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I just want to point out that for the 2025 filing season (for 2024 tax year), there's a slightly higher threshold for long-term capital gains tax rates. For single filers, the 0% rate applies up to $47,025 of taxable income and the 15% rate applies up to $518,900. So depending on your income level, this could affect how you fill out the Capital Gain Tax Worksheet. The Qualified Dividends and Capital Gain Tax Worksheet is critical because if you don't use it, you might massively overpay your taxes. FreeFileFillableForms won't catch this - it just takes whatever numbers you input.

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Paolo Longo

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Those thresholds don't sound right. I thought the capital gains brackets were lower than that. Can anyone confirm these numbers?

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StarSurfer

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Those numbers look correct for the 2024 tax year (2025 filing season). The 0% long-term capital gains rate does apply up to $47,025 for single filers, and the 15% rate goes up to $518,900. These thresholds are adjusted annually for inflation. You can verify these on the IRS website under Publication 550 or the current year's tax tables. It's definitely worth double-checking since these brackets change each year, but Keisha's numbers are accurate for returns being filed now.

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Just to add another perspective here - I've been using FreeFileFillableForms for several years with investment income, and the key thing to remember is that it's really just a digital version of the paper forms. You're still responsible for all the calculations that would normally be done on supporting worksheets. For the Qualified Dividends and Capital Gain Tax Worksheet specifically, I usually download the PDF from irs.gov, work through it step by step, and keep a copy with my tax records even though it doesn't get submitted. The most important thing is making sure you use the correct tax year's version - don't accidentally grab last year's worksheet since the income thresholds and rates change annually. One tip that's helped me: after completing the worksheet, I always cross-reference my final tax calculation with the tax tables to make sure everything looks reasonable. FreeFileFillableForms won't catch computational errors in your supporting worksheets, so that sanity check has saved me from mistakes more than once.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to investment income and wasn't sure about keeping copies of worksheets that don't get submitted. Quick question - when you do that sanity check against the tax tables, are you comparing your total tax amount or just the capital gains portion? Also, do you have any recommendations for organizing all these supporting documents? I feel like I'm going to end up with a mess of PDFs and calculations that I won't be able to make sense of later.

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Rachel Tao

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Curious if anyone has tried using a Roth conversion strategy with capital losses? I've heard that if you convert traditional IRA funds to Roth, the taxes you pay on the conversion can be partially offset by capital losses (up to the $3k limit). Might be another way to at least get some value from the losses while moving money to a tax-free growth vehicle.

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Derek Olson

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Yes, this can work well! I did this last year. The Roth conversion creates ordinary income, and then you can use your $3k capital loss deduction against that income. It effectively reduces the tax cost of the conversion. Just remember the $3k limit still applies for offsetting ordinary income, but it's a good strategy to consider if you're doing Roth conversions anyway.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation - about $45k in capital losses from some tech stock disasters in 2022. One thing I've learned is that you really need to think strategically about generating capital gains to offset these losses rather than just accepting the $3k annual deduction. Since you're considering an LLC for consulting work, here's something to consider: if your LLC is profitable and you're looking to diversify, you could potentially invest some of those business profits in assets that might generate capital gains (real estate, other investments). When those gains flow through to your personal return, they'd be offset by your existing capital losses. I've also been looking into tax-loss harvesting in reverse - instead of harvesting losses, I'm actually looking for opportunities to harvest gains when I have these massive loss carryovers. It's a completely different mindset but makes sense when you're sitting on nearly $100k in losses like you are. The key is not letting these losses go to waste by only using $3k per year. At that rate, it would take you over 30 years to use them all up!

