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AstroAce

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I've been following this thread closely as I'm dealing with my own HOA assessment situation - $7,200 for plumbing repairs and upgrades in my rental condo building. Reading everyone's experiences has been incredibly educational! One thing I wanted to add based on my recent research: if your special assessment includes any costs for legal settlements or judgments (like in your case with the litigation), those legal costs might have different tax treatment than the actual repair costs. From what I've learned, legal fees related to defending or maintaining rental property can often be deducted immediately, even if the underlying repairs need to be capitalized. Also, I noticed several people mentioned getting detailed breakdowns from their HOAs. In my experience, if your HOA is managed by a professional management company, they're usually more organized about providing detailed expense allocations than self-managed HOAs. It might be worth asking specifically for the "capital vs. operating expense breakdown" - that's the language that tends to get you the information you need for tax purposes. The $13,000 hit is definitely painful, but getting the tax treatment right could save you hundreds or even thousands in taxes depending on how much of it qualifies for immediate deduction versus depreciation. Definitely worth the extra effort to get proper documentation!

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Really appreciate you bringing up the legal settlement angle! I hadn't even thought about the fact that the legal costs from the lawsuit might be treated differently than the actual repair costs. That could potentially mean more of my $13,000 assessment might be immediately deductible than I originally thought. Your point about asking for the "capital vs. operating expense breakdown" is spot on - that's much more specific language than just asking for a "detailed breakdown." My HOA is professionally managed, so hopefully they'll be able to provide that level of detail without too much hassle. I'm definitely going to follow up with them this week to get proper documentation before I file. Between the legal costs potentially being immediately deductible and getting clarity on what portion of the repairs qualify as current expenses versus improvements, this could significantly impact my tax situation. Thanks for sharing your research - this thread has been a goldmine of practical advice!

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Diego Chavez

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This is such a helpful discussion! I'm relatively new to rental property ownership and dealing with my first major HOA assessment - $6,500 for roof repairs and gutter replacement on my rental townhouse. Reading through everyone's experiences here has really opened my eyes to how important it is to get proper documentation from the HOA before filing taxes. I initially just planned to deduct the whole amount as a rental expense, but now I understand I need to determine what portion is repairs versus improvements. One question I have - several people mentioned requesting HOA meeting minutes. Is there a standard way to request these, or does it vary by HOA? Mine is self-managed by the board members, so I'm not sure if they even keep detailed minutes of their discussions about assessments. Also, for those who've been through this process, about how long did it take to get the detailed breakdown from your HOA? I'm trying to figure out if I should file an extension to make sure I get this right, or if HOAs typically respond quickly to these requests. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - this community is such a valuable resource for navigating these complex rental property tax situations!

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Leila Haddad

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Great question about requesting meeting minutes! For self-managed HOAs, the process can definitely vary. Most states have laws requiring HOAs to keep records of board meetings and make them available to owners, but the specific procedures differ. I'd suggest starting with a simple written request (email is fine) to your board president or treasurer asking for: 1) Meeting minutes from when the assessment was discussed/approved, 2) Any documentation showing how the $6,500 breaks down between repairs and improvements, and 3) Any contractor estimates or invoices if the work has been completed. In my experience, self-managed boards sometimes take longer to respond (2-3 weeks) compared to professionally managed HOAs, mainly because they're volunteers doing this in their spare time. Given that we're in tax season, you might want to consider filing an extension if you don't hear back within a week or two - getting this classification right between repairs and improvements could save you significant money. Also, don't be afraid to mention that you need the information for tax compliance purposes. Most board members are homeowners themselves and understand the importance of proper tax documentation.

