacting my broker's tax department specifically to confirm they're tracking these basis adjustments properly. And I'll start keeping my own spreadsheet just in case their system doesn't handle it correctly when I eventually sell. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences - this thread probably saved me from either overpaying taxes or spending hundreds on an accountant to figure out something that's actually pretty straightforward once you understand the WHFIT structure!

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I'm so glad this thread exists! I was literally losing sleep over these IBIT entries on my 1099-B. Like you, I was seeing thousands in "gross proceeds" that I never received and was terrified I'd missed some major tax obligation. Reading everyone's experiences with the WHFIT structure has been such a relief - it's reassuring to know this is just how these Bitcoin ETFs report internal fee adjustments rather than actual taxable distributions. I'm definitely taking the advice about calling the broker's tax department directly instead of regular customer service. It sounds like they're much better equipped to explain these specialized reporting requirements. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - you've probably saved a lot of us from unnecessary stress and potential overpayment!

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I'm dealing with this exact same IBIT situation and it's been driving me crazy! After reading through all these responses, I finally understand what's happening with those mysterious monthly gross proceeds entries. For anyone else confused by this: these are NOT taxable distributions you need to worry about. The WHFIT structure of IBIT means the fund handles internal transactions (like covering fees) that get reported on your 1099-B but don't actually create taxable income for you. The key insight that clicked for me is that these amounts reduce your cost basis in the ETF. So if you bought shares at $40 and had $1.50 in these "proceeds" over the year, your adjusted basis becomes $38.50 per share. You'll pay slightly more in capital gains when you eventually sell, but you're not getting double-taxed. I'm going to call my broker's tax department tomorrow to confirm they're tracking these basis adjustments properly. Based on what others have shared here, it sounds like the tax specialists are much more knowledgeable about these WHFIT quirks than regular customer service. Thanks to everyone who explained this - you've saved me from either overpaying taxes or spending a fortune on an accountant to figure out what's actually a pretty standard reporting requirement for these Bitcoin ETFs!

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This whole thread has been incredibly educational! I'm a complete newcomer to ETF investing and had never heard of WHFITs before getting into IBIT. When I first saw those monthly gross proceeds on my 1099-B, I honestly thought my broker had made some kind of mistake - it just didn't make sense that I'd have "proceeds" from sales I never made. The explanation about these being internal fee adjustments that reduce cost basis rather than create taxable income is such a relief. I was already mentally preparing to set aside money for taxes on gains I never actually received! One thing I'm still curious about - when you eventually sell your IBIT shares, do most brokers automatically calculate the adjusted cost basis correctly? Or is this something most people end up having to track manually? I want to make sure I'm prepared for when that time comes. Thanks again to everyone who shared their experiences. As someone new to this community and to investing in general, it's amazing how helpful everyone has been in explaining these complex tax situations!

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8 Just want to mention that if you're from a country that has a tax treaty with the US, that can sometimes override the substantial presence test. I'm from India, and even though I qualified as a resident alien under the usual rules, certain income was treated differently because of the treaty. Check out IRS Publication 901 (Tax Treaties) to see if your home country has a treaty that might affect your situation. It could potentially save you a lot in taxes!

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3 How do you actually claim these tax treaty benefits? Is there a special form or do you just note it somewhere on your regular tax return?

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8 You claim tax treaty benefits by filing Form 8833 (Treaty-Based Return Position Disclosure) along with your tax return. This form basically tells the IRS which treaty provisions you're using to determine your tax treatment. For income like scholarships, fellowships, or certain employment income, you might also need to submit Form W-8BEN to the payer to claim a reduced withholding rate under the treaty. Each treaty has different provisions, so it's important to look up the specific articles that apply to your country and situation.

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4 One thing nobody mentioned yet - if you're a resident alien, you might need to file an FBAR (FinCEN Form 114) if you have foreign bank accounts that exceed $10,000 combined at any point during the year. Non-resident aliens don't have this requirement. This is separate from your tax return and has serious penalties if you're required to file but don't. The deadline is April 15 but it automatically extends to October 15.

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19 Wait, is this for ALL foreign accounts? I've got accounts in my home country with way more than $10k but I didn't know I needed to report them if I'm a resident alien!

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Xan Dae

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Yes, ALL foreign financial accounts count toward the $10,000 threshold - bank accounts, savings accounts, investment accounts, even jointly owned accounts where you have signature authority. It's based on the aggregate value of all your foreign accounts at any point during the year. So if you had $8,000 in one account and $3,000 in another at the same time, that's $11,000 total and you'd need to file the FBAR. The penalties for not filing when required are severe - up to $12,921 per account for non-willful violations, and much higher for willful ones. You file the FBAR electronically through the BSA E-Filing System, not with your tax return. It's completely separate. As a resident alien, you're subject to the same reporting requirements as US citizens for foreign financial accounts.

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