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Lim Wong

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm currently in my 4th year as an F1 student (arrived in January 2021) so I'll be hitting this transition soon. One thing I'm curious about that hasn't been fully addressed - what about state taxes? I know the federal rules change after 5 years, but do state tax residency rules follow the same pattern? I'm in California and I've been filing as a nonresident for state taxes too. Will I automatically become a California resident for tax purposes when I become a federal resident alien, or do states have their own separate rules? This could make a huge difference since California taxes are pretty high compared to what I've been paying as a nonresident. Also wondering if anyone has experience with estimated tax payments during this transition year? As a nonresident I never had to worry about quarterlies, but I assume that changes once you're filing as a resident alien with worldwide income.

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The Boss

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Great questions! State tax residency rules are actually separate from federal rules, so becoming a federal resident alien doesn't automatically make you a California resident for state tax purposes. California has its own residency tests based on factors like where you maintain a permanent home, where your personal and economic ties are strongest, and your intent to remain in the state. However, since you've been in California for several years as a student, you might already meet California's residency requirements even before your federal status changes. I'd recommend looking into California's residency rules specifically - they're pretty detailed and different from the federal substantial presence test. As for estimated taxes, yes, that's definitely something to plan for! Once you're a resident alien, you'll likely need to make quarterly estimated payments if you have income that's not subject to withholding (like that foreign investment income). The general rule is you need to pay estimates if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in tax after subtracting withholding and credits. I'd suggest running some projections for your transition year to see what your tax liability might look like with worldwide income reporting - better to be prepared than get hit with underpayment penalties!

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Just to add to what The Boss said about California - you're absolutely right to be concerned about the state tax implications! California is notoriously aggressive about claiming residency, and as an F1 student who's been there for several years, you might already be considered a California resident for tax purposes regardless of your federal status. California looks at the "totality of circumstances" including where you spend most of your time, where your belongings are, where you're registered to vote (if applicable), where you bank, etc. The fact that you've been filing as a nonresident doesn't necessarily mean you actually qualify for that status under California's rules. I'd strongly recommend reviewing FTB Publication 1031 which explains California residency rules in detail. You might want to consult with a tax professional who understands both federal immigration tax rules AND California state tax law, because getting this wrong could be expensive - California can go back and assess additional taxes plus penalties if they determine you should have been filing as a resident. The estimated tax payments are definitely something to plan for too. California requires estimates just like federal, and with your worldwide income potentially pushing you into higher brackets, the quarterly payments could be substantial. Start calculating early so you're not scrambling come January!

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This is such a comprehensive thread! As someone who went through this transition two years ago, I wanted to add a few practical tips that might help: 1. **Keep detailed records** - Start documenting your presence in the US now if you haven't already. I created a simple spreadsheet tracking entry/exit dates, which was super helpful when calculating my substantial presence test days. 2. **Plan for the tax impact** - The switch to worldwide income reporting can be a shock! My tax liability nearly doubled in my transition year because I suddenly had to report rental income from my home country that I'd never had to declare before. 3. **Consider professional help for the transition year** - I tried to handle it myself initially but ended up hiring a CPA who specializes in international tax. The cost was worth it to make sure I got everything right, especially with foreign tax credits and treaty benefits. 4. **Start thinking about retirement contributions** - One silver lining of resident alien status is you can finally contribute to IRAs and 401(k)s if your employer offers them. I wish I'd started earlier! The whole process seems overwhelming at first, but once you get through that first year as a resident alien, it actually becomes much simpler than the complicated nonresident forms we used to deal with. Hang in there!

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Olivia Evans

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! The point about retirement contributions is something I hadn't even considered - that's actually a huge benefit I didn't realize came with resident alien status. I've been watching my US citizen friends contribute to their 401(k)s and getting employer matches while I couldn't participate. Quick question about the professional help - how did you find a CPA who specializes in international tax? I'm worried about just picking someone random who might not understand the nuances of F1 to resident alien transitions. Did you look for specific certifications or just ask around? Also, roughly what should I expect to pay for this kind of specialized help? The spreadsheet idea for tracking presence is brilliant too. I've been pretty good about keeping my travel documents, but having it all organized in one place would definitely make the calculations easier when the time comes. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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Cedric Chung

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I'm confused about something related to this... I did a backdoor Roth for the first time in 2024 and my 1099-R from Schwab shows code "J" in box 7. Is that correct or do I have a different problem than OP? I can't find clear info on what code J means for Roth conversions.

