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This has been an incredibly helpful thread! As someone who's been on the fence about hiring my 12-year-old in my consulting business, seeing all these real experiences and practical tips has given me the confidence to move forward. A couple of things I'd add based on my research: Make sure you understand your state's specific child labor laws in addition to federal requirements. Some states have additional restrictions on hours or types of work for minors, even in family businesses. Also, I've found it helpful to think about this as a legitimate business decision, not just a tax strategy. Ask yourself: "Would I hire a non-family member to do this work?" If the answer is yes and the work genuinely benefits your business, you're probably on solid ground. One practical tip I haven't seen mentioned: Consider having your child submit a simple "timesheet" or work log at the end of each pay period, just like any other employee would. This creates another layer of documentation and helps them understand professional work habits. For those worried about IRS scrutiny, remember that this is a completely legal strategy when done properly. The key is treating it like the legitimate business arrangement it should be, not trying to game the system.

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This is exactly the kind of comprehensive approach I was hoping to see! Your point about treating it as a legitimate business decision rather than just a tax hack really resonates with me. I'm curious about the timesheet idea - do you have your child fill it out daily or just at the end of each pay period? I'm thinking daily might be better for accuracy, especially with younger kids who might forget what they did earlier in the week. Also, regarding state labor laws, I found that California (where the original poster is located) actually has some pretty specific rules about work permits and hours, even for family businesses. It might be worth checking with the state labor department just to be extra cautious. One more thought: has anyone considered having their child open a separate checking account specifically for their business earnings? It seems like it would create an even cleaner paper trail and help teach them about managing business vs. personal finances.

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As a CPA who works with family businesses, I want to emphasize the importance of getting your business structure clarified first. Since you mentioned you have an LLC in California, you need to determine how your LLC is taxed - as a sole proprietorship (default for single-member), partnership (if multi-member), S-Corp, or C-Corp election. This matters because the payroll tax treatment is different for each structure. If your LLC is taxed as a sole proprietorship or partnership, you're generally exempt from FICA taxes when hiring your own children under 18. However, if you've elected S-Corp or C-Corp taxation, you'll need to pay FICA taxes on their wages. Also, California has specific requirements for employing minors, even in family businesses. You'll need to obtain a permit to employ minors from the California Division of Labor Standards Enforcement, and there are restrictions on hours and types of work for children under 12. Make sure you understand these state-specific requirements in addition to federal tax considerations. The strategy can absolutely work, but getting the structure right from the beginning will save you headaches later. Consider consulting with a local CPA who understands both the tax implications and California labor law requirements.

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MidnightRider

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This is such valuable professional insight! As someone just starting to explore this option, I really appreciate you breaking down how the business structure affects the tax treatment. I had no idea about California's specific permit requirements for employing minors in family businesses. That seems like a crucial detail that could trip people up if they don't research the state requirements thoroughly. Quick question - when you say "permit to employ minors from the California Division of Labor Standards Enforcement," is this something that takes a long time to obtain? And are there ongoing compliance requirements once you have the permit, or is it more of a one-time thing? Also, for someone in the original poster's situation with an LLC filing jointly with their spouse, would you typically recommend staying with the default partnership taxation or would there be advantages to electing S-Corp status specifically for this child employment strategy?

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Zara Mirza

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Great question about the California permit process! From my experience, the permit to employ minors typically takes 2-3 weeks to process once you submit the application with required documentation (proof of business registration, worker's compensation coverage, etc.). There are ongoing compliance requirements - you'll need to maintain records of hours worked, ensure compliance with hour restrictions (generally no more than 3 hours on school days for children under 12), and renew the permit annually. Regarding the LLC taxation election, it really depends on their overall business income and tax situation. If they're making significant profits, S-Corp election could provide self-employment tax savings on the business income, but they'd lose the FICA tax exemption for their child's wages. The math needs to be run based on their specific numbers. For most small family LLCs where child employment is a primary goal, staying with default partnership taxation often makes more sense to preserve that FICA exemption. But definitely worth modeling both scenarios with a CPA to see what works best for their situation.

