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Quick tip from someone who's done this twice: if you're looking to maximize the 12% bracket, consider spreading the donation over multiple years. If you donate the full $68k in one year but can only use $30k due to AGI limits, you might be pushing yourself into a lower bracket in future years when using the carryforward. Sometimes it's more tax-efficient to donate portions of the land over 2-3 years (if the charity is willing). I did this by subdividing my property and donating parcels in consecutive tax years. Saved me thousands in taxes by keeping more income in the 12% bracket each year rather than having one year at super low income and then jumping to 22% bracket in later years.
That's brilliant! I hadn't thought about the impact of carryforwards potentially pushing me into lower brackets in future years. Do you know if there are any restrictions on donating portions of a single property over multiple years? Would each donation require its own separate appraisal?
Yes, each separate donation would need its own appraisal, which is the main drawback (extra cost). You'd need to legally subdivide the property unless your state allows donation of partial interests in specific ways. Another approach I've seen is donating a percentage interest each year (like 50% ownership one year, 50% the next) but that gets legally complex and requires special language in the deed. Some conservation organizations are familiar with this approach, but many smaller nonprofits aren't equipped to handle it. Also keep in mind that tax brackets might change in the future, so what works under current law might not be optimal if there are legislative changes.
One important thing to verify with your nature preserve is whether they'll provide you with a contemporaneous written acknowledgment that meets IRS requirements. For donations over $250, you need this acknowledgment that includes a description of the property donated and a statement that no goods or services were provided in exchange (or the value if any were provided). Since this is adjacent land that will be incorporated into their existing preserve, make sure they provide written confirmation that the land will be used exclusively for conservation purposes and won't be sold. This "related use" documentation can be crucial if you're ever audited, as it supports your ability to deduct the full fair market value rather than being limited to your basis. Also, don't forget that you'll need to reduce your basis in the property to zero for tax purposes once you donate it, which shouldn't be an issue given your low $675 basis. The $67,325 difference between your basis and the fair market value won't trigger any immediate tax consequences to you, but it's worth noting for your records.
This is excellent advice about the contemporaneous written acknowledgment! I'm actually in the early stages of planning a similar donation and hadn't realized how specific the documentation needs to be. One follow-up question: does the "related use" confirmation need to be obtained before the donation is made, or can it be provided after the fact as long as it's before I file my tax return? I want to make sure I get the timing right since I'm still in discussions with the local land trust about exactly how they plan to manage the property once it's incorporated into their preserve. Also, when you mention reducing the basis to zero - does this need to be reported anywhere specific on the tax return, or is it just for my own record-keeping purposes?
Great question about timing! The contemporaneous written acknowledgment should ideally be obtained by the time you file your return, but it's generally acceptable to get it after the donation as long as it's before the filing deadline. However, I'd recommend getting it as close to the donation date as possible to avoid any potential issues. For the "related use" confirmation, you'll want this documented before or at the time of donation since it affects your ability to deduct fair market value. If the organization's intended use changes after the donation, it could potentially impact your deduction. Regarding the basis reduction - this is primarily for your record-keeping. When you donate the property, you're essentially disposing of an asset with a $675 basis for no monetary consideration. You don't need to report this as a separate line item on your tax return, but it's important for your records in case of future questions. The donation itself gets reported on Schedule A (if itemizing) and Form 8283, but the basis reduction is just an accounting matter on your end. Keep good documentation of both the original basis and the donation for your files!
One thing nobody has mentioned - there are significant differences between how attribution works for different TYPES of fringe benefits. Health insurance is handled one way, but company cars, education assistance, and group term life insurance might have different rules. For example, with health insurance, the S-Corp can still pay the premiums but they must be included in the W-2 as wages for anyone considered a 2% shareholder (including through attribution). But for something like an accountable plan for business expenses, the attribution rules apply differently. Might be worth looking at exactly which benefits you're trying to provide to make sure you're applying the right attribution rules for each specific benefit type.
