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One thing to consider that hasn't been mentioned yet - if your church is part of a larger denomination, check with their financial office first. Many denominations have established procedures for member loans and may even have template agreements that comply with both IRS requirements and their own governance rules. Also, consider setting up the loan with a nominal interest rate (like 1-2%) instead of zero interest. This can actually simplify things tax-wise since you avoid the imputed interest calculations entirely, and the small amount of interest income is usually manageable. The church can still benefit significantly from below-market rates without triggering the complex IRS rules around gift loans. Make sure you understand your state's usury laws too - some states have minimum interest rate requirements even for loans to nonprofits. Better to be safe and charge a small amount than risk having the loan structure challenged later.

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This is really helpful advice about checking with the denomination first! As someone new to navigating church finances, I hadn't considered that there might be established procedures already in place. The point about using a nominal interest rate instead of zero is intriguing - it sounds like it could actually make the paperwork simpler while still providing meaningful help to the church. Do you happen to know what the current minimum rates would be to avoid the imputed interest issues? I want to make sure I'm not accidentally creating more tax complications by trying to be too generous. Also, regarding state usury laws - is there a good resource to check these requirements, or would I need to consult with a local attorney?

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Amina Diallo

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@5da4638a78e9 For the minimum interest rates to avoid imputed interest issues, you'll want to check the IRS's Applicable Federal Rates (AFRs) which are published monthly. As of recent publications, short-term rates (loans under 3 years) are around 4-5%, mid-term rates are slightly higher. You can find the current rates on the IRS website under "Applicable Federal Rates" - they update these monthly. For state usury laws, your state's banking department or attorney general's office usually publishes these limits online. Most states have specific exemptions for loans to charitable organizations, but it's worth checking. You could also call your state bar association's lawyer referral service - many offer brief consultations for exactly these types of questions at reasonable rates. The denomination route is definitely worth exploring first. Many have been through this exact scenario and have streamlined processes that protect both the member and the organization.

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Another consideration worth mentioning - if your church has any pending legal issues or financial disputes, you might want to wait until those are resolved before making the loan. I learned this the hard way when I lent money to a nonprofit that later had creditor issues. Even though my loan was properly documented, it got tied up in their financial restructuring for months. Also, consider whether you want to include a clause allowing you to convert the loan to a donation at any time. This gives you flexibility if the church's situation changes or if you decide you'd rather take the charitable deduction. Just make sure this conversion option is clearly documented in the original agreement so there's no question about your intent with the IRS. One more practical tip - set up a separate savings account just for tracking this loan. Keep all the paperwork together and document any payments or communications about the loan. If you ever need to prove to the IRS that this was a legitimate loan (not a gift), having clean records will save you a lot of headaches.

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Yara Khoury

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I'm going through this exact same situation right now and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I've had just the single 810 code on my transcript for about 3 weeks now, and like everyone else, I was expecting to see other codes appear based on previous years' experiences. I tried the online verification at idverify.irs.gov twice but kept getting error messages saying they couldn't verify my information. I'm planning to call the 800-830-5084 number tomorrow morning. One thing I'm curious about - for those who successfully completed phone verification, did you need to have your actual tax return documents in front of you during the call, or was having last year's AGI and basic info sufficient? Also, I noticed some people mentioned that transcripts update on Fridays - is that a reliable pattern for seeing changes after verification is complete? I'm trying to figure out the best days to check for updates so I don't drive myself crazy refreshing daily! Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences here. It's such a relief to know this is normal for 2024 and not some unique problem with my return.

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@Yara Khoury For the phone verification, I d'recommend having both your current return and last year s'return handy, just in case. While they primarily need your prior year AGI, they sometimes ask follow-up questions about income sources, filing status, or dependents to confirm your identity. Better to be over-prepared than to have to call back! Regarding transcript updates - yes, the Friday update pattern is pretty reliable. The IRS batch processes most transcript updates overnight Thursday into Friday, so Friday morning is typically when you ll'see changes. However, after verification is complete, don t'expect immediate updates. In my experience, it took about 2-3 Friday cycles before I saw the 810 code release and normal processing begin. One tip: when you call tomorrow, try calling right at 7 AM when they open. The wait times are usually shortest first thing in the morning. Good luck!