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I'm a tax professional and see this situation come up frequently during mortgage season! Just wanted to add some insider perspective that might help. Yes, the IRS absolutely still provides stamping services at Taxpayer Assistance Centers, but as others have mentioned, it's appointment-only now. However, before you go that route, definitely explore the alternatives others have suggested - many lenders have become much more flexible about what they'll accept as proof of filing. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that if you're working with a tax preparer or CPA, they can often provide a "client acknowledgment letter" that shows when you submitted your documents to them for filing. This isn't the same as an IRS stamp, but I've seen mortgage companies accept it as interim proof while waiting for official processing. Also, if you do need to mail your return via certified mail, make absolutely sure you're using the correct IRS processing center address for your state - this is crucial and using the wrong address can cause major delays. The IRS website has a "Where to File" lookup tool that's really helpful for this. Three weeks is actually a pretty comfortable timeline for this kind of issue - I've helped clients resolve similar situations in much less time. The key is starting with that conversation with your loan officer about alternatives, then having a backup plan ready. Don't let the stress overwhelm you - this is totally solvable!

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Carmen Vega

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This thread has been incredibly helpful - thank you to everyone who's shared their experiences! As someone who's never dealt with anything like this before, I was completely panicking when I first posted this question. I'm definitely going to start by calling my loan officer first thing tomorrow morning to ask about alternatives before pursuing the IRS appointment route. The certified mail option that so many people have mentioned sounds like it could be a much simpler solution, and I'm hopeful my lender will accept it. It's amazing how many different alternatives exist that I never would have known about without this community's input. Sometimes when you're stressed, you get tunnel vision and think there's only one way to solve a problem. I'm feeling much more confident now knowing that multiple people have successfully navigated this exact situation, many with even tighter deadlines than mine. The practical tips about timing, required documents, and backup plans are invaluable. I'll definitely update this thread once I get through the process in case it helps someone else in the future. This community is truly amazing for situations like this where you need real-world advice from people who've actually been there!

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I'm so glad this thread has been helpful for you! As someone who's been through the home buying process, I totally understand that initial panic when unexpected document requirements come up. It's completely normal to feel overwhelmed when you're dealing with something you've never encountered before. Your plan to call the loan officer first thing tomorrow is exactly the right approach. I can't tell you how many times I've seen people stress over complex solutions when their lender would have accepted something much simpler. The certified mail option really does seem to be widely accepted, so I'm optimistic that will work out for you. It's great that you're planning to update the thread afterward - that kind of follow-through really helps future community members who find themselves in similar situations. There's nothing quite like hearing how things actually turned out from someone who went through the whole process. You've got this! With three weeks and all the great advice in this thread, you're going to get through this just fine. Before you know it, you'll be holding those keys and this will just be a distant memory from your home buying journey. Best of luck with your closing!

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Another thing to consider - if any single person donated more than $17,000 to you in 2023, THEY might need to file a gift tax return (Form 709). This doesn't affect you as the recipient though, and doesn't mean the gift becomes taxable to you. It's just a reporting requirement for large gifts from the donor's side.

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Amara Chukwu

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That's helpful but I think most GoFundMe donations are small amounts from multiple people rather than large sums from individuals. Doubt many people are hitting that threshold for a single recipient.

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Yuki Tanaka

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I'm so sorry for what you and your family are going through. Having dealt with similar fundraising during my grandmother's final months, I completely understand the stress of wondering about tax implications on top of everything else. The good news is that what you received are indeed gifts, not taxable income. Since you're well under the $20,000 and 200 transaction thresholds for 1099-K reporting, the platforms won't be sending you any tax forms. You don't need to report these donations as income on your tax return. However, I'd strongly recommend keeping detailed records of all donations received and how the funds were used - bank statements, screenshots of the fundraising pages, receipts for medical expenses, etc. This documentation will be invaluable if you ever need to explain these deposits to the IRS. The fact that your friend initially set up the GoFundMe shouldn't be an issue as long as it was clearly for personal medical expenses and the funds came directly to you. Just make sure it wasn't accidentally set up as a charitable organization fundraiser. You're smart to consult with your family's CPA before filing season. They'll be able to review your specific situation and provide peace of mind. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm relieved to hear that these are considered gifts and not taxable income. I've been losing sleep worrying about this on top of everything else with my mom's situation. I definitely want to make sure I have good documentation like you mentioned. I've been saving all the bank statements showing the deposits, but I should probably also screenshot the GoFundMe page and save the Venmo transaction history before anything gets deleted. One question - when you say "how the funds were used," do I need to track every single dollar spent? Like if I used some for gas money to drive back and forth to the hospital, or groceries during the weeks I was staying with my mom, does that all need to be documented individually? Or is it okay to just show that the total amount went toward medical and related caregiving expenses?

