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ShadowHunter

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Tell your coworker to google "IRS frivolous tax arguments" and look at the official IRS website. They literally have a whole section dedicated to debunking these exact schemes and warning about the $5,000 penalty for submitting these arguments. Also search for "tax protester cases" to see how many people have gone to PRISON for this stuff!

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My tax professor in college showed us cases where people got 3-5 years in federal prison for promoting these schemes! And those were just the people SELLING the idea, not even the ones following it. Scary stuff.

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Summer Green

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Your instincts are spot on - this is absolutely a scam and your coworker is playing with fire. I work in tax compliance and see the aftermath of these schemes regularly. The "Revocation of Election" is complete nonsense with no legal basis whatsoever. The scary thing is that people can get away with it for a few years, which makes them think they're safe. But the IRS has up to 6 years (or indefinitely in cases of fraud/non-filing) to come after you. When they do, it's devastating - we're talking about accumulated interest, failure-to-file penalties, failure-to-pay penalties, plus that $5,000 frivolous filing penalty for each year. I've seen cases where someone owed $15K in actual taxes but ended up owing over $60K after penalties and interest. Your coworker needs to get back into compliance immediately before this gets worse. The longer he waits, the more expensive this mistake becomes.

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Ethan Scott

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been trying to figure out how to approach my coworker about this without coming across as preachy. The numbers you mentioned really put it in perspective - turning a $15K tax bill into $60K+ is absolutely insane. Do you think there's any hope for someone to get penalties reduced if they voluntarily come forward before the IRS catches them? Or is he basically stuck with whatever massive bill has been accumulating? I'm hoping if I can show him there might be some way to minimize the damage by acting now, he might actually listen.

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As someone who just went through this exact situation last month, I can confirm what everyone is saying - you absolutely need to report ALL dividend income regardless of amount. I had $3.47 in dividends from some leftover stock and initially thought about skipping it, but after doing research (and talking to a tax professional), I learned that the IRS considers any unreported income as potential tax evasion, even tiny amounts. The key thing to remember is that even though your brokerage didn't send you a 1099-DIV, they still reported those payments to the IRS with your SSN. So the IRS knows you received that money, and if you don't report it, their matching systems could flag it later. I ended up calling my brokerage (Schwab) and they were super helpful - didn't need my password, just answered some security questions and they gave me the exact dividend amounts over the phone. Took maybe 10 minutes total. Way easier than trying to reset passwords or worry about whether I was reporting correctly. My advice: just call your brokerage, get the exact amount, and report it. The peace of mind is worth way more than the few cents in additional tax you'll owe!

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been stressing about my tiny dividend amounts too and wasn't sure if it was worth the hassle. Your experience with Schwab is encouraging - I have my account with them too and was dreading having to reset my password just for a few dollars in dividends. The point about the IRS already knowing about the payments through their SSN matching makes total sense. I guess I was thinking about this all wrong - it's not about whether the amount is "significant enough" to matter, it's about being compliant with reporting requirements regardless of the dollar amount. Thanks for sharing the security questions approach! I'm definitely going to try calling them tomorrow. Much better than spending hours trying to recover account access or worrying about whether I'm doing this right.

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TommyKapitz

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I'm dealing with a similar situation right now and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I have about $8 in dividends from a Robinhood account that I can't access (phone got stolen and lost my 2FA). After reading everyone's experiences, I'm definitely going to report it rather than risk any issues. The explanation about the $10 threshold being for when companies MUST send forms vs. when WE must report income really cleared up my confusion. I'm going to try calling Robinhood tomorrow to see if they can help me get the exact amount without logging in, like others mentioned worked with their brokerages. If that doesn't work, I'll probably go with one of the AI tax services mentioned here to make sure I'm handling this correctly. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - it's really reassuring to know I'm not the only one dealing with this kind of situation during tax season!

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Logan Scott

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This thread has been absolutely incredible to read through! As someone who's been working as an EA for about 3 years now, I wish I'd had access to this kind of comprehensive discussion when I was starting out and feeling uncertain about advertising my credentials. What I find most valuable here is how everyone approached the question from different angles and consistently arrived at the same conclusion - EAs can absolutely advertise their credentials, but precision in language is crucial. The distinction between saying "licensed by the IRS" (incorrect) versus "authorized by the U.S. Department of Treasury to practice before the IRS" (correct) is so important for compliance. I've been using "Enrolled Agent, federally authorized to represent taxpayers before the IRS" in my marketing materials, and seeing all the similar language examples here gives me confidence I'm on the right track. The fact that people verified this through multiple authoritative sources - from AI analysis of Circular 230 to direct calls with the Office of Professional Responsibility - really reinforces the reliability of this guidance. @NebulaKnight - looks like you'll need to concede this debate to your colleague, though the nuanced language requirements everyone discussed will definitely help both of you market your services more effectively and compliantly!

