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I'm confused about what specific job expenses we're talking about. Does this include things like home office supplies if we're working remote? Or uniforms? What about professional licenses and continuing education?

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It covers basically any unreimbursed expense that's "ordinary and necessary" for your job. Before 2018, you could potentially deduct things like union dues, work clothes (if not suitable for everyday use), work tools, professional subscriptions, continuing education, home office (if required by your employer), etc. But now, most of these are NOT deductible for W-2 employees through 2025. Some exceptions still exist though - teachers get a special $300 deduction for supplies, and some education expenses might qualify for education credits instead.

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I'm a CPA and wanted to clarify something important that might help with your $850 in unreimbursed expenses. While you're correct that most unreimbursed employee business expenses aren't deductible as itemized deductions from 2018-2025, there are still some options to explore. First, double-check if any of your expenses fall into categories that ARE still deductible - like educator expenses (if you're a teacher), certain moving expenses (for military), or impairment-related work expenses. Second, consider asking your employer about implementing an accountable plan as others mentioned. This is honestly your best bet for getting tax-free reimbursement going forward. Third, if any of your expenses relate to education or training that maintains or improves job skills, you might qualify for education tax credits instead of deductions - these can actually be more valuable than deductions anyway. Finally, keep detailed records of everything. If the TCJA provisions aren't extended past 2025, you'll want that documentation ready for potential future deductions. The political landscape around tax policy is always changing, so staying organized pays off long-term.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation and didn't realize there might be education-related options. When you mention education tax credits vs deductions, can you explain the difference? I spent about $600 on a certification course that's required for my job - would that potentially qualify for a credit even though my employer won't reimburse it? And do I need to choose between a credit OR trying to get my employer to set up an accountable plan, or could I potentially do both for different types of expenses?

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Anna Stewart

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Have you checked if you made any payments to them via PayPal, Venmo, or any other payment apps? Sometimes you can find their info that way. Also check any invoices or emails they might have sent you. There's often contact info in email signatures or invoice headers.

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Caesar Grant

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I went through something very similar with a freelance graphic designer last year - paid them $1,800 and then they completely vanished when I needed their W-9 for tax filing. Here's what I learned from the experience: 1. File the 1099-NEC anyway with "UNKNOWN" in the address field and blank TIN/SSN as others mentioned. The IRS prefers incomplete filing over no filing. 2. Document EVERYTHING - save screenshots of any old emails, text messages, or calls you made trying to reach them. This becomes crucial if you need to request penalty abatement later. 3. Check your bank records for any additional contact info. Sometimes contractors include business names or phone numbers in payment descriptions that might help you track them down. 4. The $280 penalty isn't automatic - you can request reasonable cause relief when you receive the notice. I successfully got mine waived by showing I made good faith efforts to obtain the information. 5. For the contractor's side - they're still legally required to report that income even without receiving a 1099. The IRS has ways of matching unreported income, so this will likely catch up with them eventually. Don't panic too much - this happens more often than you'd think with small businesses. Just make sure to implement the W-9 requirement before payment going forward!

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This is really helpful advice! I'm curious about the penalty abatement process you mentioned - how long did it take to hear back from the IRS after you submitted your documentation? And did you have to provide specific forms or just write a letter explaining the situation? I'm trying to prepare for this in case I do get hit with the penalty.

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The penalty abatement process took about 6-8 weeks for me to get a response. I didn't use any specific forms - just wrote a detailed letter explaining my situation and included all my documentation (email screenshots, phone logs, etc.). The key is being very specific about what steps you took and when. I included dates of my attempts to contact the contractor, screenshots of bounced emails, and even a brief timeline showing how the contractor became unreachable. The IRS seemed to appreciate the thoroughness. One tip: if you do get the penalty notice, respond within the timeframe they give you (usually 30 days). Don't wait thinking it might go away - that just makes things worse. The "reasonable cause" standard is pretty achievable if you can show you tried to comply but circumstances beyond your control prevented it.

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This is exactly the situation I found myself in last year! The 400% FPL cliff is brutal when you're self-employed because income can be so unpredictable. One thing that helped me was making a last-minute SEP-IRA contribution before the tax deadline. Since you can contribute up to 25% of your net self-employment income (or about 20% of your Schedule C profit after the SE tax deduction), this can significantly reduce your MAGI. I was able to contribute about $15,000 which brought me well under the 400% threshold. Also, don't forget about the SE tax deduction itself - half of your self-employment tax reduces your MAGI for PTC purposes. And if you have a spouse, you might want to run the numbers on married filing separately vs. jointly, as this can sometimes help with PTC optimization. The key is to think holistically about all your above-the-line deductions, not just the health insurance piece. Sometimes it's better to maximize retirement contributions and take a smaller health insurance deduction rather than the other way around.