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Self Employment vs Hobby Income for Online Surveys and Product Testing - Which Tax Rules Apply?

I need some clarity on a tax situation since I've been getting mixed answers everywhere online. This past year I started making money by participating in online interviews and product testing. I sign up with different websites and do things like survey completion, product feedback, and Zoom interviews with various companies - mostly in the tech sector. I don't work for these sites directly - they just send payments to my Venmo whenever I complete a task. My only connection to them is creating an online account, verifying my identity, and linking my payment method. Think platforms like UserCrowd or TestingTime. I did better than expected and ended up making around $4,100 in 2024. Now with tax season coming up, I'm confused about how to report this income. In my mind, this seems like hobby income since I have no fixed schedule, no hourly requirements, and zero obligation to these platforms. I'm not logging in for shifts like you would with delivery apps - I'm just checking websites when I feel like it and picking up paid tasks. Sometimes I'll do this for 15 minutes, other times for 3 hours if I'm bored and want extra cash. But then I see people arguing this is actually self employment and that I'm essentially running a business similar to a gig worker. The line between hobby income and self employment seems incredibly blurry when I research it. If I win money playing online chess tournaments, am I self-employed? If someone pays me to participate in focus groups occasionally, is that self employment? I don't see how that's different from getting paid to test products online. I know I need to report this income regardless, but paying the additional 15% self employment tax seems excessive if this truly counts as a hobby. I don't want to overpay if I don't have to. I've done my own taxes for years but this situation is new to me. What's the correct classification according to IRS rules?

Jibriel Kohn

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This thread has been incredibly educational - thank you everyone for sharing your experiences and knowledge! As someone who just started doing user testing and survey work this year (made about $2,800 so far), I was completely confused about how to handle this tax-wise. The point about hobby expense deductions being eliminated really clarifies things. I was initially leaning toward hobby income because of the flexible schedule, but it sounds like self-employment is actually the better choice financially since I can deduct my expenses. I've been using a corner of my living room with a dedicated desk setup for video interviews, plus I bought a ring light and better microphone specifically for this work. Based on the advice here, it sounds like I can deduct a portion of these costs along with internet and phone expenses. One question - for those who've been doing this longer, do you recommend keeping a detailed log of hours worked, or is tracking payments received sufficient for tax purposes? I've been pretty casual about record-keeping so far but want to make sure I'm covering my bases if I get audited. Also planning to start making quarterly estimated payments now that I understand the $1,000 threshold. Better to be proactive than deal with penalties later!

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Welcome to the community! You're asking great questions and it's smart to get your record-keeping sorted out early. For tracking purposes, I'd recommend keeping both payment records AND some basic time logs. While the IRS doesn't require detailed hour tracking for self-employment, having a record of when you worked can help support your business expense deductions and demonstrate that this is legitimate business activity rather than casual hobby work. I use a simple spreadsheet that tracks: date, platform/company, type of task (survey, interview, product test), time spent, and payment received. This takes maybe 30 seconds per task but gives you solid documentation. Also helpful for identifying which platforms are most profitable! For equipment purchases like your ring light and microphone, keep the receipts and note the business use percentage. Since you bought them specifically for this work, you can likely deduct the full cost (or depreciate them over time if they're expensive items). One tip that's helped me - take photos of your workspace setup to document your home office space for potential deductions. Shows the IRS you have a legitimate business operation, not just occasional hobby work. You're definitely on the right track with quarterly payments. Starting that habit early will save you headaches down the road!

