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Your cousin might want to consider proper legal structuring here. Having some properties in personal name and others in an LLC is creating confusion. He might benefit from putting ALL properties into LLCs (maybe separate LLCs for liability purposes) but then having all of those LLCs owned by a holding company that could elect S-Corp taxation. This way, he gets liability protection for all properties, potential self-employment tax savings on the management portion of his activities, and clearer separation between his rental business and handyman service business.

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I disagree. Having too many LLCs creates unnecessary complexity and filing requirements. The annual costs of maintaining multiple LLCs (state fees, registered agent fees, etc.) would likely outweigh any tax benefits for small rental properties, especially in "low income neighborhoods" as mentioned. Plus, many banks won't allow you to have conventional mortgages in LLCs - they require commercial loans which have higher rates.

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Hazel Garcia

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There's another important consideration here that I haven't seen mentioned - the passive activity loss rules. Since your cousin has a handyman business (which generates active income), he needs to be careful about how rental losses interact with his other income. If he's actively managing the rental properties (collecting rent, finding tenants, making management decisions), he might qualify for the $25,000 rental loss deduction against his handyman income, but this phases out at higher income levels. However, if he's paying his handyman business for work on the rentals, this could actually reduce his rental losses and affect this calculation. Also, regarding the LLC properties on Schedule C - this is definitely incorrect as others have mentioned. LLCs are typically disregarded entities for tax purposes unless they elect corporate taxation. The rental income should still go on Schedule E regardless of the LLC structure. One more thing to consider: if he's serious about building the handyman business, he should consider whether having it work primarily on his own properties might hurt his ability to claim it's a legitimate business activity rather than just a hobby or tax avoidance scheme. The IRS looks at factors like profit motive, time spent, expertise, and success in making profits when determining if something is a business.

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Nia Jackson

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This is such a helpful breakdown of the passive activity rules! I hadn't even thought about how paying his handyman business could actually reduce his rental losses and affect that $25,000 deduction. The point about legitimacy of the handyman business is really important too. If most of his handyman income comes from his own properties, wouldn't that make it look more like a tax shelter than a real business? Should he be actively seeking outside clients to strengthen his case that it's a legitimate business operation? Also, do you know if there are any specific documentation requirements he should follow to prove active participation in managing the rentals? I assume just doing the physical work himself wouldn't count as "active management" for the passive loss rules.

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Zoe Wang

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Does anyone know if the 15% min tax applies to private companies too or just publicly traded ones? My family has ownership in a large private manufacturing business and I'm trying to figure out if this would impact us.

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It applies to any corporation with average annual adjusted financial statement income over $1 billion for three consecutive tax years, regardless of whether they're public or private. But there are some special rules for companies under common control and corporations that have been in existence for less than 3 years.

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GalaxyGlider

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Thanks for all these insights! As someone who works in corporate finance, I wanted to add that companies are also looking at their international structures more carefully now. Since the minimum tax is based on consolidated financial statement income, multinational corporations can't just shift profits to low-tax jurisdictions to avoid it like they could with regular corporate tax. However, there are some nuances around foreign tax credits that create planning opportunities. Companies with significant foreign operations might restructure how they organize their international subsidiaries to optimize the interaction between the minimum tax and foreign tax credit limitations. Also worth noting - the IRS is still working on final regulations for implementation, so some of the finer details are still being hammered out. Companies are having to make strategic decisions based on proposed guidance that could still change.

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This is really helpful context about the international aspects! I'm curious - do you know if there are any specific industries or business models that might be more vulnerable to this minimum tax than others? Like, would tech companies with high intangible asset values face different challenges compared to traditional manufacturing companies when it comes to these book-tax differences? Also, since you mentioned the regulations are still being finalized, are there any particular areas where companies are waiting for more clarity before making major structural changes?

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Nia Jackson

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Is anyone else confused by the Code J in Box 12? I'm going through this exact same situation and my W-2c has a code J but the amount doesn't match what was actually paid to me. From what I can tell reading IRS pub 15-A, code J should show the amount of non-taxable sick pay. Anyone understand what's going on with that?

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The Code J in Box 12 should show the total amount of sick pay that's non-taxable. If that amount doesn't match what you were paid, there could be a couple of explanations: 1. If your employer paid a portion of the premiums, only the portion of sick pay corresponding to what YOU paid would be non-taxable. 2. There might be a calculation error on their part. I'd recommend contacting the third-party administrator and asking them to explain the discrepancy. Request an itemized breakdown showing how they calculated the amount in Box 12 with Code J. If they can't provide a satisfactory explanation, you might need to escalate to their compliance department.