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Diego Fisher

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I'm currently dealing with this exact situation and this thread has been a lifesaver! I've had only the 810 code on my transcript for about 5 weeks now, and I was starting to panic thinking something was seriously wrong with my return. Reading everyone's experiences here has helped me understand that this is actually the new normal for identity verification in 2024. I successfully completed phone verification about 10 days ago after calling 800-830-5084. The agent was helpful and confirmed that the isolated 810 code meant my return never entered normal processing - it was flagged for identity verification right from the start. She told me to expect 6-9 weeks for processing to resume after verification, which aligns with what others have shared here. One thing I learned during my call that might help others: they asked me not just for my prior year AGI, but also for specific line items from my current return (like total wages and withholdings). Having my actual tax documents in front of me definitely made the process smoother. The verification itself only took about 15 minutes once I got through to an agent. Now I'm in the waiting phase like many of you. My transcript still shows just the 810 code, but I'm checking every Friday morning for updates based on the advice here. It's frustrating not knowing exactly when things will move, but at least I understand the process now thanks to this community!

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@Diego Fisher Thank you for sharing your timeline and verification experience! It s'really helpful to hear that they asked for specific line items from your current return during the phone call - I wouldn t'have thought to have those details ready. I m'in a similar situation with just the 810 code for about 2 weeks now, and I ve'been putting off calling because I wasn t'sure what documentation I d'need. Your experience gives me confidence to make that call this week. Quick question - when you say they asked for total "wages and withholdings, were" they referring to specific lines from your 1040, or were they asking about the amounts from your W-2? I want to make sure I have the right documents organized before I call. Also, did they give you any kind of confirmation number or reference number after completing verification that you could use to track the status if you needed to call back?

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Amina Toure

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I did this last year - donated about 300 items after downsizing. My advice is to create a spreadsheet NOW before you start donating. Column headings: Date donated, Charity name/address, Item description, Condition, Original cost, FMV, and Photo reference number. Take photos of EVERYTHING in groups (like "10 men's shirts" can be one photo). Number your photos to match your spreadsheet. Trust me, trying to reconstruct this at tax time is a nightmare.

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This is good advice but seems really time consuming. How long did it take you to document 300 items this way? I'm looking at closer to 600 items and wondering if it's even worth the tax deduction with that much work.

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@Oliver Zimmermann It honestly took me about 2-3 hours total spread over several weeks as I was packing things up. The key is doing it as you go rather than all at once. I d'spend 15-20 minutes each weekend photographing and cataloging whatever I d'sorted that week. For 600 items, you re'probably looking at maybe 4-5 hours total if you re'efficient about it. Given that I saved about $8,000 in taxes on my donations, that worked out to roughly $1,600+ per hour of documentation time - definitely worth it! Plus having everything organized made filling out Form 8283 a breeze instead of a nightmare. The alternative is either not taking the deductions losing (thousands or) scrambling at tax time trying to remember what you donated where and (possibly making mistakes that could trigger an audit .)The upfront time investment is totally worth the peace of mind and tax savings.

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Just want to add one more thing that helped me a lot - keep a running tally of your donations by charity as you go. The IRS gets suspicious if you claim massive deductions to obscure charities, but spreading $40k across well-known organizations like Goodwill, Salvation Army, local food banks, etc. looks much more legitimate. Also, make sure you're getting proper receipts from each charity with their tax ID number. Some smaller organizations are terrible about this, and without a proper receipt showing they're a qualified 501(c)(3), your deduction could get disallowed entirely. I learned this the hard way when one of my donations got questioned because the charity's receipt was just a handwritten note without their EIN. One last tip - if any of your items are unusual or potentially valuable (artwork, antiques, jewelry), consider getting a quick informal appraisal even if they're under $5,000. It shows good faith effort at accurate valuation and can save headaches later.

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AstroAlpha

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Great advice about spreading donations across multiple well-known charities! I hadn't thought about how concentrated donations might look suspicious. Quick question - do you know if there's a specific threshold or percentage that raises red flags, or is it more about the overall pattern? Also, regarding the informal appraisals for items under $5,000 - did you find any appraisers who were willing to do quick valuations at reasonable rates? Most of the ones I've contacted want to charge their full fee even for simple items, which doesn't make financial sense for something worth a few hundred dollars.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Doesn't this all become moot if you're taking the standard deduction anyway? With the current standard deduction being so high ($13,850 for single filers in 2023), most people aren't itemizing anymore, right? So would the mortgage interest and property tax deductions even matter?

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Carmen Diaz

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Not necessarily! Even with the higher standard deduction, there are still cases where itemizing makes sense, especially in high tax areas or with expensive homes. For my partner and I, one of us itemizes while the other takes the standard deduction. Also, some states allow you to itemize on your state return even if you take the standard deduction federally, so the property tax and mortgage interest can still save you money at the state level. Definitely worth running the numbers both ways!

