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Unrelated to the original question but im curious - has anyone who itemized federally but took standard deduction at state level ever been audited? I've been doing this for three years and always worry it might trigger something
This is a great question and you're absolutely right to consider this approach! I went through the exact same analysis last year and ended up doing exactly what you're considering - itemizing federally while taking the standard deduction on my state return. Your math looks solid. With $19,500 in federal itemized deductions versus the standard deduction, itemizing federally makes clear sense. And you're correct that at the state level, you can't deduct state income taxes from state taxes, which often makes the remaining itemized deductions insufficient to beat the state standard deduction. One thing I'd suggest is double-checking your state's specific rules about which itemized deductions they allow, as some states have different thresholds or exclude certain federal deductions entirely. But in general, this mixed approach is not only legitimate but often optimal for taxpayers in situations like yours. You're definitely not missing anything obvious - you've identified a smart tax strategy!
Thanks for confirming this approach! I'm actually new to dealing with itemized deductions and was worried I was overthinking it. Can you clarify what you mean by checking state-specific rules about which deductions they allow? Are there common deductions that federal allows but states typically don't, besides the obvious SALT limitation? I want to make sure I'm not accidentally claiming something on my state return that I shouldn't be. My main itemized deductions are mortgage interest, property taxes, charitable contributions, and a small amount of medical expenses. Should I be concerned about any of these at the state level?
Has anyone successfully done the reasonable cause statement for late filing of 1120F? I'm in the same boat (Australian company) and unsure how detailed this needs to be. Is it enough to say I wasn't aware of the filing requirements as a foreign corp with no US presence?
You'll need more than just saying you weren't aware. The IRS wants to see that you took reasonable steps to understand your obligations and that you're making efforts to be compliant going forward. In your statement, include: 1. Specific reasons why you weren't aware (perhaps you consulted with someone who gave incorrect advice, or your business model changed) 2. The timing of when you discovered the requirement 3. Steps you took once you realized you needed to file 4. What procedures you're putting in place to ensure timely filing in the future Be honest but thorough. The IRS is more lenient with foreign entities that make honest efforts to comply once they discover their filing obligations.
I went through this exact situation last year with my Canadian consulting company. The key thing that saved me time and money was understanding that if you truly have no permanent establishment in the US (no office, employees, or fixed place of business), you might qualify for a simplified filing approach under the treaty. Before spending $4000+ on preparation fees, I'd recommend getting clarity on a few points: 1. Confirm your total US-source income - if it's minimal and you have no PE, some accountants can handle this as a "treaty-based return" which is less complex than a full 1120F with all schedules. 2. Look into the IRS's First Time Penalty Abatement program in addition to reasonable cause. If this is truly your first late filing, FTA might be easier to qualify for. 3. Consider reaching out to the IRS Practitioner Priority Service line (if you can get through) to ask specifically about filing requirements for Canadian corps with minimal US income and no PE. Sometimes they'll provide written guidance that can help reduce preparation complexity. The $5500 revenue versus $4000+ in fees ratio is definitely painful - I ended up finding a cross-border specialist who charged $1800 because we established I qualified for a simplified approach. Don't assume you need the most complex filing until you've confirmed your actual requirements.
This is incredibly helpful! I hadn't heard of the First Time Penalty Abatement program - that sounds like it might be simpler than going through the reasonable cause process. Do you know if FTA can be applied retroactively to penalties that haven't been assessed yet, or do you need to wait until the IRS actually sends you a penalty notice before requesting it? Also, when you mention the "simplified approach," does that mean filing a shorter version of the 1120F or is it a completely different form?
Something nobody mentioned yet - there were special employer tax credits during COVID (Employee Retention Credit) where employers could essentially get refunded for certain payroll taxes. But those programs have largely ended now, and there were strict eligibility requirements. Just mentioning it because some employers did get payroll tax "refunds" during that period, which might cause confusion about what's normally possible.
I heard some companies are still filing for those COVID credits retroactively? Is that true or am I too late for that now?
Yes, eligible employers can still claim the Employee Retention Credit retroactively by filing amended payroll tax returns (Form 941-X) for applicable quarters from 2020 and 2021. The statute of limitations gives you three years from the original filing date. However, be extremely careful with this. The IRS has flagged ERC claims as a high-audit area because of widespread abuse. Only claim it if you truly meet all the eligibility requirements about business disruption or revenue decline during the pandemic. Many businesses that started after the pandemic (like OP's) wouldn't qualify at all.
Make sure whatever accounting software you're using is correctly categorizing your employer portions of payroll taxes. QuickBooks and similar platforms should automatically mark these as deductible business expenses in the right category. I've seen some new business owners accidentally create custom categories that don't properly flow to tax forms later. Double check this before tax time!
Great point! I'm using QuickBooks Online and I assumed it was categorizing everything correctly, but now I'll definitely check. Is there a specific expense category name I should look for to make sure my employer portions of FICA are being recorded properly?
