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I just went through this exact situation! My advice: have your kids file their own taxes BUT check the box that says "Someone can claim you as a dependent." They'll still get refunds of any withholding that exceeds their tax liability, and you can still claim them if they meet all the tests. My 19yr old made $7200 last year but still qualified as my dependent because: 1) lived with me all year 2) I paid over half support (rent, food, etc was way more than his earnings) 3) he's my kid He filed his own return, got back his withholding, and I still got the dependent tax benefit. Win-win!
This doesn't sound right. If they make over the threshold amount, how can they qualify? My H&R Block guy told me the income limit is strict for dependents.
Thank you all so much for the incredibly helpful advice! I think I understand now - my 18-year-old can likely be claimed as a qualifying child regardless of income as long as I provided more than half their support, but my 20-year-old might be trickier since they're over 19 and not a student. I'm definitely going to check out that taxr.ai tool to confirm everything and make sure I'm on the right track. And if I still have questions after that, the Claimyr service sounds like it could save me a lot of frustration trying to reach the IRS directly!
Just to clarify what others have said - there's an important distinction between "qualifying child" and "qualifying relative" that determines income limits: **Qualifying Child** (no income limit): - Under 19, OR under 24 if full-time student - Lived with you more than half the year - You provided more than half their support - Didn't file joint return with spouse **Qualifying Relative** (income limit applies): - Can't earn more than $5,050 (2024 tax year) - You provided more than half their support - Not a qualifying child of you or anyone else So your 18-year-old could potentially qualify as a "qualifying child" regardless of income, but your 20-year-old (not in school) would need to pass the "qualifying relative" test, which includes the income limit. The key is the support test - you need to calculate if you truly provided more than 50% of their total support costs (housing, food, clothing, medical, transportation, etc.) versus what they paid for themselves with their earnings.
This is exactly the breakdown I needed! So if I'm understanding correctly, even though both my kids made over $5,050, my 18-year-old might still qualify under the "qualifying child" rules since there's no income limit for that category. But for my 20-year-old, since they're over 19 and not in school, they'd have to meet the stricter "qualifying relative" test which includes that income limit. The support test seems like the trickiest part to figure out. When you say "total support costs" - does that include things like car insurance if they're on my policy, or their cell phone bill if they're on my family plan? I'm trying to get a realistic picture of whether I actually provided more than half their support when you factor in all these shared expenses.
dont forget about retirement contritbutions too!! when i was doing pslf i figured out i could lower my AGI by putting more in my 401k which lowered my student loan payments. its like getting a discount on retirement saving!!! for us we did married/seperate and the lower income spouse claimed our kid. saved us like $4k a year in studen loan payments and only lost like $1500 in tax benefits
Yes, HSA contributions absolutely work the same way! HSA contributions reduce your AGI just like 401k contributions do, which means they'll lower your income-driven repayment calculations for PSLF. If you're eligible for an HSA (high-deductible health plan), you can contribute up to $4,300 for individual coverage or $8,550 for family coverage in 2024. It's actually a triple tax advantage - deductible going in, tax-free growth, and tax-free withdrawals for qualified medical expenses. With a new baby, you're probably going to have medical expenses anyway, so maximizing HSA contributions could be a really smart move for your situation. You'd lower your student loan payments AND build up a tax-advantaged fund for healthcare costs. The combination of maxing 401k, HSA, and filing separately with the right spouse claiming your child could really optimize your finances during these final PSLF years!
This is such great advice! I had no idea that HSA contributions could help with student loan payments through lowering AGI. With our combined income around $220k and a new baby, we'll definitely have medical expenses. Just to make sure I understand correctly - if I'm the one pursuing PSLF, I should be maximizing MY 401k and HSA contributions specifically to lower MY AGI for the loan calculation, right? And then we'd still file separately with one of us claiming our son as a dependent? Also, do you know if there are any other pre-tax contributions that work the same way? I think my employer offers dependent care FSA too but I'm not sure if that reduces AGI.
I messed up my rental condo depreciation last year using the town's weird assessment numbers. My accountant caught it before filing and said the 0.4% land allocation I calculated would absolutely trigger an audit. She helped me get the correct numbers from our condo docs (it was actually 16%). One thing nobody mentioned - with condos you're depreciating the interior structure plus your percentage interest in common elements, but NOT the land. That's why the allocation is so important. My accountant said this is one of the most common errors for first-time landlords with condos.
Thanks for mentioning this! Would you mind sharing what your accountant charged to help with rental property tax prep? I'm trying to decide if I should hire someone or just use tax software.
