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Just FYI for everyone dealing with Section 1256 contracts with zero values - I called the IRS directly about this last year. They confirmed that even with zero values, you should still report these on Form 6781 since the 1099-B was issued. The IRS agent explained it's important because their matching system will look for this form since they received the 1099-B copy. Omitting it could potentially trigger a notice even though there's no tax impact.
How did you manage to get through to an actual IRS agent? I've been trying for weeks with no luck!
I had the same struggle reaching the IRS! What finally worked for me was calling the main taxpayer assistance line (1-800-829-1040) first thing Monday morning at exactly 7 AM when they open. I got through after about 45 minutes on hold, which was way better than the 3+ hour waits I experienced calling later in the day. The key seems to be timing - early morning on weekdays, especially Monday and Tuesday, seem to have shorter wait times. Avoid calling on Fridays or during lunch hours when everyone else is trying to call too.
I ran into this exact same issue with my Schwab 1099-B supplemental form showing Section 1256 contracts! What worked for me was switching to TaxAct which has better support for Form 6781 than HRBlock's online version. Even though your values are all zeros, you definitely need to report this since the IRS received a copy of your 1099-B. I learned this the hard way when I initially skipped it and got a notice asking about the missing form. In TaxAct, look for "Investment Income and Expenses" then select "Other Investment Income" and you'll find the Section 1256 option. It walks you through entering the values from boxes 8-11 of your supplemental 1099-B. Since everything is zero for you, it should be straightforward once you find the right form. If you want to stick with HRBlock, you'll likely need their desktop software or to work with a tax professional since their online version doesn't handle specialized investment forms very well.
Thank you for sharing your experience with TaxAct! I'm actually leaning towards switching software at this point since HRBlock online seems to be missing this functionality entirely. Can you clarify what you mean by getting a notice for initially skipping the form? Was it an actual IRS correspondence or just a software warning? I'm trying to understand how seriously the IRS takes these zero-value Section 1256 reports since multiple people have mentioned they should still be filed even with no tax impact. Also, did TaxAct automatically detect that you needed Form 6781 when you uploaded your 1099-B, or did you have to manually search for the Section 1256 option?
It was an actual IRS notice (CP2000) about 6 months after filing. The notice basically said they had received a 1099-B showing Section 1256 activity but couldn't find the corresponding Form 6781 on my return. Even though there was no tax due, they wanted documentation showing I had properly reported the activity. TaxAct didn't automatically detect it when I uploaded the 1099-B - I had to manually find the Section 1256 option under the investment income section. The software isn't smart enough to read the supplemental forms and auto-populate the specialized forms. Once I found the right section though, it was pretty straightforward to enter the values from boxes 8-11. The IRS notice was resolved quickly once I filed an amended return with Form 6781 included, but it was definitely a hassle I could have avoided by doing it right the first time. That's why I always recommend including these forms even when the values are zero - the IRS matching system will catch it eventually.
Just to add to what others have shared - you might want to file Form 4506-T to request wage and income transcripts from the IRS. This won't give you the K1 directly, but it will show what's been reported under your SSN, which might help you identify if the partnership has actually filed and just not distributed your copy.
This is good advice. I use this form all the time with clients. Just note that it might take a few weeks to get the information back from the IRS, so it's not an immediate solution for this filing season. But it could help you determine if the partnership is filing on time and just not giving you your copy, or if they're actually filing late with the IRS too.
I've been following this thread and wanted to share another angle that might help. If you're dealing with a consistently unresponsive managing partner, you might also consider reaching out to your state's Secretary of State office or equivalent business registration authority. Many partnerships are required to maintain current contact information and registered agents with the state. If your managing partner is deliberately withholding financial information that you're entitled to as a partner, this could potentially violate state partnership laws or the terms under which the business is registered. Additionally, if this is a limited partnership, there may be specific fiduciary duties that the general partner owes to limited partners regarding timely financial reporting. Some states have penalties for partnerships that fail to provide required financial information to partners. I'd also suggest keeping detailed records of all your attempts to get the K1 - dates, methods of contact, any responses (or lack thereof). This documentation could be crucial if you need to pursue legal remedies or if the IRS asks about your good faith efforts to obtain the information.
Couple things to add from my experience with NSOs: 1) Consider the risk! You're putting real money into a private company that might never go public or get acquired. I exercised options at a startup that later failed - lost $15k and still had to pay taxes on phantom income. 2) If you wait till after IPO, there's usually a 180-day lockup period where you can't sell shares even though they're public. Market could tank during that time. 3) Ask if your company offers early exercise with 83(b) election - lets you exercise unvested options and starts your capital gains clock earlier. 4) Don't forget state taxes! California especially kills you on this stuff. 5) Some companies have programs to help with exercise costs or cashless exercises. Worth asking about.
