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Has anyone used the S Corporation basis worksheet from Form 1120-S instructions? It's really helpful for tracking your basis from year to year and would answer your question immediately about whether distributions exceed basis. I'm an enrolled agent and see this issue all the time. Clients think they're getting capital gain treatment when actually they've been calculating their basis incorrectly for years.
I haven't been using that worksheet specifically. Honestly, I've been relying on my tax software to track it, but I'm not sure it's doing it correctly given all the specialized circumstances with a single-member LLC that elected S status. I'll definitely check out that worksheet. Is it complicated to fill out if I have several years to catch up on?
It's not overly complicated, but it does require information from your previous tax returns. You'll need your initial capital contributions, all reported income and losses from prior years' K-1s, any additional capital contributions, prior distributions, and certain adjustment items like charitable contributions. If you're catching up multiple years, I recommend starting with the earliest year and working forward. Each year builds on the previous year's ending basis. The worksheet is in the instructions for Form 1120-S (not in the form itself). It helps ensure you're considering all basis adjustments, including those often overlooked like nondeductible expenses and tax-exempt income. These items affect basis but are often missed by basic tax software, especially if you're using consumer-grade programs rather than professional tax preparation software.
This is exactly the kind of confusion I had when I first started dealing with S-corp distributions! After reading through all these responses, I want to emphasize something that might help clarify things for you. The key insight is that there are really two separate tax events happening with S-corporations: 1) The business profits flow through to you personally and are taxed as ordinary income on your K-1, regardless of whether you actually take any money out of the business. This happens every year the business is profitable. 2) When you take distributions, those are generally tax-free up to your basis (which includes your initial investment plus all those profits you already paid tax on). Only distributions ABOVE your basis get capital gains treatment. So you're not getting "double taxed" - you pay ordinary income rates on the business profits, then if you distribute more than your total basis, that excess gets the more favorable capital gains treatment. The confusion often comes from mixing up these two separate events. I'd definitely recommend using that S Corporation basis worksheet that Mateo mentioned to get a clear picture of where you stand. And yes, the reasonable compensation issue Nia brought up is super important - the IRS definitely scrutinizes S-corps that pay minimal salaries with large distributions.
I work in payroll and just want to confirm what others have said - income counts when it's paid, not when it's earned. Your 1/3/2025 check will be reported on your 2025 W-2, even though some of those days were worked in 2024.
That's such a relief to hear from someone in payroll! So even if I work Dec 26-31, since that paycheck won't come until January, none of that will count toward my 2024 income total? I was so worried I'd have to take unpaid time off.
That's correct! As long as your paycheck date is January 3, 2025, those earnings will count toward your 2025 income for tax purposes, regardless of when you actually performed the work. The key is the payment date, not the work date. Since you're staying under $50K with your December 23rd check, you should be fine for your grant requirements. Just make sure to double-check with your grant administrator about their specific income calculation method to be 100% certain.
Just to add another perspective - I went through something similar with a scholarship that had income limits. The key thing that helped me was getting everything in writing from both my employer's HR department and the grant/scholarship office about their specific income calculation methods. Even though the general tax rule is that income counts when received (not when earned), some grant programs have their own definitions. For example, my scholarship looked at "income earned" during the calendar year rather than "income received." It's rare, but it does happen. I'd recommend emailing your grant administrator with your specific situation - mentioning that you'll have December work days paid in January - and asking them to confirm in writing how they handle this scenario. That way you have documentation if any questions come up later. Most grant offices are pretty responsive to these kinds of clarification requests, especially when you explain the stakes involved. Better to spend a few minutes getting official confirmation than to risk losing thousands in grant money over a misunderstanding!
Based on everyone's experiences here, it's clear that Form 843 IS required along with your detailed letter for rev. proc 84-35 relief requests. I went through this exact process 6 months ago for my single-member LLC. Here's what worked for me: I completed Form 843 with "Request for penalty abatement under Revenue Procedure 84-35" in the reason section, then attached a comprehensive letter that specifically addressed each requirement in the revenue procedure. Make sure your letter includes: - Clear statement that you're requesting relief under rev. proc 84-35 - Detailed explanation of how you meet ALL the criteria - Timeline of missed filings and circumstances - Supporting documentation (bank statements, medical records, etc. if applicable) I mailed everything together via certified mail and got approval in about 10 weeks. The key is being thorough in documenting how you qualify - the IRS agents reviewing these requests need to see that you clearly meet every requirement outlined in the revenue procedure. Don't skip the Form 843 thinking the letter alone will suffice - you need both components for a complete submission.
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive guidance I was looking for! Thank you for breaking down the specific components needed. I'm curious about the supporting documentation you mentioned - for our LLC, the late filings were due to a combination of personal health issues and confusion about filing requirements after adding a new member. Should I include medical records even if they're for personal health issues, or focus more on the business-related documentation like the LLC operating agreement changes?
Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful - I'm dealing with a similar situation where my LLC missed filing deadlines due to a family emergency that required me to travel out of state unexpectedly. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the importance of checking which specific penalty you're requesting abatement for. Rev. proc 84-35 applies to failure-to-file penalties, but if you also have failure-to-pay penalties, those might require a separate approach or different documentation. Also, for anyone still unsure about the Form 843 requirement - I called the IRS practitioner hotline last week and confirmed that yes, Form 843 is absolutely required for formal abatement requests under rev. proc 84-35. The letter serves as crucial supporting documentation, but without the form, your request won't be processed through the proper channels. Make sure to keep copies of everything you send and use certified mail or fax with delivery confirmation. The IRS processes thousands of these requests, so having proof of submission is essential if you need to follow up later.
