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Yara Khoury

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Keisha Taylor

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facts! wish id known about this months ago instead of playing detective with these codes 😭

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Code 150 is actually one of the good ones to see! It just means your return was successfully received and processed into their system. Think of it like a "we got it" confirmation. The date next to it shows when they processed it. You're all set - no action needed on your part. Just wait for any refund if you have one coming!

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Sophia Clark

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Did the company that ran the class provide any kind of detailed receipt that breaks down the cost? Sometimes these business courses on cruises will actually itemize what portion covers materials, instruction, meals during sessions, etc. If they did that, you might be able to deduct more than just the base cost.

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Not OP but I did something similar once. Even with itemized receipts, the IRS still treats anything on a foreign-flagged cruise ship with extra scrutiny. In my case, they allowed the course fee and materials but disallowed meals even though they were "during business hours." Just my experience though.

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Eva St. Cyr

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I went through something very similar last year with a continuing education course on a cruise. Here's what I learned after consulting with my CPA and getting through to the IRS: The $850 course fee is definitely deductible as a business education expense on Schedule C, assuming it directly relates to skills needed in your current business. Keep that certificate and any course materials as documentation. However, since you mentioned it was a Caribbean cruise, the vessel was almost certainly foreign-flagged, which means the cruise costs themselves (the $1,875 fare plus $450 in fees) are not deductible under IRC Section 274(h). This applies even though the course was the primary reason for your trip. One thing to watch out for - make sure you can demonstrate that this course maintains or improves skills for your existing business, not training you for a new line of work. The IRS can be picky about that distinction. Also, don't try to get creative with allocating cruise costs based on time spent in class - with foreign vessels, those costs are simply excluded regardless of the business purpose. Your best approach is to claim the clean $850 deduction and have solid documentation ready. It's a legitimate business expense that shouldn't raise any red flags.

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This is really helpful, thank you! Just to clarify - when you say "maintains or improves skills for your existing business," does that mean I need to show that I actually implemented what I learned? I took detailed notes during the marketing sessions and they covered strategies that are directly applicable to my consulting work, but I haven't had a chance to put everything into practice yet since I just got back a few months ago. Also, did your CPA mention anything about whether the timing of when you take the deduction matters? Since this was in September, should I be claiming it on this year's taxes or can I wait until next year when I file?

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IRS Where's My Refund shows "processing delayed beyond normal timeframe" with all status bars showing question marks - what does Tax Topic 152 mean for my 2023 return?

I filed my 2023 taxes back in April and I've been checking the Where's My Refund tool constantly. Today I checked again and got this weird message that I haven't seen before on the IRS website. When I logged in, I saw the IRS Refund Status Results page, but all the status bars that usually show "Return Received," "Refund Approved," and "Refund Sent" now have question marks next to them instead of the usual checkmarks or processing indicators. The message on the screen says: "We apologize, but your return processing has been delayed beyond the normal timeframe. You can continue to check back here for the most up to date information regarding your refund. We understand your tax refund is very important and we are working to process your return as quickly as possible." Under "Helpful Information," it mentions "Tax Topic 152, Refund Information" related to my tax situation. There's also a note that says: "For refund information, please continue to check here, or use our free mobile app, IRS2Go. Updates to refund status are made no more than once a day." I noticed it shows "Tax Year 2024" at the bottom under "Your personal tax information" (although I filed for 2023). Has anyone seen this before? I'm getting really concerned since I was expecting my refund by now. What does it mean when all three status indicators have question marks? And what exactly is Tax Topic 152? How much longer might I have to wait? This is stressing me out!

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I'm so sorry you're dealing with this frustrating situation! I went through something very similar last year and that "processing delayed beyond normal timeframe" message with the question marks is basically the IRS's way of saying "we're working on it but we're not going to tell you what's actually happening." A few things that helped me figure out what was going on: 1. **Get your transcript** - This is crucial. The Where's My Refund tool is pretty useless, but your transcript will show specific codes that indicate what's actually happening. Look for codes like 570 (hold), 971 (notice issued), or 846 (refund date). 2. **Common delay causes** for straightforward returns like yours: • Math errors they're correcting • W2/1099 income verification • Random compliance reviews • Processing backlogs 3. **The transcript verification issue** - If you can't get through their online verification, try calling early in the morning or consider requesting transcripts by mail (though that takes longer). Tax Topic 152 is just their generic reference for refund information - it doesn't indicate anything specific about your situation unfortunately. Since you filed in April and it's been this long, there's likely a specific issue that needs resolution rather than just normal processing delays. The fact that you claimed Child Tax Credit could be part of it, as they do additional verification on refundable credits. I know the uncertainty is incredibly stressful, but most of these situations do eventually resolve. Hang in there and definitely try to get that transcript - it's your best shot at understanding what's really happening!