This is exactly the kind of situation where getting professional help upfront saves you headaches later. I made similar mistakes with my first rental property and learned the hard way that municipal assessments are often completely unreliable for depreciation purposes. Your 0.35% land allocation is definitely a red flag. Even for condos, anything under 10% typically raises eyebrows. The IRS expects reasonable allocations, and yours is so far outside normal ranges that it could trigger automatic review. Here's what I'd recommend based on my experience: 1) Check your original purchase documents - sometimes the land/building split is mentioned in the settlement statement or appraisal 2) Contact your condo association for official documentation of the land allocation percentage 3) If neither yields results, use a conservative 15-20% allocation and document your reasoning Remember, you're not just depreciating your unit - you're also depreciating your proportional share of common areas (hallways, lobby, etc.) but excluding the land value. Using $720k as your basis is correct regardless of current value. Better to be slightly conservative with your depreciation than to deal with an audit over unrealistic numbers!
This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with a similar situation on my first rental property and didn't realize how important getting the right documentation would be. Quick question - when you mention checking the original purchase documents, should I be looking at the HUD-1 settlement statement specifically, or are there other documents from closing that might have this information? My closing was a bit of a blur and I'm not sure what paperwork might be relevant for the land allocation.
mine cleared after 3 weeks, just keep checking WMR and your transcripts. dont call them unless its been over 21 days they wont tell u anything anyway
Hey! I was in the exact same situation last month - had those same codes on my transcript and was freaking out about when I'd get my refund. The 570 hold cleared after about 3 weeks for me, and I ended up getting a CP05 notice in the mail asking me to verify my identity online. Once I did that, my refund was released within a week. The waiting is honestly the worst part, but try not to stress too much - these codes are super common this filing season and most people get their refunds eventually. Just keep checking your transcript every Friday when they update! ๐ค
Thanks for sharing your experience! Really helps to hear from someone who went through the same thing. Did you have to do anything special for the identity verification or was it pretty straightforward? I'm hoping mine resolves just as quickly ๐ค
Madison Tipne
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also self-employed and had no idea I could deduct the portion of premiums I pay out-of-pocket after marketplace credits. I've been missing this deduction for two years now. One question I haven't seen addressed: if I started my business mid-year and was employed for the first half of the year (with employer health insurance), can I still take the self-employed health insurance deduction for the months I was paying for marketplace coverage while self-employed? Or does having employer coverage for part of the year disqualify me entirely? I switched to marketplace coverage in July when I left my job to go full-time freelance, so I've been paying out-of-pocket premiums for 6 months of the year. Want to make sure I can claim this before I file!
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Dylan Mitchell
โขYes, you can absolutely take the self-employed health insurance deduction for the months you were self-employed and paying for marketplace coverage! The IRS doesn't require you to be self-employed for the entire year to claim this deduction. Since you switched to self-employment in July and started paying for your own marketplace coverage then, you can deduct the out-of-pocket portion of premiums you paid from July through December. Just make sure your self-employment income for those 6 months shows a profit that's at least equal to the amount you're trying to deduct. The key is that you can't be eligible for employer-sponsored health insurance during the months you're claiming the deduction. Since you left your job in July and presumably lost access to that employer plan, you should be fine for the July-December period. Just keep good records showing when your employer coverage ended and when you started paying for the marketplace plan. You might also want to consider amending your prior year returns if you missed this deduction in previous tax years - you have up to 3 years to file an amended return and claim refunds you missed!
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Raj Gupta
Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences here! As someone who's been self-employed for about 5 years, I want to emphasize how important it is to understand this deduction properly. One thing I'd add is that if you're just starting out as self-employed, don't assume you can't take this deduction because your business income is low. Even if you only made a few thousand dollars in self-employment income, you can still deduct health insurance premiums up to that amount of profit. Every little bit helps when you're building your business! Also, for those considering amending previous returns - it's definitely worth doing if you missed this deduction. I amended my 2022 return after discovering I could deduct my out-of-pocket premiums and got back about $800. The process was easier than I expected, and the IRS processed the amended return in about 8 weeks. One last tip: if you're unsure about any of this, consider keeping detailed notes about your specific situation and consulting with a tax professional who specializes in self-employment taxes. The peace of mind is often worth the cost, especially in your first few years of being self-employed when everything feels complicated!
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Dmitry Popov
โขThis is exactly the kind of advice I wish I had when I started freelancing! I'm pretty new to self-employment (just started in October) and honestly had no idea about any of these health insurance deductions. I've been paying for marketplace coverage since I left my corporate job, getting some tax credits, but paying about $180/month out of pocket. Reading through this thread has been eye-opening - I had no clue I could deduct that $180/month for the months I've been self-employed. My business income is pretty modest so far (around $3,000 for those few months), but it sounds like I can still claim what I paid up to that profit amount. Quick question though - when you say "consulting with a tax professional who specializes in self-employment taxes," how do you find someone like that? I've been thinking about getting help but wasn't sure what to look for or if it would be worth the cost for someone with such a small business income. Any suggestions on what questions to ask or credentials to look for?
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