This is a great discussion that really highlights how complex S-Corp attribution rules can be! I'm dealing with a similar situation in my family business and wanted to add one important consideration that might help clarify things. The key distinction here is that Section 318 attribution is automatic - it's not something you can opt out of or structure around easily. Once the attribution chain is established (father to son, then son to spouse), the daughter-in-law is treated as a 2% shareholder regardless of whether she actually owns any stock certificates. However, one thing to keep in mind is that the attribution only matters if it pushes someone over the 2% threshold. Since the father owns 100% in this case, any attribution will definitely exceed 2%, but in situations where the family member owns less, you might have different outcomes. Also worth noting - make sure to document everything properly. The IRS can be pretty strict about how fringe benefits are handled for attributed shareholders, so keeping good records of how premiums are paid and reported will save headaches later if there's ever an audit. Thanks for bringing up this topic - it's one of those areas where the rules seem straightforward but get complicated quickly in real family business situations!
Really appreciate you breaking this down so clearly! I've been struggling to understand why the attribution seems so "automatic" - it definitely feels like there should be some way to structure around it, but sounds like that's not really possible once the family relationships are in place. Quick question about your documentation point - what specific records would you recommend keeping? Just the premium payment records and W-2 reporting, or are there other things the IRS typically looks for during audits of family S-Corps? I'm trying to get our recordkeeping in order before we finalize how we handle benefits for the coming year. Better to be over-prepared than scrambling later!
Can anyone recommend good tax software that would make it easier to DIY instead of hiring someone? I've been using TurboTax but wondering if there's something better for someone with a small side business and regular W-2 job.
Thanks for the suggestion! I've never heard of FreeTaxUSA before. Does it walk you through the self-employment stuff step by step like TurboTax does? My side gig isn't complicated but I'm always afraid of missing something important.
Yes, FreeTaxUSA does a great job walking you through self-employment income step by step! It asks about business expenses, home office deductions, and mileage just like TurboTax does, but without the constant upselling. The interface is clean and they have good help articles if you get stuck. For a simple side business, it's definitely worth trying - you'll save money and get the same results.
Just wanted to add my experience - I've been using a tax preparer with PTIN/EFIN (no CPA) for 3 years now and she's been fantastic. What matters most is finding someone who specializes in situations like yours and stays current with tax law changes. My preparer does continuing education even though she's not required to as much as a CPA would be. Before hiring anyone, ask them specific questions about your situation - like what deductions they typically find for people with your income sources, how they handle W-4 optimization, etc. A good preparer will give you detailed answers regardless of their certification level. Also ask for references from clients with similar tax situations to yours. The fact that your person is working toward CPA certification actually shows they're committed to advancing their knowledge, which is a good sign in my book.
This is exactly why I love this community - seeing everyone jump in to help decode these confusing transcripts! šŖ From what you've shared, it looks like you've been through quite the journey. That 810 freeze code from March 2023 plus the amended return (977) definitely explains why things took so long. The examination codes (420/421) show they did a thorough review but closed it in April, which is actually great news! Those credits totaling over $11k ($3,599 + $7,935) are substantial - no wonder the IRS wanted to take a closer look. With the examination closed and the refund hold removed (577 code), you're definitely in a much better position now. Keep an eye out for that 846 code everyone's mentioning - that's your golden ticket showing the refund has actually been issued with a date. Given where you are in the process, I'd expect to see movement soon. The worst part (the examination) is behind you! Stay strong - you've made it through the hardest part of this process! š
Thanks for breaking this down Emma! š As someone new to this whole transcript thing, it's really reassuring to hear that the examination being closed is good news. I was honestly panicking when I saw all those codes - thought maybe I did something wrong on my taxes. The waiting has been brutal but knowing I'm past the worst part gives me hope. Really appreciate everyone in this community taking the time to help decode all this confusing IRS language!
