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Jacinda Yu

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This thread has been incredibly enlightening! As someone who just hit that 22% bracket for the first time this year, I was genuinely worried I was doing something wrong financially. The jump from 12% to 22% felt like such a penalty for earning a bit more money. What really helped me was everyone's explanations about marginal vs. effective tax rates. I went back and calculated my actual effective rate and realized it's only around 16% - way less scary than that 22% number that was stressing me out! I'm also now motivated to look into maxing out my 401k contributions to potentially keep some income in that 12% bracket. It's amazing how understanding the system better makes it feel less like something that's happening TO you and more like something you can actually plan around. Thanks to everyone who shared their insights and tools - this is exactly the kind of real-world explanation that makes tax policy actually understandable for regular folks like me!

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Ryan Young

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I'm so glad this thread helped clarify things for you! That feeling of being "penalized" for earning more is something I think a lot of people experience when they first encounter that bracket jump. It's completely understandable to feel that way when you just see "22%" without understanding how the progressive system actually works. Your effective rate of 16% is a perfect example of why it's so important to look beyond just the marginal rate. That 22% only applies to the dollars above the threshold, not your entire income - which makes such a huge difference in the actual impact. The 401k strategy is definitely worth exploring! Even if you can't max it out completely, every bit you contribute in that bracket saves you 22 cents per dollar versus the 12 cents you'd save in the lower bracket. It's like getting a guaranteed 22% return on that portion of your contribution just from the tax savings alone. Welcome to understanding the tax code a bit better - it really does make you feel more in control of your financial situation once you get past that initial intimidation factor!

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Jamal Wilson

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This has been such an educational thread! As someone who recently moved into the 22% bracket myself, I was initially frustrated by what seemed like an unfair jump targeting middle-class earners. But reading everyone's explanations about the historical context and progressive nature of the system really helped me understand the bigger picture. What struck me most was learning that this actually represents an improvement from the old 15% to 25% jump - I had no idea the current structure was the result of tax reform aimed at helping middle-income families. The concept of marginal vs. effective tax rates was also a game-changer for my understanding. I'm now planning to use this knowledge strategically by maximizing my HSA contributions and potentially increasing my 401k deferrals to keep more income in that 12% bracket. It's empowering to realize that understanding these brackets can actually help you make smarter financial decisions rather than just feeling helpless about tax policy. Thanks to everyone who shared their insights - this is exactly the kind of practical tax education that should be taught more widely!

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19 One thing to consider: have you looked into forming an LLC and electing S Corp taxation status instead of forming an actual corporation? That's what I did. It gives you the liability protection of an LLC with the tax benefits of an S Corp, plus LLCs are generally easier to maintain than corporations in most states.

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5 That's what I did too! Much simpler paperwork with my state. Just make sure you check the "tax as S Corporation" box on Form 8832 before filing Form 2553. The IRS agent I spoke with said they see a lot of rejections because people forget that step.

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Great thread everyone! As someone who just went through this process myself, I wanted to add a few key points that might help other new business owners: 1) **Don't rush the S Corp election** - I almost made the mistake of filing Form 2553 too early in my excitement. You really do need to have your state entity formed first (LLC or corporation), then get your EIN for that entity type. 2) **Consider your income threshold** - Several people mentioned this but it's worth emphasizing. The general rule of thumb I've seen is that S Corp election typically makes sense when you're making at least $60,000+ annually, but it really depends on your specific situation. 3) **State taxes matter too** - Don't forget to research how your state treats S Corps! Some states don't recognize the federal S Corp election or have additional fees/taxes that could affect whether it's worth it. 4) **Keep good records from day one** - If you do elect S Corp status, the IRS is pretty strict about that "reasonable salary" requirement. Start documenting comparable salaries in your industry now so you're prepared. The advice about forming an LLC first and then electing S Corp taxation is solid - gives you more flexibility down the road if your business needs change!

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Mei Lin

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This is incredibly helpful, thank you! The income threshold point really hits home for me. I'm currently making around $45k from my consulting business, so it sounds like I might be jumping the gun on the S Corp election. Question about the state tax research - are there any specific resources you'd recommend for checking how my state handles S Corp elections? I'm in California and I've heard they can be particularly tricky with business taxes. Also, when you mention keeping records for "reasonable salary" - what specific documentation did you find most useful? I want to make sure I'm tracking the right information from the start.

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Jacob Lee

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Reading through all these experiences has been sobering. I came here initially skeptical but open-minded about creative tax strategies, but the consistent pattern of audit failures and financial consequences is impossible to ignore. What strikes me most is how these schemes prey on people's desire to minimize taxes through what appears to be "sophisticated" planning. The volcanic ash arrangement has all the classic red flags: inflated valuations, promoters focused on tax benefits rather than economic returns, and the fundamental question of why anyone would donate something rather than sell it at the claimed fair market value. I'm particularly grateful for the insights from tax professionals who've seen these cases play out over years. The extended audit timeline, compounding penalties and interest, and the reality that promoters disappear when the IRS comes calling paint a clear picture of why these arrangements are so risky. For anyone considering similar schemes, the advice here is unanimous: legitimate tax planning should make economic sense independent of tax benefits. If the primary selling point is the tax deduction rather than the underlying investment merit, that's your red flag to walk away. I'll be sticking with conventional retirement contributions, legitimate business deductions, and actual charitable giving to causes I care about. Sometimes the boring approach really is the wise approach when it comes to taxes.