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Paolo Rizzo

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Great discussion everyone! As a tax professional, I want to emphasize a few key points that have been touched on but are worth reinforcing: **The $400 threshold is crucial** - Once your net self-employment earnings exceed $400, you're required to file Schedule SE and pay self-employment tax regardless of whether you call it a hobby or business. At $4,100, you're well over this threshold. **Documentation is your friend** - Keep records of all payments received, even if they come through Venmo or other payment apps. These platforms will likely report your earnings to the IRS anyway, so you want to make sure your records match what they report. **The "exclusive use" test for home office** can be tricky - If you're doing interviews from your bedroom or living room that you also use for personal activities, you might not qualify for the traditional home office deduction. However, the simplified method ($5/sq ft) is more forgiving and might still work. **Consider opening a separate business checking account** - Even though you're receiving payments through Venmo, having a dedicated account for your testing income and business expenses makes record-keeping much cleaner and looks more professional if you're ever audited. **Don't forget about state taxes** - Everything we've discussed applies to federal taxes, but don't forget to check your state's requirements. Some states have different rules for self-employment income and business deductions. The consensus here is correct - treat this as self-employment income and take advantage of the business expense deductions to minimize your tax burden.

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This is a really comprehensive discussion with excellent points from everyone! I'm dealing with a similar situation and wanted to add one more consideration that might be relevant. If you do end up filing Form 1065, make sure you understand the timing requirements. Partnership returns are due March 15th (with possible extension to September 15th), which is earlier than individual returns. Missing the deadline can result in penalties that multiply by the number of partners, so even though it's just you and your spouse, late filing penalties can add up quickly. Also, regarding the depreciation question that started this thread - if you go the Form 1065 route, you might want to consider having the LLC pay you and your spouse a guaranteed payment for the use of the property. This creates a deductible expense for the LLC and taxable income for you personally, where you can then claim the depreciation on Schedule E. Your tax professional can help structure this properly. One last thought - given all the complexity discussed here, it might be worth revisiting whether the LLC structure is still the best fit for your situation. Sometimes the tax complications outweigh the liability benefits, especially for a single rental property. You could potentially get similar liability protection through proper insurance coverage without the partnership tax filing requirements.

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@92434574153c Great point about the March 15th deadline! I wish someone had mentioned that earlier - we almost missed it last year because I was focused on the April individual deadline. The penalty structure for partnerships is no joke. Your suggestion about revisiting the LLC structure entirely is really insightful. We set up our LLC thinking it was the obvious choice for liability protection, but after going through a year of partnership tax filings and all the associated complexity, I'm starting to wonder if we overcomplicated things. The guaranteed payment approach you mentioned is interesting - we ended up doing something similar after our CPA recommended it. The LLC pays us rent for using the property, which creates a clean deduction for the partnership and lets us handle depreciation on our personal return. It felt weird at first "paying ourselves rent" but it actually simplified the tax reporting quite a bit. Has anyone here actually compared the liability protection of an LLC versus just having really good umbrella insurance coverage? I'm curious if the tax headaches are really worth it for a single rental property.

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Great question about LLC vs umbrella insurance! I actually went through this exact analysis last year with my insurance agent and attorney. For a single rental property, a good umbrella policy (we went with $2M coverage) costs about $300/year and covers personal liability from the rental activity. Compare that to LLC annual fees, separate tax filings, and the complexity we've all been discussing here. The key difference is that an LLC provides "entity-level" protection - if there's a major lawsuit, they can go after the LLC's assets (the rental income, bank accounts) but generally can't "pierce the veil" to get your personal assets. With umbrella insurance, you're covered for liability up to the policy limits, but the property itself and rental income aren't in a separate legal entity. Our attorney's take was that for one property with good tenants and proper maintenance, umbrella insurance often provides adequate protection without the tax headaches. But if you're planning to acquire multiple properties or have higher-risk situations (like short-term rentals), the LLC structure becomes more valuable despite the complexity. We ended up keeping our LLC because we're planning to buy another rental next year, but honestly, if it was just going to be the one property, I probably would have dissolved it and gone the insurance route after experiencing all these tax complications firsthand.

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