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Code "J" is actually correct for your situation. It specifically indicates an early distribution from a Roth IRA that is not subject to penalty (due to it being a qualified distribution). This is different from OP's situation with a Traditional to Roth conversion. Distribution codes can vary based on the specific type of transaction and account types involved. For a backdoor Roth where you contribute to a Traditional IRA and then convert to Roth, you'd typically see code "2" (or sometimes "1" as in OP's case) for the conversion step. But for distributions from Roth IRAs themselves, different codes apply.

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I went through this exact same situation last year with my backdoor Roth conversion at Fidelity. Got the dreaded code "1" instead of "2" and panicked for weeks thinking I'd messed something up. After doing tons of research and talking to a tax professional, I learned that this is incredibly common and not something to lose sleep over. The key thing to remember is that Form 8606 is what actually matters for tax purposes. The IRS processing systems are designed to handle these discrepancies between 1099-R codes and the actual nature of the transaction as reported on Form 8606. I ended up filing with the incorrect distribution code and had zero issues. That said, if you have time before the filing deadline and want complete peace of mind, calling Fidelity might be worth it. But honestly, based on my experience and everything I've read, you should be totally fine filing as-is with a properly completed Form 8606. The $7,500 amount you mentioned is also pretty standard for backdoor Roth conversions, so nothing about your situation would stand out as unusual to the IRS.

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Remember that even if there's no structures, you're still liable for what happens on your property! My friend had an empty lot and some teens were drinking there, one fell and got hurt, and they sued him! Make sure you have liability insurance on that vacant land. Most regular homeowners policies won't cover empty lots that aren't adjacent to your primary residence.

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Is that really necessary though? Seems like overkill for a piece of forest land in the middle of nowhere. What kind of insurance would even cover that?

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@Aisha Mahmood - Definitely contact the Wisconsin county assessor's office ASAP! Since you inherited the land, the property taxes are likely still being assessed but might be going to your grandparents' old address or getting held up in the ownership transfer process. Wisconsin has some great programs for forest land - you might qualify for the Managed Forest Land (MFL) program which can reduce your property taxes by up to 80% if you commit to keeping it as forest for at least 25 years. Given that it's 3 acres of forest, this could save you hundreds of dollars annually. You'll need to get the deed properly transferred into your name first, then inquire about MFL enrollment. The Wisconsin DNR website has all the details about eligibility requirements. Don't wait too long though - property taxes accrue even if you're not receiving bills, and you don't want to end up with a big surprise bill later!

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Diego Chavez

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This is really helpful info about the Wisconsin MFL program! I had no idea forest land could qualify for such significant tax reductions. @Katherine Ziminski, do you know if there are any restrictions on access or use of the land while it's enrolled in the MFL program? Like, can you still hike on it or allow family to use it recreationally, or does keeping it as "managed forest" mean you can't really use it at all?

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Just a heads up - don't forget about self-employment taxes! Even if you write off the excavator, you'll still owe SE tax (15.3%) on your net profit. A lot of people start side businesses and get shocked by this at tax time.

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Cedric Chung

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But the equipment deduction would reduce that net profit right? So if they spent $10,500 on the excavator and only make $8,000 in revenue the first year, they wouldn't owe SE tax?

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Exactly right! The equipment deduction reduces your net profit, which is what SE tax is calculated on. So in your example, if they made $8,000 in revenue but had $10,500 in equipment expenses, they'd actually have a net loss of $2,500 for the year. No SE tax owed on a loss. Just keep in mind that having losses multiple years in a row can trigger IRS scrutiny about whether it's really a business or just a hobby. But for a startup year, especially with major equipment purchases, losses are totally normal and expected.