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Brian Downey

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This entire thread has been a masterclass in community-driven financial education. As someone who's relatively new to navigating complex tax situations, I'm incredibly grateful for how everyone has shared their real experiences - both the close calls and the actual disasters. What really drives the point home for me is hearing from the tax preparers and former Big 4 professionals who've seen these schemes from the inside. Their consistent message that the IRS has dedicated teams with sophisticated analytics to hunt down these patterns makes it clear that this isn't a game you want to play against the house. The economic substance test keeps coming up in these responses, and it's such a simple but powerful framework: would you do this transaction if there were no tax benefits? For volcanic ash donations, conservation easements, and similar schemes, the answer is obviously no - which tells you everything you need to know about their legitimacy. I'm bookmarking this discussion as required reading for anyone who gets pitched these "too good to be true" tax strategies. The collective wisdom here could save people from financial ruin. Thank you to everyone who took time to share their knowledge and protect fellow community members from these predatory schemes.

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Justin Evans

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I've been lurking in this community for a while but felt compelled to create an account just to add my voice to this discussion. As a forensic accountant who's worked on several IRS enforcement cases involving these exact types of schemes, I can confirm everything that's been shared here is spot-on. The volcanic ash arrangement you're describing follows the same playbook I've seen in conservation easements, artwork donations, and patent charity schemes. The IRS has become incredibly sophisticated at identifying these patterns - they use data mining to flag returns with similar charitable deduction amounts, asset types, and even common promoter language in supporting documentation. What many people don't realize is that when the IRS audits these arrangements, they don't just look at your individual return. They audit the entire syndicate - sometimes hundreds of taxpayers who participated in the same scheme. This creates a massive database of evidence that makes it nearly impossible for anyone to successfully defend the deductions. I've personally worked on cases where the penalties and interest exceeded the original tax "savings" by 3:1 ratios. The financial and emotional toll on families is devastating, especially when they realize the promoters have structured their businesses to be judgment-proof when the inevitable lawsuits start flying. Trust your gut on this one - if it sounds too good to be true, it absolutely is. The IRS didn't get fooled by these schemes when they were new, and they certainly won't now that they've had years to perfect their enforcement strategies.

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Omar Zaki

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This forensic accountant perspective is incredibly valuable - thank you for taking the time to create an account just to share this insight! The detail about the IRS auditing entire syndicates rather than individual returns really drives home how systematic their enforcement approach has become. The 3:1 ratio of penalties to original savings is absolutely staggering. That means someone who thought they "saved" $30K could end up owing $90K+ when all is said and done. Combined with the years of stress and uncertainty, it's hard to imagine any scenario where these schemes make sense from a risk-reward perspective. Your point about data mining and pattern recognition is particularly sobering. It sounds like the IRS has essentially automated the detection of these arrangements, making it nearly impossible to fly under the radar even if you think your specific transaction is unique or better structured. For anyone still considering volcanic ash or similar schemes after reading this thread, this forensic accountant's testimony should be the final nail in the coffin. When someone who's worked on the enforcement side tells you these arrangements consistently fail and cause devastating financial consequences, that's about as definitive as expert opinion gets. Thank you again for sharing your professional experience - it's exactly this kind of real-world insight that makes community discussions so valuable for protecting people from expensive mistakes.

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Emma Johnson

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This forensic perspective is exactly what people need to hear before making these decisions. The fact that you've worked enforcement cases involving these schemes and seen the 3:1 penalty ratios firsthand really puts the risk in stark perspective. I'm particularly struck by your point about the IRS auditing entire syndicates rather than individual returns. That means even if someone thinks they've done everything "right" with documentation and appraisals, they're essentially betting against a coordinated enforcement action that examines hundreds of similar transactions simultaneously. Those aren't good odds. The detail about promoters structuring their businesses to be judgment-proof when lawsuits start is especially concerning. It shows these aren't legitimate business arrangements - they're designed from the beginning with the expectation that participants will eventually need legal recourse, which tells you everything about how the promoters view the long-term viability of their schemes. Thank you for taking the time to share this professional insight. For anyone still on the fence about volcanic ash or similar arrangements after reading this entire thread, having a forensic accountant who's seen these cases from the enforcement side confirm all the warnings should be more than enough to walk away from these risky schemes.

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Has anyone here used the QSE HRA (Qualified Small Employer Health Reimbursement Arrangement) option instead of COBRA? When I got laid off I started my own single-person LLC and set this up. It lets you reimburse yourself tax-free for health insurance premiums up to certain limits. Might be something to look into if you're self-employed now!

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Laila Prince

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I've never heard of this! Is it complicated to set up? And does it work better than just taking the self-employed health insurance deduction? I've been doing freelance work but just deducting my premiums the regular way.