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Yuki Tanaka

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Thanks for clarifying! I hadn't considered the state tax angle at all. We're in California which has high property taxes, so I guess that could push one or both of us over the threshold for itemizing. And it's a good point about one person itemizing and one taking standard - I hadn't thought about us doing different approaches.

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Congrats on your upcoming closing! As someone who went through this exact decision last year, I'd strongly recommend tenancy in common for your situation. Even though you're splitting everything 50/50 now, TIC gives you flexibility if your financial situations change down the road. One thing that really helped us was setting up a separate joint account just for house-related expenses (mortgage, property taxes, insurance, repairs) where we each contribute our percentage monthly. This makes tracking everything for taxes super clean and eliminates any confusion about who paid what. Since you both make similar incomes around $85k, you'll want to run the numbers on whether either of you will be itemizing deductions. With a $430k house, your property taxes and mortgage interest combined might push at least one of you over the standard deduction threshold, especially if you're in a higher tax state. Even if only one of you itemizes, you can still both benefit from the deductions based on your ownership percentages and actual payments. The two-week timeline is tight, but your title company should be able to handle the TIC paperwork without any issues. Just make sure to specify the exact ownership percentages you want on the deed!

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Carmen Vega

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This is really helpful advice about setting up the separate joint account! I'm curious though - when you say "contribute your percentage monthly," do you mean you each put in exactly your ownership percentage of all house expenses? Like if one person owns 60% they pay 60% of everything? Or do you split some things equally regardless of ownership percentage? We're trying to figure out the fairest way to handle this since we're both contributing equally to the down payment but might want different ownership splits later.

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Understanding Paid in Capital and Return of Capital Process for 1120S - How Do I Document Non-Salary Distributions?

Look, I'm not an accountant by trade, so please bear with me if my terminology isn't spot-on. I'm trying to navigate what seems like a straightforward question about my S-Corp's financial situation without getting into too much technical jargon. Our S-Corp has two shareholders with equal ownership. We just completed our first full year in business (previously we had only operated for about 2 months). Only one of us actively participates in running the company. We haven't established payroll yet, but that's not what I'm seeking advice on today. I specifically need help understanding Paid in Capital and Return of Capital for our business (revenue under $250K). Here's our situation: Throughout the year, we mixed personal and business finances. We used the business account for personal expenses and didn't run payroll. We also used our personal accounts for business expenses without properly documenting reimbursements for each transaction. What I want to confirm is this process: For business expenses paid from our personal accounts - I understand these should be treated as Additional Paid in Capital, and those expenses can be added to our normal deduction calculations. Since we're a small business not required to submit balance sheets with our 1120S, my plan is to track this Paid in Capital amount in our internal records but not include it on the 1120S or K-1 forms since there's no specific place to note it. I don't want to classify it as a loan since we don't have a formal agreement. For personal expenses paid from the business account - I'm planning to handle these as compensation via 1099-NEC (I realize this isn't ideal, but I can't retroactively set up payroll for last year). The compensation amount would be calculated as personal withdrawals from the business account minus the Additional Paid in Capital amount (essentially treating those withdrawals as a return of the capital the shareholder put in). I'll note this in our internal records but not on the tax forms since we aren't required to complete the balance sheet section. Can Return of Capital be handled through multiple debit transactions as I've described? While I know this isn't textbook accounting, I need to know if there's any specific law prohibiting this approach. I understand we'll likely face scrutiny due to the 1099/no payroll situation, so an audit seems likely. Thanks for any guidance you can provide without judging our past financial decisions. I'm just trying to file correctly based on the situation we've created.

I've been reading through all these responses and wanted to add something that might be helpful - the IRS actually has a specific procedure for handling mixed personal/business transactions in S-Corps called the "loan vs. contribution analysis." What you're describing with treating personal expenses as additional paid-in capital and then netting that against personal withdrawals as a return of capital is actually a recognized approach, but you need to be very careful about the documentation. The key is establishing that these were intended as capital contributions at the time they occurred, not loans. This means you'll need to document that: 1. There was no expectation of repayment 2. No interest was charged or expected 3. The payments were made to benefit the corporation, not the individual 4. The shareholders had the intent to make capital contributions For your return of capital approach, make sure you can clearly show that the amounts withdrawn don't exceed your actual basis in the corporation. S-Corp shareholders can only receive tax-free return of capital up to their adjusted basis in the stock. One practical tip: create a shareholder basis schedule showing opening basis, plus contributions (including your personal expenses paid for business), plus/minus your share of income/losses, minus any distributions. This will help you determine how much can legitimately be treated as return of capital versus taxable distributions. The mixed personal/business situation isn't uncommon for small S-Corps, and the IRS has seen it all before. As long as you can demonstrate legitimate business purposes and maintain consistent treatment, your approach should be defensible.