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This is incredibly helpful! I never thought about using retirement contributions strategically to manage the PTC cliff. Quick question - when you say SEP-IRA contributions can be up to 25% of net self-employment income, is that calculated before or after the SE health insurance deduction? I'm wondering if there's an optimal order of operations here: maximize retirement contributions first to get under 400% FPL, then figure out how much SE health insurance deduction makes sense with the remaining income? Or does the circular calculation with the health insurance deduction mean I need to solve for both simultaneously? Also, did you find that your tax software handled the interaction between SEP-IRA contributions and PTC calculations correctly, or did you need to manually verify the numbers?

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StarStrider

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Great question about the order of operations! The SEP-IRA contribution limit is calculated on net self-employment earnings, which is your Schedule C profit minus the deductible portion of SE tax - but this is calculated BEFORE the SE health insurance deduction. So there's actually less interaction between these two deductions than you might think. However, you're absolutely right that there's still an optimal strategy. I typically recommend maximizing retirement contributions first since they're more straightforward to calculate and don't have the circular dependency issue. Once you know your retirement contribution amount, then you can work on optimizing the SE health insurance deduction with the remaining MAGI. Regarding tax software - most programs handle SEP-IRA and PTC calculations correctly in isolation, but I found mine struggled when I was right at the 400% cliff with multiple moving pieces. I ended up manually verifying the calculations using the worksheets in Publications 560 and 974. One tip: if you're close to the cliff, try running scenarios with different contribution amounts before committing to a specific SEP-IRA contribution. You want to make sure you're not over-contributing to retirement at the expense of a more beneficial tax optimization elsewhere.

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Daryl Bright

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This is such a well-documented example of why the ACA's subsidy structure can be so punitive for self-employed individuals. You're absolutely correct that strategically limiting your SE health insurance deduction to stay under 400% FPL is often the optimal approach, even though it feels counterintuitive. One additional consideration I'd mention: if you're planning ahead for next year, you might want to look into income smoothing strategies. Since you know about this cliff now, you could potentially time certain business expenses or income recognition to avoid getting caught at the threshold again. Also, keep detailed records of your actual health insurance premiums paid versus what you deduct. The IRS has been increasing scrutiny on SE health insurance deductions, and having clear documentation of why you chose a specific deduction amount (PTC optimization) rather than the full premium amount can be helpful if questioned. The fact that a $100 difference in deduction can result in an $8,800 swing in tax liability really highlights how broken this particular part of the tax code is. You're making the right financial choice, even if the system seems designed to trip people up.

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Omar Farouk

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This is exactly the kind of systematic breakdown I needed to see! The income smoothing strategy is brilliant - I never thought about timing business expenses or income recognition to avoid the cliff entirely rather than just managing it after the fact. Your point about documentation is really important too. I've been keeping all my insurance premium statements, but I hadn't thought about documenting the *reasoning* behind my deduction amount. Adding a note about PTC optimization referencing Publication 974 seems like a smart CYA move. The $8,800 swing you mentioned really drives home how dramatic this cliff effect is. It's wild that the tax code can create these situations where taking a larger deduction actually costs you money. Has there been any talk in Congress about smoothing out this cliff, or are we stuck with this system for the foreseeable future? Also curious - when you mention "income smoothing strategies," are there specific techniques that work particularly well for Schedule C filers, or is it mostly about timing major purchases and payments around year-end?

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Emily Sanjay

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I've been through this exact situation and wanted to share what really helped me get through it without the stress and uncertainty that I see you're experiencing. When I made the same Head of Household vs Single mistake on my W4, I was panicking about how much I might owe and whether I was calculating everything correctly. After spending way too much time trying to figure out the math myself, I decided to use a professional tax analysis service. I ended up using TaxAct's withholding analysis tool, which connected me with a tax professional who reviewed my paystubs and calculated exactly how much I was underwithholding each pay period. They also helped me determine the right amount to add on line 4(c) of my corrected W4 to catch up over the remaining months. What I really appreciated was having an expert walk me through the numbers instead of trying to guess based on online calculators. The peace of mind was worth every penny - I knew exactly where I stood and had a clear plan to fix it. Plus, they helped me understand the safe harbor rules so I knew I wouldn't face any penalties. The whole process took about 30 minutes, and I walked away feeling completely confident about my tax situation instead of constantly worrying about it. Sometimes it's worth investing in professional guidance when you want to make sure you're handling something correctly the first time.

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That's a really smart approach! I think there's definitely value in getting professional guidance when you're dealing with tax issues, especially when the anxiety is affecting your daily life. It sounds like having that expert validation and clear action plan was exactly what you needed. I'm curious about the cost - was it reasonable for the peace of mind you got? I've been going back and forth between trying to figure this out myself with the free IRS calculator versus paying someone who actually knows what they're doing. Your experience makes it sound like the professional route might be worth it just to avoid all the second-guessing and worry. Did they also help you understand what to watch for in the future to avoid making similar mistakes? I feel like once I get this sorted out, I want to make sure I never find myself in this situation again!

