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Has anyone actually gotten audited for making a mistake on Form 4797? I'm in a similar situation and honestly considering just claiming the full loss because its confusing and the odds of getting audited seem so low.
Bad idea. Business vehicle deductions and form 4797 are actually audit triggers. My cousin tried exactly what you're suggesting in 2023 and got audited last year. Ended up owing the original tax plus penalties and interest. Not worth it.
I've been through a similar situation with a totaled delivery vehicle. One important detail that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you received any insurance payout for the vehicle, that needs to be factored into your Form 4797 calculation too. The loss isn't just (original cost - salvage value). It's actually (adjusted basis - total amount received), where "total amount received" includes both the salvage yard payment AND any insurance money you got. So if you got insurance money on top of that $375 from the salvage yard, your actual loss would be smaller. Make sure you're including all proceeds when calculating the loss on Form 4797, not just what the salvage yard paid you. Also agreeing with the tax preparer above - if you've been using standard mileage deduction, you can't claim this loss at all on Form 4797. The depreciation component is already baked into that 65.5 cents per mile rate you've been claiming.
Has anybody used TurboTax for multiple Schedule C forms? Their interface is confusing me when trying to allocate home expenses between different businesses.
I used TurboTax Self-Employed last year for my two side hustles. You need to create separate Schedule C sections for each business, and when you get to the home office part, it should ask if you've already claimed this space for another business. Then it helps you allocate the percentage between them. Make sure you're using the Self-Employed version though, not Deluxe or Premier, or you won't get the full Schedule C support.
Just wanted to add some clarity on the home office deduction allocation since I went through this exact situation last year. When you have multiple businesses operating from the same home space, the IRS expects you to use a reasonable method to allocate expenses. The most common approaches are: 1. Time-based allocation - if you spend 70% of your work hours on consulting and 30% on VA services, split your home office deduction accordingly 2. Revenue-based allocation - divide based on the income each business generates 3. Equal allocation - 50/50 split if both businesses use the space equally Document whichever method you choose with records like time logs, income statements, or usage schedules. The key is being consistent and reasonable - the IRS cares more about having a logical system than the specific method you use. Also, that $1,500 tax bill might be accurate unfortunately. Remember that as a self-employed person, you're paying both regular income tax AND self-employment tax (Social Security and Medicare) on your net profit. Even small amounts of self-employment income can result in surprising tax bills due to the 15.3% self-employment tax rate.
This is really helpful, thank you! I'm new to self-employment taxes and that 15.3% self-employment tax rate explains why my estimated tax bill was so much higher than I expected. I was only calculating regular income tax rates in my head. For the allocation methods you mentioned, would it be okay to use time-based allocation for one type of expense (like home office) but revenue-based for something else like internet costs? Or do I need to pick one method and stick with it for all shared expenses? Also, do you know if there's a minimum income threshold where the self-employment tax kicks in? I'm wondering if keeping each business under a certain amount might help with the tax burden.
After an entire MONTH of constantly refreshing my transcript and getting nowhere, I finally just called the IRS using claimyr.com and got right through to an agent. Turns out there was a simple verification issue they needed to clear up, and my refund was processed right away. Talking to an actual human solved in 10 minutes what I spent weeks stressing about. Worth every penny to finally get my $4,700 refund!
Have you tried calling the IRS lately? It's nearly impossible to get through - busy signals, disconnects after waiting an hour, etc. This service actually navigates all that for you and gets you a callback without the hassle. I was skeptical too but was desperate after weeks of trying.
For real tho! I tried calling over 30 times myself and never got through. Used this last week and had an agent on the phone within an hour. They fixed my issue in minutes.
Based on my experience dealing with the IRS for years, transcripts definitely update overnight during batch processing cycles, not throughout the day. The main update cycle is Thursday night/Friday morning, but there can also be smaller updates other weekdays depending on your processing cycle. Since you filed in April and it's been this long, there might be an issue with your return that's causing the delay. The transcript will usually show error codes or holds if there's a problem. I'd recommend checking your cycle code (the 8-digit number on your transcript) - if it ends in 05, you're on the weekly cycle and only need to check Friday mornings. If you really need answers about the delay, calling the IRS is your best bet, though I know it's frustrating getting through. But obsessively checking multiple times a day will just drive you crazy without giving you any new info!
This is really helpful, thanks! I just checked my transcript and my cycle code ends in 05, so I guess I'm on the weekly Friday updates. That actually makes me feel better knowing I don't need to keep checking obsessively every few hours. I think part of my anxiety is just not knowing what's normal vs what indicates a real problem. Do you know if there's a typical timeframe where I should start worrying if I filed in April and still haven't seen movement?
