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Depreciation on a vehicle: Can I claim it with standard mileage deduction for self-employment taxes?

My 2017 Subaru Outback finally kicked the bucket in 2023 at around 225k miles. The repairs would have cost me about $13,000 (transmission completely shot and not rebuildable, serious oil leak from previous work on the transmission, plus several other expensive issues). So I ended up purchasing a 2019 Subaru Forester in May 2024 for approximately $26,500. (I ended up donating the old Outback to a local charity.) I had just closed on selling my rental property the same week my transmission failed, so I had the cash on hand and bought the vehicle outright - no loan or interest. I'm self-employed and have always used the standard mileage deduction instead of actual expenses on my tax filings. My business vs. personal use typically falls around 60-40% or sometimes 50-50%. No commuting miles since I work from home. With my old 2017 Outback, depreciation wasn't really on my radar since I knew I'd drive it into the ground, so I didn't factor it into my taxes. For my 2024 tax filing (which will be the first time including my "new" 2019 Forester), I planned to do the same thing - just take the standard mileage deduction. I briefly looked into claiming depreciation separately, got confused by the rules, and noticed that the mileage deduction already includes depreciation. So I figured I'd stick with mileage deduction. (Especially after reading that using mileage the first year gives you flexibility to switch between mileage or actual expenses later, and since the Forester is in good shape with minimal expenses right now.) But I'm questioning if this is the right approach. For a vehicle that cost $26,500 in 2024, should I be handling depreciation differently? Can you add a new vehicle, use the standard mileage rate, and still claim additional depreciation because it's a new purchase? If I should've done something different, can I still fix it for the 2024 filing? What would the depreciation deduction even look like for a vehicle at this price point? Also, I just found some information suggesting I could deduct the registration fees and sales tax on the 2019 Forester in 2024, even while claiming the standard mileage deduction. Is that accurate? How would I calculate that - just use the percentage based on business miles? Any help would be appreciated!

Grace Lee

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Has anyone switched from standard mileage to actual expenses after the first year? I'm wondering if it's worth keeping track of everything just in case actual expenses end up being higher in future years.

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Mia Roberts

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I did this with my last car. Used standard mileage the first 2 years then switched to actual when repair costs started piling up. You need to keep ALL your receipts and good records of business vs personal use percentage. Also, if you switch to actual, you have to use straight line depreciation for the remaining recovery period and you can't switch back to mileage later for that vehicle.

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Grace Lee

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Thanks for sharing your experience! That makes sense about keeping all receipts just in case. I'm guessing the "straight line depreciation for remaining recovery period" is the complicated part. Did you use an accountant to help figure that out or were you able to calculate it yourself?

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Nia Harris

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Just to add some clarity on the depreciation calculation if you do switch from mileage to actual expenses - it's actually not too complicated once you understand the concept. When you use standard mileage, the IRS considers that you've already "taken" depreciation at a rate of 27 cents per mile for 2024 (this is built into the 67 cents total rate). So if you drove 10,000 business miles in your first year using standard mileage, you've already "used up" $2,700 of depreciation ($0.27 x 10,000 miles). If you switch to actual expenses in year 2, you'd subtract that $2,700 from your vehicle's basis before calculating remaining depreciation. For your $26,500 Forester with 60% business use, your depreciable basis would be $15,900 (60% of $26,500). If you used standard mileage in 2024 and drove, say, 8,000 business miles, you'd subtract $2,160 in "deemed depreciation" from that $15,900 basis. Then you'd depreciate the remaining amount over the rest of the 5-year recovery period using straight-line method. The math gets a bit involved, but it's definitely doable with a good tax software or spreadsheet once you understand the concept.

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This is really helpful! I never understood how the IRS handled the transition between methods. So basically they assume you've been depreciating at 27 cents per business mile even when using standard mileage? That makes the math much clearer. Do you know if there's an official IRS publication that explains this calculation, or did you learn this from experience? I'd love to have a reference in case I need to explain it to my accountant.

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - the Augusta Rule has limits beyond just the 14 days. If you're using a home office deduction for the same space, things get complicated. You can't double-dip on deductions for the same space. Also, the business purpose has to be legitimate. Simply calling it a "strategy meeting" won't cut it if you get audited. There needs to be a clear agenda, outcomes, and a business necessity for using the home rather than another location.

