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Yuki Sato

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Don't forget to update your operating agreement! When I sold half of my LLC that owned investment properties, I was so focused on the tax implications that I nearly overlooked updating the operating agreement to reflect the new ownership structure. This is especially important when dealing with debt because you want clarity on who's responsible for what if things go south.

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This is really good advice. My buddy didn't properly update his operating agreement when bringing in partners to his equipment leasing LLC, and when one partner wanted out two years later, it was a complete mess figuring out how to handle the debt obligations. Led to a lawsuit that cost way more than what a proper agreement would have cost.

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Great question Diego! I went through almost the exact same situation about 18 months ago with my LLC that owned a warehouse property. The key thing to understand is that you're selling an ownership interest in the entity, not transferring debt directly to the new partner. Since your personal guarantee with the bank remains unchanged, there's no debt forgiveness event for tax purposes. The LLC's debt obligations stay with the LLC - they don't disappear or get "forgiven" just because ownership changes. What you're essentially doing is selling half of your equity position while maintaining your full personal liability to the lender. For tax purposes, you'll need to calculate your basis in the 50% interest you're selling (including your share of the LLC's liabilities) and compare that to the $75k you're receiving to determine if you have a capital gain or loss. The fact that you'll have a smaller percentage share of the LLC's future profits doesn't create a taxable debt forgiveness event. I'd definitely recommend getting this documented properly though - both for your records and to make sure the IRS understands the structure if they ever ask questions. The 26 CFR 1.1001-3 regulation you mentioned is on the right track, but since you're not modifying the original loan terms or your guarantee, it shouldn't apply to create a taxable event.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a very similar situation - divorced in 2015, modified the agreement in 2024 with no mention of tax implications. After reading everyone's experiences, I feel much more confident about continuing to take the deduction. What really stands out to me is how consistent everyone's advice has been: if the modification doesn't explicitly state that the new tax rules apply, then the original pre-2019 treatment continues. The IRS seems to have written this rule pretty clearly - they require express language, not implied or assumed changes. For anyone else in this situation, I'd recommend: 1. Keep copies of both your original divorce decree AND the modification 2. Make sure your ex-spouse understands they still need to report the payments as income 3. Consider adding protective language to any future modifications (like @Rudy Cenizo suggested) 4. Keep detailed records of all payments It's frustrating that the IRS publications aren't clearer about this, but based on everyone's real-world experiences here, it seems like we're interpreting the law correctly. Thanks to everyone who shared their stories - it's so much more helpful than trying to decode tax publications alone!

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This has been such an eye-opening discussion! As someone new to this community, I really appreciate how everyone has shared their actual experiences rather than just theoretical advice. I'm going through a divorce right now (started in 2024) so the new rules will apply to me regardless, but reading about all the complications with modifications to older agreements makes me realize how important it is to be very specific about tax language in divorce documents. It sounds like so many people are dealing with ambiguous wording that creates uncertainty years later. @Zoe Papanikolaou your summary is really helpful - I m'saving this thread as a reference. Even though my situation is different, the advice about keeping detailed records and making sure both parties understand their tax obligations applies to everyone dealing with alimony. It s'clear that consistency between ex-spouses in how they report these payments is crucial for avoiding IRS issues down the road. Thanks to everyone for sharing your real experiences. It s'so much more valuable than trying to figure this out from IRS publications alone!

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StarStrider

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This entire discussion has been so valuable! As someone who went through a similar situation with a 2014 divorce agreement modified in 2023, I can confirm that the consensus here is absolutely correct. The key really is whether your modification contains explicit language about adopting the new tax rules. What I'd add from my experience is that it's worth having a conversation with your ex-spouse about this before tax season to make sure you're both on the same page. In my case, my ex had heard from friends that "alimony isn't taxable anymore" and stopped reporting it as income in 2023. This created a mismatch that could have triggered issues for both of us. I had to show them the actual tax code and explain that for our pre-2019 agreement (even with modifications), the old rules still apply unless specifically changed. Now we both file consistently - I deduct, they report as income - and everything works smoothly. The bottom line for anyone in this situation: silence in your modification is your friend, but communication with your ex-spouse is essential to avoid filing inconsistencies that draw IRS attention.

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@StarStrider This is such an important point about communication with your ex-spouse! I'm new to this community but dealing with a very similar situation - my 2016 divorce agreement was modified in 2024 without any explicit tax language. Your experience with your ex-spouse thinking "alimony isn't taxable anymore" really resonates with me. I've been worried about exactly this scenario. The tax law changes got a lot of general media coverage, but most people don't understand the nuances about pre-2019 agreements and modifications. I think I need to have this conversation with my ex before we both file our 2025 taxes. Do you have any advice on how to approach this diplomatically? Our relationship is cordial but not particularly warm, and I don't want them to think I'm trying to manipulate them or avoid my tax obligations. Also, did you end up needing to provide any documentation to prove the old rules still applied to your situation, or was the explanation sufficient? I'm trying to prepare for that conversation and want to have the right information ready. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly the kind of real-world insight I was hoping to find here!