This is such an important distinction about failure-to-file vs failure-to-pay penalties! I'm just starting this process and hadn't realized they might require different approaches. When you called the practitioner hotline, did they mention anything about how to handle situations where you have both types of penalties? My LLC has both because we filed late AND paid late, so I'm wondering if I need to submit separate Form 843s or if one comprehensive request can cover both under rev. proc 84-35. Also, thanks for the tip about certified mail - I was planning to just use regular mail but you're absolutely right that having delivery confirmation is crucial for something this important.
Has anyone tried amending previous returns to optimize how capital losses were applied? I'm in a similar situation but wondering if I should have used my losses differently in past years.
You generally can't amend returns just to "optimize" how you used capital losses if you reported everything correctly the first time. Amendments are for correcting errors, not changing strategies after the fact.
This is exactly the kind of situation where having a clear understanding of joint filing benefits really pays off! Your $50,000 capital loss carryover will definitely offset your wife's $5,000 capital gains completely when you file jointly - that's one of the major advantages of joint filing. What's great about your situation is that after using $5,000 of your carryover to offset her gains, you'll still be able to deduct the standard $3,000 against your ordinary income, leaving you with $42,000 to carry forward to next year. So essentially, you're getting the maximum benefit from your losses this year. One thing to keep in mind for future planning - if your wife continues to have capital gains in upcoming years, your remaining carryover will continue to offset those gains first before you can take the $3,000 ordinary income deduction. This could actually work out well for you both since capital gains are typically taxed at lower rates than ordinary income anyway. Make sure to keep good records of your carryover amounts each year so you can track how much you have remaining. Most tax software handles this automatically if you stick with the same program year after year.
This is really helpful! I'm new to dealing with capital losses and was worried that my husband's investment losses from a few years ago wouldn't help with my recent stock gains. It's reassuring to know that filing jointly actually combines everything together. One follow-up question - you mentioned that capital gains are typically taxed at lower rates than ordinary income. Does this mean we're actually getting a better deal by using the carryover against my capital gains rather than just taking the $3,000 deduction against ordinary income?
Actually, it's the opposite! You're getting a better deal by offsetting capital gains with your losses rather than just taking the ordinary income deduction. Here's why: When you use capital losses to offset capital gains, you're essentially getting a dollar-for-dollar reduction in taxable income that would have been taxed at capital gains rates (0%, 15%, or 20% depending on your income). But when you take the $3,000 deduction against ordinary income, you're reducing income that would be taxed at your marginal tax rate, which could be 22%, 24%, 32%, or higher depending on your bracket. So mathematically, it's actually better to save your capital loss carryover for years when you have capital gains to offset, rather than just taking the annual $3,000 ordinary income deduction. The fact that your wife has gains this year means you're using your losses in the most tax-efficient way possible!
Santiago Diaz
Percentage-based fees used to be more common years ago, but they're now considered unethical by professional organizations like the NAEA (National Association of Enrolled Agents). There are still some preparers who do this though, especially in communities where people aren't familiar with standard industry practices. It's not technically illegal in most states, but it's definitely a warning sign of a preparer who might bend rules to inflate refunds.
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Millie Long
ā¢So if it's not illegal, why is everyone saying it's such a bad thing? If someone can get me a bigger refund than I could get myself, why shouldn't they get a piece of it?
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Zara Perez
ā¢The problem is that a "bigger refund" isn't always legitimate. When preparers get paid based on refund size, they have a financial incentive to claim deductions or credits you might not actually qualify for. Sure, you get more money upfront, but when the IRS audits you later (which they often do with suspicious returns), YOU have to pay back the incorrect refund plus penalties and interest - not the preparer who already got paid and disappeared. Think of it this way: would you trust a mechanic who only gets paid if they find expensive problems with your car? The incentive structure creates conflicts of interest that can hurt you in the long run, even if the initial result seems beneficial.
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Skylar Neal
Your instincts are absolutely right to be concerned. I've been doing taxes professionally for over 15 years, and percentage-based fees are a major red flag in our industry. It's one of the first things we learn NOT to do in legitimate tax preparation courses. The biggest issue is that it creates what we call a "perverse incentive" - the preparer makes more money by inflating your refund, regardless of whether those inflated deductions are actually legitimate. I've seen too many cases where clients got audited years later and had to pay back thousands in incorrect refunds, plus penalties that sometimes doubled the original amount owed. If your cousin is serious about this field, encourage him to look into proper certification like becoming an Enrolled Agent or getting training through the IRS Volunteer Income Tax Assistance (VITA) program. These programs emphasize ethical practices and would teach him legitimate fee structures - either flat fees based on form complexity or hourly rates. That's how he can build a sustainable, ethical practice that actually helps people instead of putting them at risk.
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Zoe Papadopoulos
ā¢This is really helpful advice! As someone who's always done my own taxes but has been considering getting professional help as my situation gets more complex, it's good to know what red flags to watch out for. The VITA program sounds like a great suggestion for the cousin - I've heard they do quality work and it would give him proper training in ethical practices. Do you have any thoughts on what questions someone should ask when interviewing potential tax preparers to make sure they're legitimate and ethical?
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