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This is really helpful perspective, Miles! The "reverse tax-loss harvesting" concept is something I hadn't considered before. When you say you're looking for opportunities to harvest gains, are you specifically targeting investments you already own that have appreciated, or are you making new investments with the intention of selling them for gains to offset your losses? Also, I'm curious about the real estate angle you mentioned through the LLC. Would that be something like buying rental properties through the business and then selling them for gains, or are there other real estate strategies that work well for using up capital loss carryovers? The 30+ year timeline really puts this in perspective - there's definitely got to be better ways to utilize these losses!

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Khalid Howes

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This is really helpful information everyone! I'm in a similar situation with my 8-year-old's 529 account. One thing I'm curious about - does the 15-year requirement apply from when the account was first opened, or from when the specific contributions were made? For example, if I opened my daughter's 529 in 2020 but made a large contribution in 2023, would I need to wait until 2035 for the account to be eligible, or would I need to wait until 2038 for that specific 2023 contribution to be eligible for rollover? Also, I've been wondering about the timing strategy. Since the annual Roth contribution limits are relatively low ($7,000 in 2024), and you can only roll over what the beneficiary actually earned that year, it seems like you'd want to spread these rollovers across multiple years to maximize the benefit. Has anyone thought through the optimal timing for this?

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Great questions about the timing! From what I understand, the 15-year requirement applies to when the account was first opened, not to individual contributions. So if you opened your daughter's 529 in 2020, the entire account becomes eligible for rollovers in 2035, regardless of when you made specific contributions after that. You're absolutely right about the timing strategy being important. With the $7,000 annual Roth limit and the requirement that rollovers can't exceed the beneficiary's earned income for that year, you'd definitely want to spread this out. I'm thinking the sweet spot might be when your child is in college or just after graduation - they'd likely have some earned income from part-time work or early career jobs, but might not be maxing out their Roth contributions yet. One thing I'm wondering about is whether it makes sense to prioritize rolling over the growth portions first, since those would have the most potential for continued tax-free growth in the Roth IRA. Has anyone seen guidance on whether you can specify which portions of the 529 to roll over?

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Olivia Kay

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation but with a twist - my son's 529 was opened by his grandparents in 2018, but they made me the account owner last year when they moved to assisted living. Does anyone know if the 15-year clock started ticking in 2018 when they originally opened it, or does it reset when ownership transferred to me? I'm hoping it's the former since that would make us eligible for rollovers in 2033 rather than having to wait until 2039. Also, regarding the earned income requirement that @Dylan Mitchell mentioned - does anyone know if things like scholarship stipends or work-study programs count as "earned income" for Roth IRA purposes? My son is only 12 now, but I'm trying to plan ahead for different scenarios when he gets to college age. The flexibility these new rules provide is amazing, but the complexity is definitely making my head spin! Thanks to everyone sharing their experiences and research.

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Khalid Howes

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19 Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the IRS audit rate for self-employed people making under $100k is actually pretty low, around 0.6% currently. That said, missing income that has been reported to the IRS via 1099 is one of the surest ways to increase your chances. File that 1040-X as soon as possible, and make sure you pay what you owe plus any interest. The penalties for an honest mistake are usually pretty reasonable if you fix things yourself before they send you a notice.

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Khalid Howes

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14 Is that 0.6% for all self-employed filers, or just those with discrepancies? Also wondering if OP should look into an installment plan if they can't pay the full amount right away?

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As someone who went through a similar situation a few years ago, I can tell you that your anxiety is understandable but probably worse than the actual consequences will be. I missed reporting about $4,800 in freelance income and was absolutely terrified about getting audited. Here's what I learned: The IRS gets millions of tax returns and they're looking for patterns of intentional fraud, not honest mistakes from people who are generally compliant. A one-time oversight, especially when you're proactive about fixing it, is viewed very differently than systematic underreporting. I filed my 1040-X about 8 months after my original return, paid the additional tax plus some interest (which wasn't as bad as I expected), and never heard another word about it. The whole thing was resolved without any drama. The key is being proactive. Don't wait for them to find it - fix it yourself. That shows good faith and honest intent, which matters a lot in how they handle these situations.