In QuickBooks Online, you should look for "Payroll Tax Expenses" or "Employer Payroll Taxes" in your chart of accounts. The employer portions of Social Security and Medicare should typically be categorized under something like "Payroll Tax Expense - Social Security" and "Payroll Tax Expense - Medicare" if you have it broken down by type. If you're running payroll through QuickBooks, it should automatically create these entries when you process payroll. But if you're doing payroll manually or through another service, make sure these employer contributions aren't getting lumped in with regular wages or other categories. You want them clearly identified as employer payroll tax expenses so they properly flow to the right line on your Schedule C (or whatever business return you're filing).
If I'm reading this correctly, it seems like this deferral only applies to the employee portion of Social Security tax (6.2%), not the Medicare portion (1.45%), right? And employers still have to pay their matching portion? Has anyone used TurboTax or other tax software to model how this might affect their 2025 return?
Yes, you're right - it's just the Social Security portion (6.2%) for employees. Employers still pay their matching portion, and Medicare taxes continue as normal for everyone. I tried modeling it in TaxAct, but since it's just a deferral and not forgiveness, it didn't show any actual tax savings - just a timing difference of when the tax is paid.
I'm really concerned about the timing of all this. The deferral period runs February through May 2025, but we're already in April - that's only about 2 months of actual deferral for most people. Is it really worth the administrative hassle and potential confusion for such a short period? Also, I notice the memo mentions that the Treasury Secretary is supposed to issue guidance to employers, but I haven't seen any official guidance yet. Without clear instructions, I can see why many employers might just choose not to implement this at all. Has anyone's employer actually started the deferral process, or are most companies still waiting for more details? The whole thing feels rushed, especially since we're already partway through the tax year. I'm wondering if this is more about political messaging than actual tax relief, given how short the deferral period is and how close we are to tax filing season.
You raise really good points about the timing. I'm new to understanding these tax policies, but it does seem like starting a deferral program in April when the period runs through May is pretty short notice for employers to implement. My company's payroll department told us they're still waiting for official Treasury guidance before making any decisions, which makes sense given the administrative complexity you mentioned. It seems like by the time employers figure out the logistics and update their payroll systems, we might be halfway through May already. As someone who's still learning about tax policy, I'm curious - is this kind of short-term deferral actually helpful for most people, or does it just create more paperwork headaches? The repayment aspect seems particularly concerning if people aren't prepared for it.
Malik Johnson
Has anyone used TurboTax Self-Employed for this situation? We're trying to figure out if we need to upgrade from the regular version we've used in past years. My husband just started doing photography on the side.
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Isabella Santos
ā¢We used TurboTax Self-Employed last year when my wife started her etsy shop and I still had my regular job. It worked pretty well - walks you through all the Schedule C stuff and helps identify deductions. Definitely worth the upgrade from the regular version if you have any business income to report. It also helps with those quarterly estimated payments.
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Scarlett Forster
Great question! Your wife can definitely start a sole proprietorship while you continue your full-time job. Since you file jointly, you'll include her business income and expenses on Schedule C of your joint return - no need for separate filings. A few key things to keep in mind: 1. **Self-employment tax**: Your wife will need to pay self-employment tax (15.3%) on any profit from the business, which covers Social Security and Medicare taxes. 2. **Quarterly estimated taxes**: If she expects to owe $1,000 or more in taxes from the business, she should make quarterly payments to avoid penalties. You can use Form 1040-ES to calculate these. 3. **Business losses**: Yes, any business losses can offset your joint income, potentially lowering your overall tax bill. Just make sure to keep detailed records to show it's a legitimate business and not a hobby. 4. **Record keeping**: Get a separate business bank account and credit card, save all receipts, and track mileage for business use. Good documentation is crucial, especially for deductions like home office expenses. Since your combined income will likely be higher with the business, consider setting aside 25-30% of her business income for taxes to be safe. You might also want to adjust your W-4 withholding to cover the additional tax liability instead of making quarterly payments.
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Zara Ahmed
ā¢This is really helpful! One thing I'm still confused about - if my spouse's business loses money in the first year (which seems likely with startup costs), does that actually reduce our overall tax bill? Like if I make $78k and her business loses $5k, do we only pay taxes on $73k? That seems almost too good to be true. Also, what counts as legitimate startup costs that we can deduct right away?
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Anastasia Popova
ā¢Yes, you're absolutely right! If your spouse's business has a legitimate loss of $5k in the first year, it does reduce your taxable income from $78k to $73k on your joint return. This can result in real tax savings - potentially $1,100-1,200 less in taxes depending on your tax bracket. For startup costs, you can typically deduct up to $5,000 in business startup expenses in the first year (with the remainder amortized over 15 years). This includes things like: - Business registration fees and permits - Market research and advertising to launch the business - Professional services (attorney, accountant consultations) - Equipment and supplies needed to start operations - Initial inventory purchases - Website development and branding costs Just remember the IRS has "hobby loss" rules - they want to see that you're genuinely trying to make a profit. Keep detailed records showing business intent, like a business plan, marketing efforts, and professional development. As long as you can demonstrate it's a real business venture and not just a tax writeoff, those losses are completely legitimate! The key is treating it like a real business from day one with proper record-keeping and business practices.
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