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Just to clarify something important that others haven't mentioned - cycle 05 means your account is processed weekly, not daily. So your transcript only updates once per week (typically Thursday night/Friday morning), while daily cycle filers can see updates any day. This is why the lag between transcript and WMR might seem longer for weekly filers - you're essentially waiting for two different weekly processes to align. It's not that the WMR delay is longer, it's that your transcript only updates weekly to begin with! π
Thank you for asking this question! I'm in the exact same situation - cycle 05 and avoiding ID.me. Based on all the responses here, it looks like I can expect WMR to update 1-4 days after my transcript changes, with Thursday night transcript updates typically leading to Friday-Monday WMR updates. The consistency in everyone's experiences is really helpful. I'm going to stop obsessively checking WMR multiple times a day and just check once daily starting Friday mornings. It's frustrating that we can't access our own tax information without giving up our privacy, but at least now I have realistic expectations for the timing!
Has anyone actually gotten an IRS notice for this kind of thing but been below poverty line? I thought there was a rule that if you're below 100% FPL, you don't have to pay back premium tax credits? I'm in a similar situation and freaking out about potentially owing money.
There's a special rule: if advance PTC was paid for you but your income ends up below 100% FPL, you can still qualify for the credits if you meet certain requirements. One of those is that at enrollment, the Marketplace estimated your income would be between 100-400% FPL. So the OP might still qualify even with income below 100% FPL.
I went through almost this exact situation last year! The key thing to understand is that even though you're below 100% FPL, you still need to complete Form 8962 because advance premium tax credits were paid on your behalf when you were on your dad's marketplace plan. Here's what worked for me: On Line 6, check "Yes" because you meet the exception - you were enrolled in a qualified health plan where APTC was paid, even though your income is below 100% FPL. For the monthly calculations, you'll put zeros for January-June (Medicaid months) and then work with your dad to determine the allocation percentage for July-December. The good news is that there are repayment limitations based on income. Since you're below 200% FPL, your maximum repayment is capped at a much lower amount than the full credit received. In many cases with very low income like yours, you might not owe anything back at all. Make sure to coordinate with your dad on the allocation percentage - you both need to use the same percentage on your returns. The IRS instructions for Form 8962 have examples of how to calculate this based on the premium amounts for each person covered.
This is really helpful! I'm new to dealing with tax forms like this and was getting overwhelmed by all the IRS language. Just to make sure I understand - when you say "allocation percentage" with your dad, does that mean like if the total premium was $500/month and my portion was estimated at $200, then my allocation would be 40%? And then I'd use that 40% for all the calculations on my Form 8962 for those months? Also, when you mention repayment limitations - where exactly do I find that information on the form? I want to make sure I'm not missing any protections available to me given my income level.
Yes, you've got the allocation concept right! If the total family premium was $500 and your estimated portion was $200, then your allocation would be 40% (200Γ·500). You'd use that same 40% for all the Form 8962 calculations during the months you were on your dad's plan. For the repayment limitations, look at the instructions for Form 8962 - there's a table that shows maximum repayment amounts based on your income as a percentage of the Federal Poverty Line. Since you mentioned being "way below" 100% FPL, you'll likely fall into the lowest repayment category. The form itself will calculate this for you in the later sections, but it's good to know these protections exist so you don't panic about potentially owing thousands. One more tip: keep good records of your coordination with your dad on the allocation percentage. If the IRS ever questions it, you'll want documentation showing how you both calculated and agreed on the split.
I think we're missing something obvious here. Maybe she just doesn't want to pay the fees or go through the hassle of the application? A friend of mine who's a tax preparer told me getting an EFIN requires fingerprinting, an in-person interview sometimes, and a bunch of documentation. Sounds like this lady might just be lazy and cutting corners rather than being unable to qualify.
But isn't that even worse? Cutting corners on federal requirements doesn't inspire confidence in her attention to detail for tax preparation. I'd be really concerned about having someone who knowingly bypasses IRS requirements handling my financial information and tax filing.