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I'm really sorry for your loss, Dmitri. This is such a difficult situation to navigate while you're grieving. From my experience as a tax preparer, you're absolutely right that you can file married filing jointly for their final return since they were married at the time of death. Here are a few additional things to keep in mind: 1. Make sure to get a federal tax ID number (EIN) for each estate if you haven't already - you'll need these for any estate tax returns or if the estates generate income after death. 2. Check if they had any estimated tax payments due for 2024. As executor, you'll need to make those payments to avoid penalties on their final return. 3. Don't forget about state taxes - you'll likely need to file final state returns as well, and some states have different rules for deceased taxpayers. 4. If they had any joint bank accounts or investment accounts, make sure you understand which income gets reported on their final personal return versus potential estate returns. The IRS Publication 559 has detailed guidance on tax issues for survivors, decedents, and estates. It's dense reading but covers scenarios exactly like yours. You're doing the right thing by being thorough about this.

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Cole Roush

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Thank you so much for the detailed guidance, Dmitry. I hadn't thought about the estimated tax payments - that's a great point. They usually made quarterly payments so I should check if Q4 2024 was paid before they passed. One question about the EIN numbers - do I need separate EINs for each spouse's estate even though they were married? And when you mention "estate income," does that include things like interest that accrued on their bank accounts between their deaths and when I closed the accounts? I'll definitely get Publication 559. The IRS website can be overwhelming when you're trying to find specific guidance, so having a comprehensive resource will be really helpful.

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Diego Vargas

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Yes, you'll typically need separate EINs for each spouse's estate if they had separate wills or if their assets weren't entirely joint. Even though they were married, each person's estate becomes its own legal entity for tax purposes. And you're exactly right about the interest income - any interest, dividends, or other income generated on their accounts between their date of death and when you closed/transferred those accounts would be reported on the estate's Form 1041, not on their final personal return. This includes things like final paychecks, pension payments, or investment income received after death. For the estimated taxes, definitely check their 2024 payment history. If Q4 wasn't made before they passed, you as executor can still make that payment to avoid underpayment penalties on their final return. The IRS generally allows reasonable time for executors to catch up on these obligations. Publication 559 really is your best friend here - it has worksheets and examples for situations exactly like yours. Take your time with it, and don't hesitate to reach out to a tax professional if some of the estate tax implications get complicated.

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I'm sorry for your loss, Dmitri. This is definitely a complex situation, but you're on the right track asking these questions. One important detail I haven't seen mentioned yet - since your sister passed in March and her husband in October, you'll need to be careful about how you handle any income or deductions that occurred between those dates. Income that your brother-in-law received between March (when your sister died) and October (when he passed) should still be included on their joint final return, but you'll want to make sure you're not double-counting anything. Also, if either of them had health insurance premiums or medical expenses that were paid after your sister's March death but before your brother-in-law's October death, those can still be deducted on the joint return since they were still married filing jointly for the full tax year. The IRS Form 1041 instructions have a helpful section on "Income in Respect of a Decedent" that might be relevant if they had any retirement accounts or other assets that generated income after death. It's worth reviewing even if you end up not needing to file estate returns. You're doing a great job handling this responsibility during such a difficult time.

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Thank you for pointing out the timing issue between the two deaths, Kiara. That's something I definitely need to pay attention to. Just to make sure I understand correctly - any income my brother-in-law earned or received between March and October (like his pension payments or any part-time work income) would still go on their joint final return, right? And if he paid any of my sister's outstanding medical bills during that period, those medical expenses could still be deducted on their joint return? I'm also wondering about their joint savings account. After my sister passed in March, my brother-in-law continued to receive interest on that account until he died in October. Would that interest income all be reported on their final joint return, or would some of it need to be split out somehow since she had already passed? This is definitely more complicated than I initially thought, but I really appreciate everyone's guidance here.