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One thing I'd add to all the great advice here - make sure you're prepared to demonstrate the business nature of your activity if the IRS ever questions it. Since you bought the excavator in November but won't start generating income until spring, document everything that shows your serious business intent: research you did on pricing for excavation services in your area, any business cards or flyers you've made, social media pages you created, networking with potential clients, etc. Also consider getting business insurance for the excavator once you start operating. Not only is it smart protection, but the premiums are another business deduction. And if you're planning to operate it on other people's property, many clients will require you to have liability coverage anyway. The fact that you're asking these questions and thinking ahead shows you're taking this seriously as a business venture, which is exactly the kind of profit motive the IRS looks for. Good luck with your new excavation business!

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Nia Wilson

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This is really solid advice! I'm just getting started with understanding business taxes myself, but the documentation part makes so much sense. Even something as simple as screenshots of Craigslist or Facebook posts where you're advertising your services could probably help show business intent, right? I hadn't thought about the insurance angle either - that's a great point about clients requiring liability coverage. Do you know if there are any other "must have" insurances for this type of work that would also be deductible?

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Yara Haddad

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@Nia Wilson Yes, absolutely! Screenshots of ads, even saved drafts of Craigslist posts you re'working on, text messages with potential clients, photos of you researching competitor pricing - all of that helps build your case for legitimate business intent. For insurance, beyond general liability, you ll'probably want to look into equipment coverage for the excavator itself theft, (damage, etc. and) potentially commercial auto if you re'using a truck/trailer to transport it to job sites. Some excavation work might also require bonding depending on your local regulations and the types of clients you work with. All of those premiums would be deductible business expenses. One more tip - if you re'planning to work your excavator from your home base, check if you need any local business permits or licenses. Getting those early not only keeps you compliant but also creates more documentation of your serious business intent.

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Quick tip from someone who just went through this: if you're both making similar incomes, check the box in Step 2(c) on both of your W-4 forms AND have one of you claim the child on Step 3. We have a similar situation (I make $72k, husband makes $69k) and that worked perfectly for us last year. Also, the IRS has a Tax Withholding Estimator on their website that's pretty helpful: https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-withholding-estimator

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How accurate did you find the IRS estimator? I tried using it but got confused with all the info they wanted. Did you feel like your withholding ended up being accurate using their recommendation?

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I found the IRS estimator to be pretty accurate, but it does require a lot of detailed information. You need your most recent paystubs for both you and your spouse, plus any other income sources. The results were accurate for us - we got a small refund of about $650 which was perfect. The key things that made it work well were making sure we entered our pay frequency correctly (biweekly vs. semi-monthly makes a difference) and updating it mid-year when I got a raise. If your incomes are stable, you probably only need to do it once, but any big changes warrant a re-calculation.

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - remember that having a child also means you might qualify for the Child and Dependent Care Credit if you're paying for childcare! This is separate from the Child Tax Credit and can be worth up to $2,100 depending on your income and childcare expenses. This doesn't directly affect your W-4 withholding, but it's something to keep in mind for your overall tax situation as new parents. Also, if either of you has access to a Dependent Care FSA through work, you might want to sign up during your next benefits enrollment!

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Thanks for bringing this up! We're actually planning to put our baby in daycare once my wife's maternity leave ends. I had no idea about the Child and Dependent Care Credit. Does that get factored into the W-4 somehow or is it just something we claim when we file next year?

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Jamal Harris

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The Child and Dependent Care Credit is only claimed when you file your tax return - it doesn't affect your W-4 withholding at all. However, if you're planning on significant daycare expenses, you might want to consider adding a small amount to your additional withholding in Step 4(c) of your W-4 since the credit phases out at higher income levels and you want to make sure you don't underwithhold. Also, definitely look into the Dependent Care FSA that @53dc090fcbaf mentioned! You can set aside up to $5,000 pre-tax for childcare expenses, which reduces your taxable income. Just be careful not to contribute more than you'll actually spend since FSA funds typically have a "use it or lose it" rule.

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