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810 Freeze Since March - Amended Return Filed May 26th - IRS Transcript Shows "Return Not Present" - Anyone Experience the Real 16 Week Timeline?

Been dealing with this 810 freeze since March after filing in February. Finally got my amended return submitted end of May. The IRS rep said 16 weeks for processing but idk if thats actually true. Anyone else dealt with this and know the real timeline? I pulled my Account Transcript from the IRS website today and here's what it shows: FORM NUMBER: 1040 TAX PERIOD: Dec. 31. 2022 ACCOUNT BALANCE: $0.00 ACCRUED INTEREST: $0.00 AS OF: Jun. 19, 2023 ACCRUED PENALTY: $0.00 AS OF: Jun. 19, 2023 ACCOUNT BALANCE PLUS ACCRUALS (this is not a payoff amount): $0.00 FILING STATUS: Head of Household The "INFORMATION FROM THE RETURN OR AS ADJUSTED" section shows "RETURN NOT PRESENT FOR THIS ACCOUNT" which is concerning. Under TRANSACTIONS, I see: CODE EXPLANATION OF TRANSACTION - CYCLE - DATE - AMOUNT No tax return filed 810 Refund freeze - 03-09-2023 - $0.00 971 Amended tax return or claim - 05-26-2023 - $0.00 forwarded for processing 977 Amended return filed - 05-26-2023 - $0.00 43277-550-06373-3 So my timeline matches exactly what happened - the 810 freeze hit in March, and then my amended return was received and forwarded for processing on May 26th. The IRS rep told me 16 weeks from May 26th, but that seems like forever. Has anyone actually had their 810 freeze resolved after submitting an amended return? Did it really take the full 16 weeks? The transcript doesn't show any updates since May 26th and I'm getting worried.

Chloe Harris

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Just got my amended return processed after 4 months. Had to call my congressman to help push it through tho. Might wanna try that route if it goes past 16 weeks tbh

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how do you even contact your congressman about this?

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Chloe Harris

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Google your district rep, most have tax help forms on their website

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I went through this exact same situation last year - 810 freeze in March, amended return filed in May. Mine actually took about 20 weeks total, but I saw movement on my transcript around week 14 with code updates. The key is watching for any new transaction codes to appear. Also, don't panic about the "Return Not Present" message - that's normal during the amendment review process. The IRS basically puts your original return in limbo while they work on the amended version. Keep checking your transcripts weekly and if you hit the 20-week mark with zero movement, definitely consider the congressional route mentioned above.

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Chloe Taylor

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I am so deeply sorry for your loss, PaulineW. What you and your family are going through is heartbreaking beyond words, and please know that asking these practical questions doesn't diminish your grief or love for your son - it shows you're being responsible during an impossible time. Everyone here has given you excellent advice about the Child Tax Credit, and I want to emphasize that you absolutely qualify. Your son's life, however brief, matters and the tax code recognizes this. The IRS considers any child born alive during the tax year as eligible for the Child Tax Credit, regardless of how long they lived. I wanted to add a few additional points that might help: 1. When you apply for the posthumous Social Security Number, you can also request expedited processing by explaining your circumstances. The SSA sometimes prioritizes these cases, especially when tax deadlines are involved. 2. Consider speaking with a tax professional who has experience with these sensitive situations. Many CPAs and tax preparers have dealt with similar cases and can guide you through the process with the compassion and expertise you need. 3. If you had pregnancy complications or your son required any medical care during his brief life, all of those expenses can potentially be included in your medical deductions along with your ongoing grief counseling costs. Please take care of yourself first. The financial matters will work out, but your healing is the priority. Your son's brief presence in this world was meaningful, and claiming these benefits is simply part of honoring his life and taking care of your family during this difficult time.

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Grant Vikers

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This is such thoughtful and comprehensive advice, Chloe. I wanted to add one more thing that helped me when I was in a similar situation - many local CPA firms offer free or reduced-rate services for families dealing with infant loss, especially during tax season. Some even have partnerships with grief support organizations. @PaulineW, if the thought of handling all this paperwork feels overwhelming right now, you might also consider asking a trusted family member or friend to help you organize the documents and make some of the initial phone calls. Sometimes having someone else handle the administrative details can free up your emotional energy for healing. Your strength in reaching out and asking these questions is incredible. Your son's life had meaning and impact, and taking care of these practical matters is part of taking care of yourself and honoring his memory. Please be patient with yourself as you navigate this difficult time.