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NebulaNova

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I made this exact same mistake when I started my current job last year! The feeling of panic when you first realize it is totally normal, but I can assure you this is much more manageable than it seems. Here's what I learned: at your income level ($65k), you're probably looking at roughly $35-45 less being withheld per paycheck. Since you caught this in April, you've likely had maybe $300-500 total underwithholding so far - definitely not the thousands you might be imagining. My recommendation is to take a two-step approach: 1. Get a new W4 to HR this week with the correct Single filing status 2. Use the IRS withholding calculator to determine if you need extra withholding on line 4(c) to catch up The beauty of catching this now is that you have 8+ months to correct course. When I was in your shoes, I added about $50 extra per paycheck on line 4(c) and ended up getting a small refund instead of owing money. Don't let the anxiety eat at you - this happens to more people than you'd think, and your HR department has seen it countless times. They'll process the correction without any drama. You're being responsible by addressing it promptly, and that's exactly the right approach!

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Chloe Davis

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This is exactly the kind of reassuring, practical advice I needed to hear! Your breakdown of the actual dollar amounts really helps put this in perspective - I was definitely catastrophizing and imagining I'd owe thousands when the reality is much more manageable. I really appreciate you sharing the specific approach of adding extra on line 4(c) to catch up. The fact that you ended up with a refund after being proactive about fixing it gives me a lot of hope. It's also reassuring to know that HR departments see this all the time and won't make a big deal out of it. I'm going to follow your two-step plan - new W4 to HR this week, then use the IRS calculator to figure out the right amount for line 4(c). Thanks for taking the time to share your experience and help calm my nerves about this!

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StarSailor

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As a newcomer to this community, I've been following this discussion with great interest since I'm facing the exact same decision! This thread has been incredibly enlightening - it's clear that the choice really comes down to personal preferences and specific needs rather than one version being objectively superior. What I find most helpful is how everyone emphasized that both versions will calculate your taxes correctly using the same engine. I've been getting caught up in comparing every little feature when what really matters is choosing the approach that fits my comfort level and workflow. Based on all the experiences shared here, I'm leaning heavily toward TurboTax Online for my first serious comparison. The automatic document imports, live chat support with screen sharing, and device flexibility all sound like they'd significantly reduce the stress I typically feel during tax season. The fact that it's more forgiving for beginners is exactly what I need right now. The advice about trying the free version first is brilliant - I can actually experience the interface rather than trying to predict what I'll prefer. Sometimes analysis paralysis is worse than just picking a reasonable option and moving forward! Thank you all for creating such a valuable resource. This peer-to-peer advice based on real experiences is far more useful than any comparison chart I've found online. It's refreshing to see a community where people take the time to share practical insights that genuinely help newcomers navigate these decisions.

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Welcome to the community! I'm also new here and this thread has been such a lifesaver. I've been going through the exact same decision paralysis you described, and reading everyone's real experiences has been way more helpful than any of the official comparison pages I've been stuck on for weeks. What really clicked for me was when several people mentioned that we're overthinking a decision that ultimately comes down to interface preference since both versions calculate taxes the same way. I kept getting lost in feature lists when I should have been focusing on what would actually make my tax filing experience less stressful. Your plan to try the free version of Online first is exactly what I'm going to do too. The live chat support with screen sharing that people mentioned sounds incredibly valuable for someone like me who learns better with guidance rather than trying to figure everything out independently. And the automatic document imports could save so much time and reduce those transcription errors I always worry about. It's amazing how this community came together to turn what started as a simple "which is better" question into such a comprehensive guide for people in our situation. Thanks for adding your perspective - it's reassuring to know other newcomers are finding this as helpful as I am!

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Evelyn Kelly

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As another newcomer to this community, I've been reading through this entire discussion with fascination! It's incredible how what started as a simple question about TurboTax versions turned into such a comprehensive resource for people facing this decision. What really stands out to me is how consistently everyone emphasized that both versions will produce the same accurate tax results - it's really just about your preferred way of working. I think I was getting too caught up in trying to find the "objectively best" option when it's more about finding what works best for my specific situation and comfort level. The consensus around TurboTax Online being more beginner-friendly really resonates with me. The live chat support with screen sharing, automatic document imports, and device flexibility all sound like they'd make tax season significantly less stressful. Plus, the ability to easily get help when I inevitably have questions seems invaluable. I'm definitely going to take the advice about trying the free version first - it makes so much more sense to experience the interface rather than trying to imagine it from descriptions. And knowing I can always switch to Desktop next year if I want more control takes the pressure off making the "perfect" choice right now. Thank you all for sharing such detailed, practical experiences. This kind of peer advice from people who've actually been through this decision is exactly what I needed to stop overthinking and just move forward!

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