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Amina Diallo

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I went through a very similar situation when I had knee surgery in Mexico last year! The good news is that your deviated septum surgery absolutely qualifies for the medical expense deduction, and the IRS doesn't discriminate between domestic and foreign medical care. A few things that helped me navigate this process: 1. **Currency conversion**: I used the daily exchange rates from the Federal Reserve or IRS website for each payment date. Keep screenshots of the rates you used as backup documentation. 2. **Documentation**: Since you mentioned having everything translated to English, you're already ahead of the game. I also created a simple spreadsheet listing each expense, the original currency amount, exchange rate used, and USD equivalent. 3. **Travel expenses**: Since your trip was purely medical (not vacation + medical), you can likely deduct airfare, ground transportation to/from medical facilities, and reasonable lodging during recovery (up to $50/night as another commenter mentioned). 4. **Pre-authorization**: If you have any documentation from a US doctor recommending the surgery or stating it was medically necessary, keep that with your records. It strengthens your case if questioned. With your $58K AGI, you'll need to exceed $4,350 (7.5%) to start benefiting from the deduction, and at $9,800+ you're well over that threshold. Just use Schedule A and you should be good to go. The key is thorough documentation - which it sounds like you already have!

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Javier Garcia

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! I'm especially glad to hear from someone who went through the exact same process with foreign surgery. Your point about creating a spreadsheet with all the currency conversions is brilliant - I was dreading trying to organize all that information but a simple spreadsheet makes total sense. I do have documentation from my ENT here in the US stating the surgery was medically necessary and not cosmetic, so that should help. One quick question - when you say "reasonable lodging during recovery," did you interpret that as just the nights you were physically recovering from surgery, or did it include a few extra days for follow-up appointments? I had to stay an extra 3 days for post-op checkups before I could fly home. Also, did you end up getting any pushback or additional scrutiny during tax season because of the foreign expenses? I'm just trying to prepare myself for what to expect!

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For the lodging question, I included all nights that were medically necessary - so yes, I counted the extra days for post-op appointments since those were required follow-ups that my surgeon mandated before clearing me to fly. The IRS guidance says lodging must be "primarily for and essential to medical care," and required follow-up appointments definitely qualify. Just make sure you have documentation showing those appointments were medically necessary and not optional. As for scrutiny, I didn't experience any additional review or questions about the foreign expenses specifically. I think having thorough documentation was key - I kept everything organized in a folder including the medical necessity letter from my US doctor, all translated receipts, my currency conversion spreadsheet, and even photos of my surgical site for recovery documentation. The IRS processed my return normally with no issues. One tip I forgot to mention: if you paid any fees for currency exchange or international wire transfers related to the medical payments, those are also deductible as part of your medical expenses. Every little bit helps when you're itemizing!

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Yuki Sato

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This is such a timely question! I actually just went through this exact situation when I had gallbladder surgery in Thailand last year. The cost difference was incredible - what would have been $25,000+ in the US cost me about $8,000 including travel. A few additional points that haven't been mentioned yet: **Medical tourism documentation**: Since you specifically traveled for medical care, keep your travel itinerary and any medical tourism agency paperwork if you used one. This helps establish that the trip was purely medical. **Follow-up care**: Don't forget that any follow-up care you received back in the US related to your Costa Rica surgery is also deductible. This includes post-op visits with your regular doctor, any complications treatment, or physical therapy. **Payment methods**: If you paid with a credit card, the currency conversion on your statements can serve as backup documentation for exchange rates. I found this really helpful for smaller incidental expenses. **State taxes**: Check if your state also allows medical expense deductions - some states have different thresholds or rules than federal. Your situation sounds very straightforward since it was clearly medically necessary and you have good documentation. The fact that you got quotes in the US first actually strengthens your case - it shows you explored domestic options before going abroad for financial reasons, which is completely legitimate. Good luck with your return! Medical tourism is becoming more common and the IRS is well-equipped to handle these situations.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Wow, this thread has been absolutely invaluable! I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation - multi-member LLC with rental properties and I've been going in circles trying to figure out the proper reporting structure. What really helped me understand this was the explanation that Form 8825 is essentially like a "rental property Schedule E" that attaches to the partnership return. That mental framework makes so much sense! Our previous CPA also put property depreciation directly on Form 1065, so it sounds like this is a common mistake. I'm particularly interested in the Section 754 election that @Sasha Ivanov mentioned. Our partnership is stable now, but we're planning to add properties and potentially new partners over the next few years. It sounds like this election could be important for our situation, but I need to research it more. One question I haven't seen addressed: if we're using bonus depreciation on any of our rental properties (like for qualifying improvements), does that also get reported on Form 8825? I assume it would follow the same rule as regular depreciation, but I want to make sure before filing. Thanks to everyone who's contributed to this discussion - the practical advice here is so much better than anything I've found in official publications or general tax guides!