This whole situation raises red flags about the quality and ethics of this tax preparer's practice. As someone who's dealt with tax compliance issues before, I can tell you that the IRS takes EFIN violations very seriously - it's not just a technical violation, it's a breach of the entire electronic filing system's integrity. What concerns me most is that clients may not even realize their returns are being filed under fraudulent credentials. When tax season gets busy, people often don't pay close attention to the technical details on their forms. But if the IRS discovers this arrangement and investigates, those clients could face delays in processing their refunds, additional correspondence, or even audits through no fault of their own. The fact that she's been operating this way for 3 years suggests this isn't an oversight or temporary arrangement - it's a deliberate choice to circumvent IRS requirements. Whether it's because she can't qualify for her own EFIN or just doesn't want to go through the proper process, either scenario should make potential clients think twice about trusting her with their financial information. I'd strongly recommend anyone considering using her services to verify that their preparer has their own valid EFIN before handing over their tax documents.
This is exactly right - I'm new to understanding tax preparation regulations, but this situation sounds really concerning from a client protection standpoint. If I were using a tax preparer, I'd want to know they're following all the proper procedures and have their own legitimate credentials. Is there an easy way for regular people to verify that their tax preparer has a valid EFIN? I imagine most clients just assume everything is legitimate and don't think to check these technical details. It seems like there should be some kind of database or verification system available to the public, especially since we're trusting these preparers with such sensitive financial information.
Just to add to the education expenses discussion - I used that exception last year as a grad student. For the "qualified higher education expenses" remember it includes: 1) Tuition and fees 2) Books, supplies, equipment required for enrollment 3) Room and board IF you're at least half-time student 4) Computer equipment/software/internet access if required The withdrawal doesn't have to directly pay for these things - you just need to have incurred these expenses in the same tax year as the withdrawal. Also, you can only use expenses that weren't paid for by tax-free education assistance (scholarships, grants, etc).
This is super helpful! So even though I have a tuition waiver, I can still use my living expenses since I'm a full-time student? Do you know if there's a limit to how much rent/food can count as qualified expenses?
Yes, even with a tuition waiver, your room and board expenses can qualify - but there is a limit. The amount can't exceed the allowance for room and board included in your school's official "cost of attendance" figures. Your financial aid office can provide this number if you don't already have it. For example, if your school lists $15,000 annually as the room and board component of cost of attendance, that's your maximum qualified amount for those expenses (assuming you're enrolled full-time). And remember, if any part of your expenses was covered by tax-free grants or scholarships, you need to subtract those amounts.
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - when you take early distributions from retirement accounts, make sure you properly report ANY exceptions on Form 5329. Even if you qualify for an exception, if you don't file this form correctly, the IRS computer system will automatically assess the 10% penalty. I learned this the hard way last year when I took a distribution for qualified higher education expenses but didn't properly code it. Got a lovely letter from the IRS saying I owed penalties plus interest. Had to file an amended return with Form 5329 completed correctly.
Quick question - if using TurboTax or similar software, will it automatically generate the Form 5329 if you indicate you qualify for an exception? Or do you need to specifically request this form?
Most tax software like TurboTax will automatically generate Form 5329 when you indicate you qualify for an exception to the 10% penalty, but it's definitely worth double-checking before you file. The software should ask you about exceptions when you enter your 1099-R information, and then it should populate the form accordingly. However, I'd recommend reviewing the completed forms before submitting - make sure the exception code is correct on line 2 of Form 5329. For education expenses, it should be exception code "08". The software sometimes gets this wrong, especially if you have multiple retirement account distributions with different exceptions. You can usually view all forms being filed in a summary section before final submission. If you don't see Form 5329 listed but you claimed an exception, that's a red flag to investigate further.
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Sofia Ramirez
Same here! The waiting is killing me π© I've been refreshing like crazy too. From what I've learned here, it sounds like most updates happen Friday mornings around 3-6am EST, but it really depends on your specific cycle code. Might be worth checking what yours is so you know when to actually expect updates instead of checking constantly!
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