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I am so deeply sorry for your loss, PaulineW. Losing a child is an unimaginable tragedy, and my heart goes out to you and your family during this devastating time. I wanted to share something that might provide some immediate relief for your financial stress. Many people don't realize that if you're temporarily unable to work due to grief and trauma (which is completely understandable), you may qualify for short-term disability benefits through your employer or state programs. Some states also have temporary family leave programs that provide partial income replacement during times like this. Additionally, I'd encourage you to look into local religious organizations, community foundations, and nonprofit groups in your area - many have emergency assistance funds specifically for families facing infant loss. These funds can sometimes help with immediate expenses like medical bills, therapy costs, or basic living expenses while you take time to heal. Regarding the tax situation, everyone here has given you excellent advice about the Child Tax Credit. Your son's brief life absolutely qualifies him for this benefit, and claiming it is not something to feel guilty about - it's recognition that his life mattered, no matter how short. Please don't rush yourself through any of this. These benefits and assistance programs will still be available when you feel ready to pursue them. Right now, focus on taking care of yourself and allowing yourself to grieve. You're being incredibly strong by even thinking about these practical matters during such a difficult time. Your son's life had meaning and value, and honoring that includes making sure you and your family are taken care of during this impossible period.

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When should I file nonresident state tax returns for MLP investments? (LA, NM, OH, OK, PA)

I made what I now consider to be a huge mistake in early 2024 by investing in Energy Transfer MLP. I sold it after only about a month once I realized the tax headache I was creating for myself. Now I have this K-1 state schedule with the following non-zero income values: Louisiana: $4 New Mexico: $5 Ohio: $3 Oklahoma: $7 Pennsylvania: $9 Everything else shows $0 across all other states. From what I've researched, it seems like I need to file nonresident returns in Louisiana, New Mexico, and Ohio because they require filing if there's ANY income sourced from the state. But I'm confused about Oklahoma and Pennsylvania - do I need to file there too? The actual tax due would be $0 in all these states, so I'd essentially just be filing to meet reporting requirements. Here's what I found for some states: For Louisiana: "Louisiana residents, part-year residents, and nonresidents with income from Louisiana sources who are required to file a federal income tax return must file a Louisiana Individual Income Tax Return." For Ohio: "Ohio imposes personal income tax on individuals residing in this state, earning or receiving income in this state... This filing requirement applies to each nonresident individual whose federal adjusted gross income includes any income earned or received in Ohio by a pass-through entity unless the entity files a composite Ohio return on behalf of its nonresident owners." Am I understanding this correctly? And what about OK and PA - do I need to file there too?

Ryan Andre

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This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was looking for! Thank you @Kingston Bellamy for the specific thresholds. Based on what you've shared, it sounds like I really only need to worry about Louisiana and New Mexico from my list, and even then the enforcement risk seems minimal for such small amounts. I think I'm going to take the practical approach and file in Louisiana and New Mexico just to be safe (since they seem to be the most strict), but skip Ohio, Oklahoma, and Pennsylvania since I'm clearly below their thresholds. One follow-up question - do you know if these state thresholds get updated regularly? I want to make sure I'm working with current information before making my final decision.

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NebulaNinja

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Great question about threshold updates! State filing thresholds can change annually, though they don't always do so. Most states announce changes as part of their annual tax law updates, usually published between December and February for the following tax year. For the most current information, I'd recommend checking each state's Department of Revenue website directly, as they typically post current year filing requirements in their nonresident tax guides. You can also look at the state-specific instructions that come with popular tax software - they're usually updated with the latest thresholds. That said, the thresholds @Kingston Bellamy mentioned align with what I've seen for recent tax years, so you're probably working with good current info. Your practical approach of filing in LA and NM while skipping the others where you're clearly below thresholds sounds very reasonable given the tiny amounts involved.

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Just wanted to chime in as someone who's been through the MLP tax nightmare multiple times. The advice here is solid, but I'd add one more consideration: if you're planning to invest in MLPs again in the future, it might be worth establishing a filing pattern now even for small amounts. Some states have "lookback" provisions where if you file in one year, they expect you to file in subsequent years even if your income drops below thresholds. This is particularly true for Louisiana and New Mexico. If this was truly a one-time mistake and you're never touching MLPs again, then the practical approach of only filing where enforcement is likely makes sense. But if there's any chance you might end up with MLP income again, consider whether starting a filing relationship with these states now is worth the hassle to avoid complications later. Also, since you mentioned the tax due would be $0 in all states anyway, you might want to check if any of these states charge filing fees for nonresident returns. Some states have minimum fees (usually $25-50) even when no tax is owed, which could make the "file everywhere to be safe" approach more expensive than you'd expect.

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This is really helpful advice about the lookback provisions - I hadn't considered that angle at all! Since this was definitely a one-time mistake (lesson learned about MLPs!), I think I'm comfortable with the practical approach of minimal filing. Good point about the filing fees too. I should definitely check if Louisiana and New Mexico charge minimum fees before I decide to file there "just to be safe." If they're charging $25-50 each for a $0 tax liability, that would definitely tip the scales toward not filing at all given the tiny income amounts and low enforcement risk. Do you happen to know off the top of your head which states typically charge these minimum filing fees for nonresident returns?

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