This is a really nuanced decision that depends heavily on your specific financial situation. I've been through a similar analysis with my manufacturing business, and one thing I'd add is to consider the cash flow implications beyond just the tax benefits. When you personally purchase the equipment, you're tying up your personal capital (or taking on personal debt) that could be used elsewhere. The S-Corp lease payments become a fixed monthly expense, which can actually help with budgeting and cash flow management for the business. Also worth noting - if your S-Corp ever needs additional financing, having the equipment owned personally can sometimes complicate loan applications since the collateral isn't owned by the borrowing entity. Some lenders prefer when the business owns its core operational assets. Before making this decision, I'd strongly recommend running actual numbers on both scenarios using your projected income, tax brackets, and the specific equipment costs. The "best" choice really varies based on your personal vs. business tax situations, how long you plan to keep the equipment, and your overall financial goals.
Great point about the cash flow and financing implications! I'm just starting to think through this arrangement and hadn't considered how it might affect future lending decisions. When you went through your analysis, did you find any particular scenarios where the personal ownership route made more sense, or was it pretty case-by-case? I'm trying to figure out if there are any general rules of thumb before I dive into running all the numbers.
I've been following this discussion and wanted to share my experience from the lender's perspective, since I work in commercial lending. James raises an excellent point about financing complications that people often overlook. When evaluating loan applications, we generally prefer when businesses own their core operational assets because it strengthens the company's balance sheet and provides clearer collateral. Personal ownership of business-critical equipment can create several issues: 1. The personal guarantor's debt-to-income ratio gets impacted by the equipment financing, which can limit their borrowing capacity 2. Cross-collateralization becomes more complex when assets are split between personal and business ownership 3. If the business fails, there's no automatic way for us to claim equipment that's personally owned (even though it's used in the business) That said, it's not a deal-breaker - just adds complexity. We've worked with plenty of clients who have this arrangement, but they often need higher down payments or additional collateral to offset the increased risk. My advice would be to factor in your future capital needs when making this decision. If you're planning to expand or may need equipment financing down the road, keeping everything under the S-Corp might be the cleaner approach, even if it's not optimal from a pure tax perspective.
This is really valuable insight from the lending side that I hadn't considered! As someone new to this whole setup, I'm wondering - when you say "higher down payments or additional collateral," are we talking significantly higher? Like 10-20% more, or is it more substantial? Also, if someone already has this personal ownership arrangement in place, is there any way to "clean it up" later by transferring the equipment to the business, or does that create its own tax complications? I'm trying to understand if this is a decision I need to get right from the start or if there's flexibility to adjust course later. Thanks for sharing the lender perspective - definitely something I need to factor into my decision making process!
Giovanni Colombo
This is really helpful info! I had no idea about refundable credits for people with zero income. Just to clarify though - when you say "enter $1" as a workaround, does that create any problems later? Like, am I technically lying on my tax return if my actual income was $0? I want to make sure I'm doing this correctly and not accidentally committing tax fraud or something. Also, does anyone know if there's a time limit on filing these zero-income returns? Like if I should have filed last year but didn't, can I still go back and file for 2023 to claim any credits I might have missed?
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Sophia Bennett
ā¢Great questions! For the $1 workaround - it's definitely not ideal to put incorrect information on your return. If your actual income was $0, you should report $0. The better approach is to use tax software that properly handles zero income entries, or file the forms directly with the IRS where you can enter actual zeros. Regarding time limits - yes, you can generally file returns for previous years! You typically have 3 years from the original due date to file and claim refunds/credits you missed. So for 2023, you'd have until April 2027 to file and claim any refundable credits. The IRS actually encourages people to file these "late" returns if they're owed money. I'd recommend using one of the tools mentioned earlier like taxr.ai to analyze what you might be eligible for, since there could be credits you're not aware of. Much better than guessing with the $1 entry!
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Max Reyes
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar boat - had minimal income last year and thought I was off the hook for taxes. After reading through everyone's experiences, I'm definitely going to look into filing a zero-income return. One thing I'm curious about - has anyone dealt with filing when you had some gig work income but it was under the reporting threshold? I did some freelance work that totaled maybe $400 for the whole year, all through apps that probably didn't send me 1099s. I'm wondering if that changes whether I should file or not, and if those small amounts would affect any credits I might qualify for. Also really appreciate the practical tool recommendations here. Sounds like there are actually good resources out there to help navigate this confusing situation, unlike what that sketchy tax app support told the OP!
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