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So does this mean if I have a dedicated home office that I deduct expenses for regularly, I can't also use the Augusta Rule? Or can I just use different areas of my house?

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Dana Doyle

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Good point about the home office complication! You can still use the Augusta Rule, but you need to be strategic about it. If you have a dedicated home office that you regularly deduct, you can't use that same space for Augusta Rule rentals since you'd be double-dipping. However, you can absolutely use different areas of your house. For example, if your home office is in a spare bedroom, you could rent out your dining room, living room, or outdoor patio area for business meetings. Just make sure to clearly document which spaces are being used for each purpose and keep them separate in your records. The key is maintaining clear boundaries between your regular home office deduction and your Augusta Rule rental income. Different spaces, different tax treatments, but both can potentially be used by the same business owner.

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Luca Ferrari

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I've been following this discussion with great interest since I'm in a similar situation with my consulting LLC. One thing I want to add that hasn't been fully addressed - timing matters a lot for the Augusta Rule. You need to be careful about when you "rent" your home to your business. The rental needs to happen in the same tax year that your business deducts the expense. So if you hold a business meeting in December 2024 but don't actually pay the rental fee until January 2025, you could run into timing issues between the deduction and the income exclusion. Also, for anyone considering this strategy, remember that the 14-day limit is per tax year, not per property. If you own multiple properties and try to use the Augusta Rule on each one, you're still capped at 14 days total across all properties for the tax-free treatment. The documentation requirements everyone mentioned are absolutely critical. I learned this the hard way when my accountant pointed out that simply having meeting notes isn't enough - you need to show that using your home was necessary for the business purpose rather than just convenient.

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CosmicCadet

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What nobody's mentioned is how being a "US person" makes banking overseas a nightmare. I'm a dual US/German citizen and banks here hate dealing with US reporting requirements. Some even closed my accounts when FATCA came in! If you stop filing US taxes you might fly under the radar for years, but eventually something will trigger attention - maybe trying to move that investment, getting a large inheritance, or buying property. Then you'll face back filing for all those missing years plus penalties. The "head in sand" approach feels good short term but can be expensive long term. I tried it for 3 years and ended up paying way more to fix it than if I'd just kept filing.

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Chloe Harris

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The banking issues are no joke. I couldn't even open a retirement account in Spain because I checked the "US citizen" box on the application. Is that happening in New Zealand too?

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I'm an American living in New Zealand and can relate to your frustration! The banking situation here isn't as bad as some European countries, but it's definitely getting more complicated. Most major banks (ANZ, ASB, Westpac) will still open accounts for US citizens, but they ask a lot more questions now and some investment products are off-limits. One thing that might help with your immediate cost problem - have you looked into the IRS Volunteer Income Tax Assistance (VITA) program? They sometimes have virtual sessions specifically for expats, and it's completely free if you qualify (which you likely would based on your income level). The quality can be hit-or-miss, but it might be worth trying before paying hundreds again. Also, since you mentioned you're in Australia - the US-Australia tax treaty has some provisions that could help reduce your filing burden. Australia's superannuation system has specific treaty protections that most tax preparers don't even know about. The nuclear option of renouncing citizenship is expensive upfront ($2,350 now), but if you're truly never planning to live in the US and the annual filing costs keep adding up, it might be worth saving for over a few years. Just make sure you understand the exit tax implications first, especially with that investment account.

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Amina Toure

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Hey Malik, I see you already figured out it was an old parking ticket from 2020 through the Treasury Offset Program - that's exactly what I was going to suggest! This is super common and catches people off guard all the time. The good news is at least you know where your money went now, even if it's frustrating. For future reference, you can actually request an injured spouse allocation if you're married filing jointly and the debt belonged to your spouse before marriage. Also, some offsets can be appealed if you believe they're in error. The letter you should receive in the mail will have details about your rights and next steps if you want to dispute it. Glad you got it sorted out though - mystery solved! šŸŽ‰

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Thanks for the additional info about injured spouse allocation! I had no idea that was even a thing. Fortunately I'm single so that doesn't apply to me, but good to know for others who might be reading this thread. I'm definitely keeping an eye out for that letter in the mail - want to make sure this old parking ticket debt is actually legitimate and not some mistake. It's crazy how one forgotten ticket from 4 years ago can just suddenly appear and take your refund money! 😤