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I just want to add another perspective based on my experience as someone who handles payroll for a small business. Third-party administrators often struggle with sick pay taxation because the rules are complex and depend entirely on who paid the premiums. The key thing to remember is that if you paid 100% of the disability insurance premiums with after-tax dollars, then ALL the sick pay benefits are non-taxable to you. The administrator should never have withheld federal income tax in the first place. What I've seen happen is that many third-party administrators have default settings in their payroll systems that automatically withhold taxes from all payments, regardless of the tax status. They then try to "fix" it later with corrected forms, but often mess up the correction process. For your situation, I'd recommend keeping detailed records of everything - your premium payment receipts showing you paid with after-tax dollars, both W-2 forms, and any correspondence with the administrator. When you file your return, the IRS will see the withholding credit and issue your refund, but having good documentation will help if there are any questions later. Also, consider filing a complaint with your state's insurance commissioner if the third-party administrator continues to provide incorrect tax documents. They have regulatory authority over these companies and can often resolve issues faster than dealing with the company directly.

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Sofia Perez

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This is really helpful insight from someone who actually handles payroll! I'm dealing with this exact situation and it's reassuring to know that the automatic withholding thing is a common system issue rather than something more complicated. Quick question - when you mention filing a complaint with the state insurance commissioner, does that typically result in the administrator fixing their processes for future cases, or is it mainly just to resolve individual issues? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort since I should be able to get my money back through my tax return anyway. Also, do you know if there are any penalties or interest that third-party administrators face when they make these kinds of mistakes? It seems like they're creating a lot of extra work for taxpayers when they mess up the tax withholding and reporting.

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Ethan Moore

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If you're married, don't forget about filing separately! My spouse makes way more than me, and filing separately let me qualify for Roth contributions based on just my income. The downside is you lose some other tax benefits tho.

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Filing separately can actually be a terrible idea for Roth eligibility - the income limit for married filing separately is only $10,000 if you lived together during the year. Above that, you can't contribute to a Roth at all! It's a common misconception that filing separately lets each spouse use the single filer Roth limits.

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Adding to all the great advice here - one strategy that's often overlooked is maximizing your traditional IRA contribution if you're eligible. Even if you have a 401(k) or 457(b) at work, you might still be able to deduct traditional IRA contributions depending on your income level. For 2024, if you're single and your AGI is under $77,000 (or married filing jointly under $123,000), you can get the full $7,000 traditional IRA deduction even with a workplace plan. The deduction phases out at higher incomes but you might still get a partial deduction. This could be the extra AGI reduction you need to get under the Roth limits! Plus, if you end up over the Roth limits anyway, you can always convert that traditional IRA to a Roth later through the backdoor conversion method you mentioned for next year. Just make sure to check the exact income limits for your filing status and whether you qualify for the deduction with your workplace retirement plan.

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Kelsey Chin

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This is really helpful! I didn't realize there were income limits for traditional IRA deductibility when you have a workplace plan. So just to make sure I understand - if I'm single and my current AGI (before any IRA contribution) is say $75,000, I could contribute $7,000 to a traditional IRA and that would bring my AGI down to $68,000 for Roth eligibility purposes? And then if I'm still over the Roth limits even with the 457(b) and traditional IRA contributions, I could convert that traditional IRA to a Roth next year when I'm ready to do the backdoor conversion? That seems like a win-win strategy. Do you know if there's any timing issue with making the traditional IRA contribution and then converting it later, or any other gotchas I should be aware of?

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Sean Kelly

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This is really helpful information everyone! As someone new to self-employment, I was definitely overthinking this. It sounds like the key takeaway is that the 1099-NEC is just a tracking document - I still only report my actual business income once on Schedule C, and that includes everything clients paid me regardless of whether they issued a 1099 or not. The sales tax clarification is huge too. I've been charging sales tax but wasn't sure how it should appear on the 1099-NEC. It's reassuring to know that if a client mistakenly includes sales tax in the 1099 amount, I can offset it as an expense so I'm not paying income tax on money that belongs to the state. Thanks for breaking this down in plain English - much clearer than the IRS publications I was trying to decipher!

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Welcome to the self-employment club! You've got the right mindset now. One thing I'd add that helped me when I started - keep really detailed records of everything. Even if a payment seems small or informal, document it. I use a simple spreadsheet to track all income (with notes about whether I received a 1099 for it), all expenses, and sales tax collected/remitted. When tax time comes around, you'll have everything organized instead of scrambling to remember what happened months ago. TurboTax becomes much easier when you have clean records to work from. Also, don't forget about quarterly estimated tax payments if you're making decent money - that caught me off guard my first year!

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Evelyn Kim

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Great thread! I'm also new to consulting and have been wrestling with similar 1099-NEC questions. One thing that really helped me understand this better was learning that the 1099-NEC threshold is $600 - meaning clients only have to send you one if they paid you $600 or more during the tax year. But like others mentioned, you still have to report ALL income regardless of whether you get a form. For the sales tax piece, I'd recommend keeping very detailed records of what you collected versus what you actually earned. I create separate line items on my invoices so it's crystal clear what portion is my service fee versus sales tax. This makes it much easier to explain to clients what should go on the 1099-NEC (hint: just the service portion) and helps me track everything correctly for both federal income tax and state sales tax filings. The W-9 form you filled out just gives your client your taxpayer info so they can properly report the payments to the IRS. It's not a tax form you file - it's just paperwork that enables the 1099-NEC process.

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