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Mei Chen

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Yes, bonus depreciation for rental property improvements would also be reported on Form 8825, following the same logic as regular depreciation. Since the improvements are directly related to the rental property (not the management business), they belong on the 8825 regardless of whether you're using regular depreciation, bonus depreciation, or Section 179 expensing. Just keep in mind that bonus depreciation rules have changed over the years and are being phased down. For 2023, you can generally take 80% bonus depreciation on qualifying property, and it drops to 60% for 2024. Make sure your tax software or preparer is calculating this correctly based on the placed-in-service dates of your improvements. Also, since you mentioned planning to add properties and partners, I'd definitely recommend researching that Section 754 election sooner rather than later. It's one of those elections that's easier to make proactively rather than trying to figure out retroactively when you need it. A good partnership tax advisor can help you model whether it makes sense for your specific situation. Welcome to the community! It's great to see newcomers asking thoughtful questions and contributing to these discussions.

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This entire discussion has been incredibly helpful! I'm a newcomer to partnership taxation and have been struggling with many of the same issues everyone has mentioned here. What I'm finding most valuable is how you've all shared real-world experiences rather than just theoretical tax code explanations. The mental framework of treating Form 8825 as a "rental property Schedule E" attached to the partnership return really clicked for me - that's the kind of practical insight that makes these complex rules actually understandable. I have a question that builds on the multi-state discussion: if our partnership owns rental properties in different states, and those states have different depreciation rules or bonus depreciation limitations, how do we handle that on the federal Form 8825? Do we follow federal rules for the 8825 and then make state-specific adjustments on each state's return? Also, regarding record-keeping, it sounds like maintaining separate documentation for management business expenses vs. rental property expenses is crucial. For those of you who've been through audits or IRS examinations, are there any specific types of documentation or record-keeping practices that you found were particularly important? Thanks for creating such a welcoming and informative community - this is exactly the kind of practical guidance that's so hard to find elsewhere!

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Hazel Garcia

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can someone clarify wat counts as "deferred compensation" for form 990? our ED has a 457b plan and im not sure if thats supposed to go in subpart F or somewhere else?

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For a 457b plan, the employer contributions should be reported in Column F (subpart F) in the year the contributions are made. This is because those contributions aren't included in taxable income when made. However, when the employee eventually receives distributions from the 457b plan, those don't get reported on the 990 again because you already reported the contributions when they were made.

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Madison King

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm dealing with a similar situation as our nonprofit's treasurer. One thing I'd add about subpart F is to make sure you're being consistent year over year with how you calculate and report these benefits. We had an issue where we were estimating health insurance premiums one way in 2022 and a completely different way in 2023, which created some confusing variances when our auditor reviewed the forms. Now we keep a detailed worksheet that breaks down exactly how we calculate each component of subpart F - retirement contributions, health premiums, life insurance, etc. Also, don't forget that if your organization provides any kind of housing allowance or parsonage allowance to clergy, those typically need to be included in subpart F as well, even though they might be excludable from income tax. The key is documenting your methodology so you can explain it to auditors or the IRS if needed. Good luck with your filing!

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Taylor Chen

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice I was looking for! Creating a detailed worksheet for subpart F calculations is brilliant - I can already see how that would help us stay consistent and make the annual filing process much smoother. Your point about housing allowances is particularly relevant since our organization is considering offering a housing stipend to our new program director. I hadn't realized that would need to be included in subpart F reporting. Do you have any recommendations for what specific details to include in that worksheet? I'm thinking we should track the calculation method, source documents, and maybe the person responsible for each estimate?

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