This is such a relief to see someone else going through the same thing! I've been dealing with a similar situation - had a refund freeze last year and just went through an examination that finally closed a few weeks ago. Looking at your codes, you're actually in a really good spot! That 421 code showing your examination closed in April is huge - mine just closed and I can tell you the relief is real. The fact that they removed your refund hold (577) right after closing the exam is a great sign. Those credits you're seeing ($3,599 + $7,935) are legitimate and were processed back in April 2023, but the freeze kept them from being released. Now that everything's cleared, you should definitely be seeing an 846 code with a DDD (direct deposit date) soon. I know the waiting is absolutely brutal - I've been checking my transcript obsessively for months. But based on what I'm seeing here, you've cleared all the major hurdles. The IRS doesn't remove refund holds unless they're satisfied with their review. Hang in there - after almost two years of this process, you're finally at the finish line! š¤āØ
This gives me so much hope! š I've been checking my transcript like every day and getting more anxious when I don't see changes. It's really helpful to hear from someone who just went through the same process. Two years feels like forever but if you made it through, maybe there's light at the end of the tunnel for me too. Did you get any advance notice before your 846 code showed up or did it just appear one day? Trying to manage my expectations here lol
@Miguel Herrera For me, it literally just appeared overnight! I was checking every morning sometimes (twice a day let s'be real š and) one Tuesday it was just there - 846 code with a DDD for that Friday. No warning, no notice beforehand. The IRS moves in mysterious ways lol. But honestly after going through this whole process, I d'say once your examination closes and the hold is removed like yours has been, it s'usually just a matter of days to maybe 2 weeks max before the 846 drops. Keep checking but try not to stress yourself out too much - you re'so close! š¤
Luca Russo
Great question! As someone who's been through a similar situation, I can confirm what others have said about the complexity of ISO taxation. One thing I'd add is to consider the timing of your exercise in relation to your company's lock-up period ending (if applicable). Many people exercise right after IPO without realizing they can't sell during the lock-up, which can create cash flow issues if AMT kicks in. Also, since you mentioned your husband has significant short-term capital losses to carry forward, you might want to explore a mixed strategy: exercise some options now and hold (to start the long-term capital gains clock), and plan to exercise additional tranches in future years when you can immediately sell to utilize those losses. One more tip - if you're planning to exercise and hold, make sure you have enough cash set aside for the potential AMT hit. I've seen too many people get caught off guard by the tax bill on "paper gains" they haven't actually realized yet. The AMT can be substantial even when you haven't sold anything. Good luck with your decision!
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Isabella Russo
ā¢This is really helpful context about the lock-up period! I hadn't fully considered that timing aspect. My company's lock-up doesn't expire until September, so if I exercise now and hold, I'd definitely need to have cash ready for any AMT hit since I couldn't sell to cover it. The mixed strategy you mentioned sounds smart - exercising some now to start the clock, then doing more tranches later when I can actually sell and use my husband's losses. Do you have any rule of thumb for how to split it up? Like what percentage to exercise initially vs. waiting? Also, is there a way to estimate the AMT impact beforehand, or do you just have to run the numbers with a tax professional?
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Hunter Hampton
ā¢For estimating AMT impact beforehand, you can use IRS Form 6251 (Alternative Minimum Tax - Individuals) as a rough guide. The key number you need is the "AMT adjustment" which is basically the spread between your exercise price and fair market value at exercise. In your case, that would be $53 per option times however many you exercise. The actual AMT you owe depends on your other income and deductions, but a rough rule of thumb is that you might pay around 26-28% AMT rate on that spread if you're already in higher tax brackets. So if you exercise 1,000 options with a $53 spread, that's $53,000 in AMT preference items, potentially resulting in $14,000-$15,000 in additional AMT (very rough estimate). As for splitting strategy, I don't have a perfect rule of thumb since it depends on your total option count, current income, and future expectations. But many people I know start with maybe 20-30% of their total options to test the AMT waters and see how much cash flow impact they can handle. Then they reassess each year. Definitely run real numbers with a tax professional though - AMT calculations get complex when you factor in other deductions and income sources.
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Omar Hassan
One additional consideration that hasn't been mentioned much here is the impact on your overall tax planning strategy for the next few years. Since you have those significant short-term capital losses carried forward, you might want to think about this as a multi-year optimization problem rather than just a single decision. Here's what I'd consider: Calculate roughly how much of those losses you could utilize each year (remember there's a $3,000 annual limit for offsetting ordinary income, but unlimited for offsetting capital gains). Then work backwards to figure out an exercise schedule that maximizes your use of those losses while minimizing AMT impact. For example, if you have $50,000 in losses carried forward, you might want to plan exercises that generate short-term capital gains over multiple years to fully utilize them, rather than trying to use them all at once. Also, don't forget about the potential for "AMT credit carryforward" - if you do pay AMT in the year you exercise ISOs, you may be able to claim that as a credit in future years when your regular tax exceeds AMT. This can help offset some of the cash flow pain of paying AMT on paper gains. The tax code is definitely complex here, but with good planning you should be able to make this work in your favor!
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