The 83(b) election thing saved me a ton! My company allowed early exercise and I filed the 83(b) within the 30-day window. Paid very little tax up front since the FMV was close to strike price then. When we got acquired 2 years later, everything was long-term capital gains. Colleagues who didn't do this paid WAY more in ordinary income tax.
This is exactly the kind of situation where having all the right information upfront makes a huge difference. Based on your numbers (7,250 total options with those strike prices vs $5.93 FMV), you're looking at roughly $36k in taxable income if you exercise everything at once - that's a significant tax bill to plan for. A few practical considerations for your timeline: 1) Get clarity on your vesting schedule and any acceleration clauses that might trigger at IPO. Sometimes unvested options accelerate when companies go public. 2) Find out your company's IPO timeline. If it's 6+ months away, you might have time to exercise in stages across tax years to manage the tax hit. 3) Ask your company about any employee programs they offer - stock loan programs, cashless exercise options, or even tax gross-up assistance (some companies help cover the tax burden). 4) Consider your personal financial situation. Can you afford both the exercise cost (~$4,600 total) AND the tax bill on ~$36k of ordinary income? Don't put yourself in financial hardship for equity that's still speculative. The fact that your current tax advisor seems out of their depth is concerning. This really calls for someone with specific equity compensation experience, whether that's a specialized CPA or getting direct guidance from the IRS on proper reporting requirements.
This is such a comprehensive breakdown - thank you! The $36k taxable income calculation really puts things in perspective. I hadn't fully grasped that I'd be paying ordinary income tax rates on that entire amount. Your point about vesting acceleration at IPO is something I need to investigate immediately. I just assumed my unvested options would stay on their current schedule, but if they all vest at IPO, that could completely change my tax planning strategy. The timeline question is crucial too. I've been getting mixed signals from leadership about when we'll actually go public - some say Q3, others hint at early next year. If it's the latter, spreading exercises across tax years could save me a lot. I'm definitely going to ask HR about employee programs tomorrow. I had no idea companies sometimes offered stock loans or tax assistance for these situations. Even a cashless exercise option would help with the upfront cash requirements. You're absolutely right about needing specialized help. My current tax guy keeps saying "we'll figure it out" but that's not giving me the confidence I need for a decision this big. Time to find someone who actually deals with equity comp regularly.
Has anyone had their FSA administrator reject expenses during an audit because the provider didn't have a tax ID? I'm in a similar situation with a small home daycare and worried my company might make me pay back the FSA money if they audit and find out the provider wasn't properly registered.
Your FSA administrator generally only cares that you had eligible expenses for dependent care, not whether the provider was properly registered. As long as you have receipts showing you paid for childcare while you were working, that's typically sufficient for FSA purposes. The tax ID requirement is more about IRS reporting.
I went through almost the exact same situation two years ago with a home daycare that suddenly shut down. What really helped me was keeping a detailed timeline of everything - when I paid, when they closed, when I tried to contact them, etc. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given: check with your state's licensing board for childcare providers. Even if the daycare was operating without proper licensing, they might have records or complaints filed that could help you track down the owner's information. In my case, I found out through the state board that several parents had filed complaints when the daycare closed, and they actually had the owner's SSN on file from a previous licensing attempt. Also, don't stress too much about the FSA side of things. Your FSA administrator approved the reimbursement based on valid receipts for childcare expenses. The fact that the provider may have had licensing issues doesn't retroactively make your childcare expenses ineligible. You legitimately paid for childcare so you could work - that's what matters for FSA purposes. Just make sure to document everything thoroughly and you should be fine on both the FSA and tax filing fronts!
This is really helpful advice about checking with the state licensing board! I hadn't even thought about that angle. It's reassuring to hear from someone who actually went through this and came out okay on both sides. One quick question - when you found the owner's SSN through the state board, were you able to get that information directly or did you have to jump through hoops? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort to pursue that route or if I should just stick with the "PROVIDER REFUSED" approach that others have mentioned. Also, did you end up getting audited or having any follow-up issues with either the IRS or your FSA? Just trying to gauge what the realistic chances are of this becoming a bigger problem down the road.
Marcus Patterson
Does anyone know what the different cycle codes mean? Mine says 20240505 but idk what that means for my refund date
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Lydia Bailey
ā¢Last 2 digits tell u what day of the week. 05 means Thursday updates
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Alicia Stern
ā¢@Marcus Patterson The cycle code 20240505 breaks down like this: 2024 is the tax year, and 05 means your return gets updated on Fridays. So you ll'see transcript updates every Friday until your refund is released. Your actual refund date depends on other factors though!
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Mateo Warren
PSA: If you're trying to figure out exactly when youll get paid and what your transcript means, use taxr.ai - its an AI tool that analyzes everything and gives you a clear timeline. Sure beats trying to piece together info from reddit posts lol. Its only $1 too
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Sofia Price
ā¢thanks for the tip! just used it and it actually explained why I had a 570 code that was freaking me out. Apparently its just a temporary hold š
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