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The QSE HRA can be more tax-efficient than the standard self-employed health insurance deduction in some cases. With a QSE HRA, you can reimburse yourself up to $6,150 per year (2024 limits) for individual coverage, and it's completely tax-free - no income tax or self-employment tax on the reimbursement. Setting it up requires formal documentation and you have to follow specific rules (like offering it to all eligible employees if you have any), but for a single-person LLC it's pretty straightforward. The reimbursements are also exempt from FICA taxes, which gives you an advantage over the regular deduction method. You'll want to consult with a tax professional to make sure you set it up correctly, but it can definitely be worth it if you're paying significant premiums. @Drew Hathaway - have you found any downsides to using the QSE HRA approach?

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Connor Byrne

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I went through a very similar situation last year - laid off and maintaining COBRA while doing freelance work. The key thing I learned is that the self-employed health insurance deduction can be a real lifesaver, but there are some important limitations to be aware of. First, you can only deduct up to the amount of your self-employment income. So if you paid $8,000 in COBRA premiums but only made $5,000 in freelance income, you can only deduct $5,000. Second, you cannot take this deduction for any months you were eligible for employer-sponsored coverage elsewhere (including a spouse's plan). This caught me off guard initially. For reducing self-employment tax, make sure you're tracking every legitimate business expense - office supplies, software subscriptions, business meals, mileage for client meetings, etc. Also remember that you can deduct half of your self-employment tax as an adjustment to income, which helps reduce your overall tax burden. One thing that really helped me was keeping detailed records throughout the year rather than trying to reconstruct everything at tax time. Save all your COBRA payment confirmations and any business-related receipts.

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This is really helpful, especially the point about only being able to deduct up to your self-employment income amount. I'm just starting to navigate this whole situation myself after being laid off recently. Quick question - when you say "eligible for employer-sponsored coverage elsewhere," does that include if your spouse has a plan available at their job but you're not actually enrolled in it? Or only if you're actually covered by it? I'm trying to figure out if I need to worry about this limitation. Also, did you find any good apps or tools for tracking all those business expenses throughout the year? I'm terrible at keeping receipts organized and I know I'm probably missing out on deductions because of it.

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Great question about spouse coverage! The rule is about eligibility, not actual enrollment. So if your spouse has employer coverage available that you could join (even if you're not actually on it), that would disqualify you from taking the self-employed health insurance deduction for those months. It's pretty strict unfortunately. For expense tracking, I ended up using a combination of apps. I use Receipt Bank (now called Dext) to scan receipts with my phone immediately when I get them - it automatically categorizes them and stores everything in the cloud. For mileage, I use MileIQ which tracks my trips automatically using GPS. The key is to make it as automatic as possible so you don't forget. I also set up a separate business credit card for all my freelance expenses, which makes it much easier to track everything at year-end. @Connor Byrne might have other suggestions too since he seems to have this system down pat.

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Julian Paolo

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I went through something very similar last year! Based on your transaction amounts ($950 purchase, $920 sale), CashApp definitely won't be sending you a 1099-B since you're well under the $600 reporting threshold that others mentioned. Here's what I'd recommend: Don't wait any longer to file your taxes. You have everything you need right in the CashApp app. Go to your Bitcoin transaction history and document the purchase date (2021), purchase amount ($950), sale date (last month), and sale amount ($920). Since you held for over a year, this is a long-term capital loss of about $30. Even though $30 might seem small, it's still a legitimate deduction that can offset other income. Plus, if you're waiting for your refund, there's really no benefit to delaying your filing when you already have all the information you need. The IRS doesn't require you to have the 1099-B to report crypto transactions - you just need accurate records, which you can get directly from CashApp. I filed without waiting for forms and had zero issues with my return being processed.

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Ana Rusula

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This is exactly the kind of straightforward advice I needed to hear! I've been overthinking this whole situation and putting off filing my taxes for weeks now. You're absolutely right - I have all the information I need right there in the app, and waiting around for a form that's not coming is just costing me time and delaying my refund. I'm going to pull up my CashApp transaction history tonight and get this sorted out so I can finally file. Thanks for the reality check and for sharing your experience - it's really helpful to know that others have been through this exact same scenario successfully!

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Miguel Silva

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I've been dealing with crypto taxes for a few years now and want to echo what others have said - you definitely don't need to wait for a 1099-B to file your taxes, especially with such a straightforward transaction like yours. Since you're looking at a small loss (~$30), this will actually work in your favor tax-wise. That loss can offset other capital gains you might have, or up to $3,000 of ordinary income if you don't have gains to offset. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should double-check if CashApp charged you any transaction fees when you bought or sold the Bitcoin. Those fees get added to your cost basis (for purchases) or reduce your proceeds (for sales), which could increase your deductible loss slightly. Also, make sure you're reporting this as a long-term capital loss since you held for over a year. The good news is that even though you lost money on the investment, claiming this loss on Schedule D will help reduce your overall tax burden. Don't let waiting for a form that's probably not coming delay getting your refund!

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