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Is anyone using a tax software that correctly handles STRs under the 7-day rule? TurboTax seems confused about where to put it - when I try to enter it as a business it keeps pushing me back to the rental property section.
Great discussion here! I've been dealing with STR tax issues for two years and want to add a few practical tips that might help others: 1. **Average stay calculation**: Make sure you're calculating the 7-day average correctly. The IRS looks at the average rental period during the tax year, not just peak season. If you have some longer stays mixed in, it could push you over the 7-day threshold. 2. **Documentation is everything**: Beyond just tracking hours for material participation, also document what specific activities you're doing. "Property management" is too vague - break it down into "guest communication," "cleaning coordination," "maintenance scheduling," etc. This detail matters in an audit. 3. **State tax considerations**: Don't forget that your state might have different rules. Some states don't follow the federal 7-day rule, so you might end up with different treatment on state vs federal returns. 4. **Quarterly estimated taxes**: Since you'll be paying self-employment tax on Schedule C income, make sure you're making quarterly payments if your liability is over $1,000. The underpayment penalties can be steep. The QBI deduction Sara mentioned is definitely a game-changer if you qualify. Just make sure you're working with a tax pro who understands STR taxation - I've seen too many preparers mess this up.
This is incredibly helpful, especially the point about calculating the average stay correctly! I hadn't thought about how longer stays during off-season could affect the calculation. Quick question - when you mention documenting specific activities, do you recommend tracking this daily or is weekly summary sufficient? I'm trying to find the right balance between being thorough and not making this a full-time job itself. Also, for the quarterly estimated taxes, is there a safe harbor rule I should know about? I'm used to having taxes withheld from my W-2 job, so this whole estimated payment thing is new territory for me.
This is such a helpful thread! I'm new to survey sites too and had no idea about all these tax implications. I just signed up for a few platforms last week after seeing how much some people were making. One question I haven't seen addressed - what happens if you cash out through gift cards instead of PayPal or direct deposit? I was planning to take most of my earnings as Amazon gift cards since I shop there frequently anyway. Do I still need to report the full cash value of those gift cards as income, or is there some different treatment since it's not actual money hitting my bank account? Also, for those keeping detailed records throughout the year - are you tracking this manually or using any specific apps? I'm already feeling overwhelmed trying to keep track of earnings across multiple sites, and I've only been doing this for a week!
Great question about gift cards! Unfortunately, gift cards are still considered taxable income at their full cash value. The IRS treats them as compensation for your time and services, just like cash payments. So if you earn $100 in Amazon gift cards, you need to report $100 in income even though you never saw actual money in your bank account. For tracking, I personally use a simple Google Sheets spreadsheet with columns for: Date, Site Name, Activity, Amount Earned, Payment Method (cash/gift card), and Status (pending/paid). I update it weekly and it takes maybe 5 minutes. Some people use apps like Mint or YNAB, but honestly a basic spreadsheet works great and you can access it from anywhere. The key is being consistent with whatever method you choose - don't let it pile up or you'll be scrambling come tax time!
As someone who's been doing surveys for about two years now, I want to emphasize something that might not be obvious to newcomers - keep track of your time as well as your earnings! I started just like you, earning small amounts here and there, but once I hit that $600 threshold and had to start dealing with Schedule C, I realized I could also deduct certain expenses against this income. The time tracking helped me justify the business use percentage of my home office space, internet, and even my phone plan. Also, a practical tip that saved me during my first tax season: set aside about 25-30% of your survey earnings in a separate savings account throughout the year. Between federal income tax, state tax (if applicable), and the 15.3% self-employment tax, you'll owe more than you might expect. I learned this the hard way when I owed $180 on $800 of survey income and hadn't saved anything! The survey companies will usually send your 1099-NEC by January 31st if you earned $600+, but like others mentioned, you're required to report all income regardless. Good luck with your survey journey - it's actually pretty nice passive income once you get the tax part figured out!
This is excellent advice about setting aside money for taxes! I wish I had known about the 25-30% rule when I started. I'm curious about the time tracking aspect you mentioned - do you literally log every minute you spend on surveys, or do you do more of a weekly estimate? I'm trying to figure out the best way to document this for potential deductions without making it feel like a second job just to track the first side job! Also, when you mention home office deductions, does that work even if you're just using your kitchen table for surveys, or do you need a dedicated workspace?
One more thing to note - if you used Column Tax through Nerdwallet last year but create a brand new account directly with Column Tax this year, you won't automatically see last year's info. You need to use the same login credentials you created originally. I made this mistake and ended up with two accounts. Had to contact support to merge them. Save yourself the headache!
Just wanted to share my experience for anyone else dealing with this Column Tax situation. I was panicking like Lucas because I couldn't find it anywhere through the usual channels I used last year. After reading through all these comments, I went directly to columntax.com and was able to log in with my old credentials - everything was there! However, I did run into the same pricing issue that Natalie mentioned. My return that qualified for free filing last year is now requiring the Premium upgrade. I decided to bite the bullet and pay the $89 since all my info was already there and I really didn't want to start over with a new platform this close to the deadline. The filing process was just as smooth as last year, so at least the product quality hasn't changed even if the pricing structure has. For anyone on the fence about paying vs switching to a different service - if you have a relatively straightforward return, it might be worth exploring FreeTaxUSA like Noah suggested. But if you have multiple income sources or more complex deductions, the time savings of having everything pre-populated in Column Tax might justify the cost.