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Omar Fawaz

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This is really reassuring to hear from someone who's actually been through it! Can I ask - when you filed your 1040-X, did you need to provide any documentation about why you missed the income initially? And roughly how much was the interest penalty on top of the taxes you owed? I'm trying to budget for what this might cost me beyond just the tax on the $6.5k.

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Omar Mahmoud

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Just to add another perspective on this situation - before you surrender the policy, you might want to explore the life settlement market. Given that your policy has been in force since 1965 and you're likely older now, there could be life settlement companies interested in purchasing your policy for more than the surrender value. Life settlements typically work best when the insured is over 65 and has some health changes, and your policy's long history could make it attractive to investors. Even if you only get a small premium over the $2,745 surrender value, that's still better than taking the loss. You'd want to work with a licensed life settlement broker who can shop your policy to multiple companies. The process involves a medical evaluation, but if you qualify, you might recover more of your cost basis than surrendering directly to the insurance company. Just another option to consider alongside the great advice others have already shared about keeping the policy active or reducing the death benefit.

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That's a really interesting option I hadn't heard of before! Life settlements sound like they could potentially help OP recover more of their investment than just surrendering. Do you know roughly what kind of premium over surrender value these companies typically offer? And are there any significant fees or costs involved in the process that would eat into the benefit? Also curious - does the life settlement market typically require the original policyholder to be the one selling, or since this was started by OP's grandfather, could there be any complications with ownership transfer or anything like that? Seems like it could be worth exploring if the numbers work out better than the surrender option.

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Good questions! Life settlement premiums typically range from 10-30% above surrender value, depending on factors like the insured's age, health, policy type, and death benefit amount. However, there are usually broker fees (often 6-10% of the sale price) and sometimes medical exam costs, so you'd need to factor those in. Regarding ownership, this could definitely be a complication since the policy was started by OP's grandfather. For a life settlement to work, OP would need to be both the owner and the insured on the policy. If ownership was never properly transferred from the grandfather, that would need to be resolved first with the insurance company. Also, there are typically requirements about how long the current owner has held the policy (often 2+ years) to prevent speculative purchases. @61d990d64ed3 You'd want to confirm with your insurance company exactly who is listed as the owner and insured on the policy. If you're listed as both, then a life settlement could definitely be worth exploring as another option alongside the other suggestions in this thread.

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This has been such a helpful discussion! I really appreciate everyone taking the time to share their experiences and insights. You've all given me a lot more to consider than I initially thought about. A few key takeaways I'm getting: 1. Unfortunately, I can't deduct the loss from surrendering, which is frustrating but good to know definitively 2. I should call my insurance company to get a complete policy illustration and understand all riders/benefits before deciding 3. The guaranteed interest rate from 1965 might actually be competitive with today's rates 4. Life settlements could potentially get me more than surrender value 5. I need to verify ownership status since my grandfather originally started the policy I think my next steps will be to call the insurance company to get all the policy details, then possibly explore the life settlement option if the ownership is clear. The creditor protection and guaranteed rate aspects might also make keeping it worthwhile. Thanks again to everyone - this community is incredibly knowledgeable! I'll update this thread once I've gathered more information from my insurance company.

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Ian Armstrong

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Great summary of all the options! One more thing to consider when you call your insurance company - ask them about any loan provisions in the policy. Some older whole life policies allow you to borrow against the cash value at very favorable rates (sometimes as low as 5-6% fixed). If your policy has this feature, you could potentially access some of the cash value without surrendering the policy entirely. This would let you get some liquidity while keeping the death benefit and any valuable riders in place. Just make sure to understand how loans affect the death benefit if that's important for your beneficiaries. Also, when you get that policy illustration, pay special attention to any "paid-up additions" or dividend history. Policies from that era sometimes have accumulated quite a bit of additional coverage from reinvested dividends that might not be immediately obvious from the basic surrender value quote.

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