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This is really helpful information about the loan vs. contribution analysis! I hadn't heard of this specific IRS procedure before. Your point about documenting the intent at the time of the transactions is crucial - that seems to be a common theme throughout this discussion. I'm particularly interested in your mention of the shareholder basis schedule. Is this something I need to file with my tax return, or is it just for internal record-keeping? Also, when you say "adjusted basis in the stock," does this include both the initial capital contribution when we formed the S-Corp plus any additional paid-in capital from personal expenses throughout the year? One thing I'm still unclear on - if I'm not required to file balance sheets with my 1120S (under the $250K threshold), how detailed do my internal records need to be to satisfy the "no expectation of repayment" and "intent to make capital contributions" requirements you mentioned? Would contemporaneous emails between shareholders discussing these transactions be sufficient, or do I need formal corporate resolutions for each transaction? Your approach seems much more systematic than what I was originally planning. It sounds like having a clear basis calculation will be essential for defending the return of capital treatment if questioned.

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Avery Davis

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The shareholder basis schedule is for internal record-keeping only - you don't file it with your return, but it's crucial documentation to have if questioned. Your adjusted basis would include your initial capital contribution plus any additional paid-in capital (like those personal expenses you paid for business purposes), plus your share of S-Corp income, minus any distributions taken. For documentation without balance sheet requirements, you don't need formal resolutions for every transaction, but you should have consistent internal records. A combination of approaches works well: a detailed spreadsheet tracking all personal expenses paid for business (with business justification for each), email communications between shareholders acknowledging these as capital contributions, and a simple written agreement stating that personal funds used for business purposes are intended as capital contributions, not loans. The key is consistency - if you treat these as capital contributions in your records, make sure all your documentation supports that characterization. Don't mix loan language with contribution language in your records. One more critical point: make sure your return of capital doesn't exceed your total basis. If distributions exceed basis, the excess becomes taxable gain. So if you contributed $10K in personal expenses as capital, your initial investment was $5K, and S-Corp income allocated to you was $8K, your basis would be $23K. Any distributions above that amount would be taxable. This systematic approach will give you much stronger footing if the IRS questions your treatment of these transactions.

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Reading through all these responses, I want to emphasize something that might save you significant headaches down the road - the importance of establishing a clear paper trail NOW, even though these transactions already occurred. I've seen several small S-Corps get into trouble not because their approach was wrong, but because they couldn't adequately document their intentions when the IRS came asking. Here's what I'd recommend based on the discussion above: 1. Create a comprehensive transaction log showing every mixed personal/business expense with dates, amounts, business purpose, and supporting documentation. This becomes your evidence that personal expenses were legitimate business costs intended as capital contributions. 2. Draft a retroactive shareholder agreement acknowledging that personal funds used for business purposes were capital contributions, not loans. Include specific language about no expectation of repayment or interest. 3. Calculate your shareholder basis carefully (initial investment + additional contributions + allocated income - distributions) to ensure your return of capital treatment doesn't exceed your actual basis. 4. Most importantly - implement proper procedures going forward. Set up payroll for reasonable compensation, establish an accountable plan for expense reimbursements, and maintain clear separation of personal and business finances. The good news is that your situation isn't unusual for new S-Corps, and the approaches discussed in this thread are legitimate if properly documented. The bad news is that without proper documentation, even the correct tax treatment can be challenged successfully by the IRS. Consider getting a tax professional involved to review your documentation before filing - the cost now could save you much more in penalties and professional fees later if you face scrutiny.

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This is incredibly helpful guidance, Maria! As someone who's been lurking in this community trying to understand S-Corp compliance issues, your step-by-step approach really clarifies what needs to be done. The emphasis on documentation makes total sense - I can see how even the right tax treatment could fall apart without proper supporting records. I'm particularly grateful for your point about calculating shareholder basis carefully. I've been confused about whether additional contributions from personal expenses actually increase basis, but your explanation (initial investment + additional contributions + allocated income - distributions) makes it clear. This seems like a critical calculation that could make or break the return of capital treatment. Your recommendation to get professional review before filing resonates with me too. I've been trying to handle this myself to save money, but you're right that the cost of professional help now could prevent much bigger problems later. The penalty exposure alone from getting the payroll/reasonable compensation issue wrong could be substantial. One quick question - when you mention implementing proper procedures going forward, do you have any specific recommendations for S-Corps our size (under $250K revenue)? I want to make sure I'm setting up systems that will prevent these kinds of documentation issues in the future. Thanks for taking the time to provide such thorough guidance to the community!

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