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LunarLegend

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This is such a frustrating situation but unfortunately pretty common! Based on what you've shared, since your transcript shows the full amount but you only received a partial deposit, it's most likely either a Treasury Offset (which you already confirmed with the parking ticket) or your bank holding part of the funds. Since you found out about the parking ticket offset, that explains the difference. For anyone else reading this who might have a similar issue, here are the main things to check: 1. Call Treasury Offset Program at 800-304-3107 to check for any offsets 2. Contact your bank to see if they're holding part of the deposit 3. Check if your tax preparer deducted fees from your refund 4. Look for any adjustments the IRS made to your return (though these usually show on your transcript) The silver lining is that at least you know exactly what happened now, even though losing refund money to an old debt is never fun. Make sure you get that offset notice in the mail and verify all the details are correct!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with my UK-based software development company - no US income but got the dreaded FATCA compliance letter from my bank last week. After reading through everyone's experiences, I'm confident that W-8BEN-E is the right form for my situation too. What really helped me understand was the explanation that this form is actually protective - it establishes that we're foreign entities without US tax obligations, rather than putting us "on the radar." One question for those who have completed this process: did anyone encounter issues with the beneficial ownership section (Part II)? My company has a somewhat complex ownership structure with multiple shareholders, and I want to make sure I'm reporting this correctly. The instructions mention reporting "substantial US owners" but since all our owners are non-US persons, I'm assuming this section might not apply to us? Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences - it's made what seemed like an overwhelming compliance requirement much more manageable!

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Great question about the beneficial ownership section! I had a similar concern with my multi-shareholder setup. Since you mentioned all your owners are non-US persons, you're correct that Part II likely won't require detailed reporting. The "substantial US owners" section is specifically looking for US persons who own 10% or more of your company. If all your shareholders are non-US persons, you would typically just need to check the box indicating that there are no substantial US owners to report. However, with complex ownership structures, it's worth double-checking the specific definitions in the form instructions. Sometimes what seems straightforward can have nuances depending on how ownership is structured (direct vs indirect ownership, trusts, etc.). One thing that helped me was sketching out our ownership structure on paper first, then mapping it against the reporting requirements. Made it much clearer what needed to be disclosed versus what could be left blank. Your software development income would definitely qualify you as Active NFFE too, assuming it's more than 50% of your gross income. That classification is much more straightforward for active business operations like software development.

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Ravi Patel

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I've been following this discussion as someone who recently went through a similar process with my Irish consulting firm. Just wanted to add a few practical points that might help others: 1) **Bank communication is key** - Don't hesitate to ask your bank's compliance team specific questions about their requirements. They deal with these forms regularly and can often clarify which sections are most important for their processes. 2) **Digital vs physical submission** - Some banks prefer digital submission through their secure portals, while others still want physical copies. Check their preferred method before completing the form to avoid having to redo it in a different format. 3) **Documentation backup** - Beyond keeping a copy of the completed W-8BEN-E, I'd recommend also saving any email correspondence with your bank about the requirement. This creates a clear paper trail showing you responded to their compliance request appropriately. For those still nervous about completing this form: remember that millions of foreign businesses complete W-8BEN-E forms annually as part of routine FATCA compliance. It's become a standard part of international banking, not an exceptional circumstance. The guidance in this thread about Active vs Passive NFFE classification and the three-year validity period is spot-on. Once you complete it correctly the first time, renewals are much easier since you'll have a template of what worked.

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Caleb Stone

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Really appreciate these practical tips, especially about checking bank preferences for digital vs physical submission! I hadn't thought about that aspect but it makes total sense - the last thing you want is to complete everything perfectly only to find out they needed it in a different format. Your point about this being routine for millions of businesses is really reassuring too. Sometimes when you're dealing with IRS forms for the first time, it feels like you're in uncharted territory, but you're right that this has become standard practice in international banking. The documentation backup advice is excellent - I'll definitely be saving all the email correspondence. Having that paper trail showing you responded appropriately to compliance requests could be really valuable if any questions come up later. Thanks for sharing these real-world insights from your experience with the Irish firm. It's helpful to see the practical side of the process beyond just understanding which form to use!

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