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Zainab Ahmed

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Logan, I couldn't agree more with your assessment! As someone who's been following this discussion closely, it's been fascinating to see how a simple workplace debate evolved into such a thorough exploration of EA advertising regulations. What really impresses me is the collaborative spirit everyone has shown here - from sharing AI tools like taxr.ai for regulatory analysis, to services like Claimyr for reaching IRS representatives, to experienced practitioners sharing their real-world compliance experiences. This is exactly the kind of knowledge-sharing that makes our professional community stronger. The consistency of answers across all these different research methods really builds confidence. Whether people analyzed Circular 230 directly, called the Office of Professional Responsibility, or drew from years of practice experience, everyone arrived at the same conclusion: EAs can and should advertise their credentials with proper language. I'm bookmarking all the compliant phrasing examples for future reference. "Enrolled Agent authorized by the U.S. Department of Treasury to practice before the IRS" seems to be the gold standard, and it's great to see variations like your "federally authorized to represent taxpayers before the IRS" that are equally compliant. Thanks to everyone who contributed - this thread will be an invaluable resource for EAs navigating these advertising regulations!

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This has been such an educational thread to follow! As someone who just passed the EA exam last month and is starting to think about how to market my new credential, this discussion couldn't have come at a better time. What really stands out to me is how this demonstrates the importance of seeking multiple authoritative sources rather than relying on hearsay or assumptions. The fact that people used everything from AI analysis of Circular 230 to direct calls with the IRS Office of Professional Responsibility, and all arrived at the same conclusion, gives me real confidence in the guidance. The key takeaway seems crystal clear: EAs absolutely CAN and SHOULD advertise their credentials - we've earned this federal authorization and taxpayers need to know about our qualifications. The critical element is using precise language that accurately represents what the credential means and who grants it. I'm taking notes on all the compliant phrasing examples shared here. "Enrolled Agent authorized by the U.S. Department of Treasury to practice before the IRS" appears to be the most precise and widely accepted language. It's such a relief to have this clarity as I start building my marketing materials. Thanks to everyone who took the time to research and share their experiences. This kind of collaborative knowledge-sharing is exactly what makes the EA community so valuable for practitioners at all stages of their careers!

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I've been reading through all these responses and they've been incredibly helpful! I'm in a very similar situation - owing around $3,100 for the past two years and getting increasingly anxious about whether the IRS might send a lock-in letter to my employer. What really struck me from this discussion is how the percentage-based analysis makes so much more sense than just looking at dollar amounts. At my income level of around $78k, I'm underwithholding by about 4%, which based on the insights from tax professionals here, seems to put me in the "monitoring" rather than "enforcement action" category. The consistent theme throughout all these responses about being proactive rather than waiting has really convinced me to take action. It's clear that the IRS prefers voluntary compliance and that fixing the issue now can prevent any escalation to enforcement measures. I'm planning to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator this weekend and submit an updated W-4 first thing Monday morning. Reading about everyone's positive experiences after taking proactive steps has given me so much confidence that this is the right approach. The anxiety of wondering "what if" is definitely worse than just addressing the issue head-on. Thanks to everyone who shared their real-world experiences and professional knowledge - this discussion has been more valuable than any official IRS publication I've tried to decipher!

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I'm so glad this discussion has been helpful for you too! Your situation sounds almost identical to mine - I was owing around $3,000 for two years and feeling that same anxiety about potential lock-in letters. What really helped me was realizing that at our income levels, we're in that middle zone where the IRS is monitoring but not immediately taking enforcement action. Your 4% underwithholding rate definitely seems to align with what the tax professionals here described as the "monitoring" category. I actually took action after reading through all these responses last week and used the IRS withholding calculator. It was much easier than I expected and showed I needed to increase my withholding by about $135 per paycheck. Already got my new W-4 submitted and the relief is incredible! The hardest part really was just getting started - once I actually used the calculator and saw the specific numbers, it felt totally manageable. You're absolutely right that the anticipation and worry is so much worse than just fixing it. Good luck with updating your W-4 this weekend!

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Chloe Zhang

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I work in payroll administration and have processed several lock-in letters over the years, so I wanted to share some practical insights from the employer side of this process. The lock-in letters we receive are quite specific - they tell us exactly what withholding rate to use and don't give us any discretion. What's interesting is that we typically receive these for employees who have been consistently underwithholding by significant amounts (usually $5,000+ annually) for at least 2-3 years. I've noticed the IRS tends to focus on cases where the underwithholding represents more than 8-10% of the employee's total tax liability. Before the lock-in letter arrives, we sometimes get calls from employees asking about adjusting their W-4 because they received warning notices from the IRS. In every case where an employee proactively fixed their withholding after getting a warning notice, we never received a subsequent lock-in letter for that person. From an employer perspective, these letters aren't embarrassing situations - we process them routinely and confidentially. However, they do override any W-4 the employee submits, so the employee loses control over their withholding until the IRS releases the lock-in (which can take years). My strong recommendation is to use the IRS withholding calculator now and adjust your W-4 before this escalates. At $3,500 owed for two years, you're likely still in the warning phase rather than enforcement, but taking action now will keep you out of the lock-in system entirely.