I'm dealing with the exact same issue! My spouse and I both work full-time with similar salaries and we've owed taxes for three years straight despite trying to adjust our withholding each time. Reading through these responses, it sounds like the "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" option might be our solution. I had no idea the old allowance system was completely phased out - that explains why all the advice I was finding online seemed outdated. The point about payroll systems calculating withholding per paycheck without knowing about your spouse's income really makes sense. Each employer thinks we're in a lower bracket individually, but combined we're actually higher. I think I'll try the IRS Withholding Estimator first since it's free, and if that doesn't work out, maybe look into some of the other tools mentioned here. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - it's reassuring to know we're not the only ones struggling with this!
You're definitely not alone in this struggle! As someone who just went through this exact same issue, I'd highly recommend starting with the "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" checkbox that several people mentioned. That alone might solve your problem without needing to calculate additional withholding amounts. If you do use the IRS Withholding Estimator, make sure you have both of your most recent paystubs handy - it needs pretty detailed info to give you accurate recommendations. The tool can be a bit clunky, but it's worth pushing through since it's designed specifically for situations like yours where both spouses work. One thing that helped me was keeping track of our effective tax rate from last year's return and comparing it to what our combined withholding rate actually was. The gap was eye-opening! Good luck getting this sorted out once and for all.
I went through this exact same frustration for years! What finally worked for me was a combination of strategies mentioned here. First, I switched both my husband and my W-4s to "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" - this immediately got us much closer to the right amount. The key insight that changed everything was understanding that when both spouses earn similar incomes (like you mentioned), you often hit what's called the "marriage penalty." Each employer's payroll system assumes your spouse either doesn't work or earns very little, so they withhold based on tax brackets that are too low for your actual combined income. Here's what I'd recommend as your action plan: 1) Update both W-4s to "Married filing jointly" but check the "higher withholding rate for single or married filing separately" box, 2) Use the IRS Withholding Estimator with your last paystubs to see if you need additional withholding on line 4(c), and 3) Check your first few paystubs after the change to make sure the new withholding amounts look reasonable. It took me three tax seasons of owing money to figure this out, but once I did, we've been getting small refunds ever since. The peace of mind is worth so much more than the extra few dollars withheld each paycheck!
This is such a helpful breakdown! I'm in a very similar situation and have been dreading tax season because of this exact issue. The "marriage penalty" explanation makes so much sense - I never understood why we kept owing despite feeling like we were being conservative with our withholding. Quick question about step 2: when using the IRS Withholding Estimator, did you find it gave you a specific dollar amount to add on line 4(c), or did it mostly recommend the "married but withhold at single rate" option? I'm wondering if I'll need to do both or if just switching to the higher withholding rate will be enough. Also, how much of a difference did you see in your take-home pay after making these changes? I'm trying to prepare my spouse for the adjustment since we're used to our current paychecks.
AstroAlpha
This is such a helpful thread! I'm actually going through something similar right now - my company switched payroll systems about two months ago and I've been seeing inconsistent withholding amounts that I couldn't quite figure out. Reading through all these responses has given me a much better understanding of what to look for. I never realized there were so many potential issues that could arise during a payroll migration - from filing status changes to allowances being reset to zero, to even the pay period configuration affecting calculations. I'm definitely going to check my W-4 information in our new system this week and compare it to what I remember having before. The point about keeping documentation of the correct settings for future reference is brilliant too - I wish I had thought to screenshot my old pay stubs before the switch happened. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences and solutions! This community is incredibly valuable for navigating these kinds of confusing situations.
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Ravi Malhotra
ā¢I'm so glad this thread could help you too! It's amazing how many different things can go wrong during a payroll system migration that most of us would never think to check. I'm in the same boat - I wish I had saved screenshots of my old pay stubs before the switch. One thing I'd suggest if you're checking your W-4 information - try to log into your company's benefits portal or HR system if they have one, since sometimes the payroll app doesn't show all the detailed tax settings. Also, if you can't remember exactly what your old settings were, you might be able to estimate what they should be based on your previous year's tax return. It's really reassuring to know that other people are dealing with this same issue! Hopefully we can all get our withholding sorted out properly. Good luck with checking your settings - feel free to update us on what you find!
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Lourdes Fox
This thread has been incredibly informative! As someone who works in HR, I see this exact scenario play out constantly during payroll system migrations. The combination of filing status changes and allowances being reset that you've identified is probably responsible for 80% of the withholding complaints we get after a system switch. One additional thing I'd recommend bringing up in your HR meeting tomorrow - ask them if they have a "migration checklist" or standard process for verifying employee tax settings after a system change. Many companies now proactively audit a sample of employee records after major payroll transitions specifically because these issues are so common. Also, don't be surprised if HR tells you that several other employees have reported similar problems. In my experience, these payroll migration issues tend to affect multiple people, so you're probably not the only one dealing with this. Sometimes HR can even do a batch correction for everyone who was affected by the same systematic error. The silver lining is that once these settings get corrected, the new system will likely be much more accurate and user-friendly than whatever legacy system you were using before. Hang in there!
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