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Grace Patel

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Thank you so much for this detailed breakdown! This is exactly the kind of practical advice I needed. I've been feeling completely lost in this whole process, but your step-by-step approach gives me a clear path forward. I'm definitely going to prioritize getting my transcript - sounds like that's where all the real information is hiding. The fact that the Where's My Refund tool is basically useless while the transcript has all the actual details is so typical of how backwards this whole system is. Your point about the Child Tax Credit potentially causing additional verification makes a lot of sense. I wish the IRS would just tell us upfront "hey, we're verifying your CTC claim, expect 6-8 weeks" instead of leaving us all to guess what's happening. I really appreciate you taking the time to share your experience and give concrete next steps. It's reassuring to hear from someone who actually got through this nightmare successfully. Hopefully I can get my transcript accessed and figure out what specific codes are showing up. The uncertainty has been the worst part, so even just having a plan of action helps with the stress level. Thank you again for the helpful guidance!

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Caleb Bell

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I'm going through the exact same nightmare right now! Filed my 2023 return in late March and have been stuck with that "processing delayed beyond normal timeframe" message for over 2 months. The question marks on all three status bars are so demoralizing - it feels like the IRS is actively trying to keep us in the dark about our own money. After reading through everyone's experiences here, I'm definitely going to try to access my transcript to decode those mysterious codes. It sounds like that's where the real information is hiding, even though the codes are apparently written in some kind of tax hieroglyphics that normal humans can't understand. I'm also seriously considering trying one of those callback services like Claimyr that multiple people mentioned. The fact that so many have had actual success getting through to agents and resolving their issues makes it seem worth the cost. The regular IRS phone system is completely broken - I've called probably 40+ times and never gotten past the automated maze. What's really frustrating is that my return was super straightforward too - just W2 income, standard deduction, and child tax credit. Nothing that should trigger months of delays and cryptic messages. The complete lack of transparency is honestly insulting. We shouldn't have to become amateur detectives just to understand what's happening with our own tax returns. Really hoping we all get some movement on our refunds soon. This whole experience has been incredibly stressful and the uncertainty is brutal. The IRS system desperately needs an overhaul! 😤

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Amun-Ra Azra

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Ive seen this happen alot lately. The IRS is backed up worse than ever this year smh

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Brian Downey

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That message is totally normal! It just means your return has moved from the initial received stage into actual processing. The bars on WMR often disappear when this happens - it's not a sign of any problems. Processing times can vary a lot this year, but most returns are getting processed within 21 days. Just keep checking periodically and you should see it update to approved soon!

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Emma Davis

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Thanks for the reassurance @Brian Downey! That's really helpful to know it's normal. I was starting to panic when the bars disappeared. Good to hear most are still processing within 21 days despite all the delays people are talking about šŸ¤ž

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Liam Cortez

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet - make sure your client keeps thorough documentation of the 8986 they received and how they handled it. In my experience, these partnership audit adjustments often trigger correspondence or questions later. I recommend creating a detailed memo explaining: 1) When and why they received the 8986 2) The analysis showing why no further forms were required 3) How the adjustments were incorporated in their reporting This isn't just for potential IRS questions - it's also helpful if your client changes tax preparers in the future or if you need to revisit this issue years later. Partnership items have a way of coming back around.

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Savannah Vin

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Good point about documentation. How long would you recommend keeping these records? The standard 3 years or longer because it's related to partnerships?

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Liam Cortez

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I'd recommend keeping these records for at least 7 years, possibly longer. Partnership items can have extended statute of limitations, especially when there are audit adjustments involved. The statute for partnership items can extend beyond the normal 3-year period in various circumstances. Since this involves an AAR (Administrative Adjustment Request) from an upstream partnership, those adjustments could potentially be subject to review for a longer period. It's always better to err on the side of caution with partnership documentation.

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Mason Stone

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Just wanted to share that we ran into this exact situation last year with a client. A non-BBA LLC received an 8986 showing reduced K-1 income from an AAR filing. We called the IRS Partnership Hotline and confirmed our client did NOT need to issue 8986s to their partners. We just had to make sure the adjustments were properly reflected on the client's tax return for that year. The key factor was exactly what others have mentioned - since there was no imputed underpayment (just income/capital adjustments), there was nothing to push out further.

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Did you have to file anything special with the return or attach the 8986 you received? We have a similar situation but I'm not sure how to document it properly.

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We attached a copy of the 8986 we received to the return and included a brief statement explaining how the adjustments were incorporated. Nothing fancy - just a note that said "Income and capital adjustments per Form 8986 received from [Partnership Name] dated [Date] have been reflected in the amounts reported on this return." The IRS agent we spoke with said this was sufficient documentation. They mainly want to see that you received the adjustment and properly accounted for it. Keep the original 8986 with your permanent client files too - you'll want that if there are ever any questions down the road.

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