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Carmen Vega

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This is incredibly valuable insight from the employer side - thank you for sharing! It's really reassuring to hear that these letters are processed routinely and confidentially rather than being some big embarrassing situation. I had no idea that employers regularly deal with these. Your point about the 8-10% threshold aligns perfectly with what other tax professionals mentioned earlier in this thread. At $3,500 owed on my income, I'm definitely below that threshold, which gives me some breathing room. What really stands out to me is your observation that employees who proactively adjusted their withholding after warning notices never ended up getting lock-in letters. That's exactly the kind of real-world data point I was hoping to hear! It confirms that taking action now really does prevent escalation. The fact that lock-in letters override any W-4 changes and can last for years is definitely motivation to get ahead of this. I'm using the IRS withholding calculator this weekend and getting my W-4 updated before this potentially moves from the warning phase to enforcement. Thanks for the professional perspective!

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ThunderBolt7

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As someone who went through this exact scenario last year, I'd strongly recommend filing amended returns rather than waiting it out. I had about $4,800 in unreported dividends from 2021 that I completely forgot about, and I was in a similar income bracket to you. The IRS definitely does automated matching on dividend income - it's one of the most reliable income sources they cross-check because the 1099-DIV forms are filed electronically by brokerages. The fact that you haven't received a notice yet doesn't mean much; I've seen people get CP2000 notices 18+ months after filing. I ended up filing a 1040-X after consulting with a tax professional, and it was honestly the best decision. The additional tax was around $1,500 plus about $200 in interest, but no penalties since I voluntarily corrected it. If I had waited for them to catch it, I would have faced the 20% accuracy penalty on top of everything else. The peace of mind alone was worth it - no more wondering when that notice might show up in the mail. Plus, showing good faith by correcting your own mistake generally keeps you off their radar for future scrutiny.

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Carmen Vega

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Thanks for sharing your experience! That's really helpful to hear from someone who actually went through this. I'm curious - when you filed the 1040-X, did you have to provide any explanation for why you missed the dividends initially, or did you just correct the numbers? Also, how long did it take for the IRS to process your amended return? I'm leaning toward doing the same thing but want to know what to expect timeline-wise.

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Kai Santiago

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When I filed the 1040-X, I kept the explanation pretty simple - just wrote something like "Correcting unreported dividend income inadvertently omitted from original return" in the explanation section. No need to go into a long story about being new to investing or it slipping your mind. The processing time was longer than I expected - took about 4 months to get the refund check (since I had overpaid estimated taxes that year, the additional tax was less than what I'd already paid). The IRS website shows they're currently taking 16-20 weeks to process amended returns, so patience is key. One tip: make sure you have copies of all your 1099-DIV forms before filing. The IRS may request documentation to support the correction, and having everything organized makes the process smoother. Also, file the amendments for both years at the same time if possible - it shows you're being thorough about correcting the issue.

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I've been following this thread and wanted to add my perspective as someone who works in tax compliance. The automated matching system for dividend income is extremely reliable - the IRS receives 1099-DIV forms electronically from brokerages and their computers flag virtually every discrepancy, regardless of amount. Based on your income level ($190k), you're likely in the 32% marginal tax bracket, so the additional tax on $6,500 of dividends would be roughly $2,080 per year. Add the 20% accuracy penalty (about $416 per year) plus interest accruing from the original due dates, and you're looking at a significant amount that keeps growing. The timing of notices can be unpredictable due to IRS processing backlogs, but the three-year statute of limitations for assessment means they have until April 2026 and April 2027 to pursue those tax years. Given their improved systems and funding, waiting it out is increasingly risky. I'd strongly recommend filing amended returns (1040-X) for both years. You'll likely avoid the accuracy penalties, control the timing, and demonstrate good faith compliance. The interest will be much less than if you wait for notices, and you'll have peace of mind knowing the issue is resolved on your terms.

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This is really helpful analysis! I'm curious though - you mentioned the accuracy penalty is about $416 per year, but I've seen some conflicting info about when the IRS actually applies this penalty. Do they automatically assess it on all underreported income, or is there some discretion involved? Also, when filing the 1040-X, is there any way to request penalty relief upfront, or do you have to wait and see what they assess first? I'm trying to understand if there's any strategy to minimize the total cost beyond just filing the amendment quickly.

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