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Demi Hall

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I've been following this thread closely because I'm in a very similar situation - filed my Section 475(f) election with my 2023 return and have been anxiously waiting for some kind of confirmation that never came. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful and reassuring. The consistent message that "no news is good news" with the IRS for these elections makes sense, even though it's counterintuitive when you're used to getting confirmations for important financial decisions. What really struck me was the advice about maintaining detailed records and implementing MTM accounting immediately rather than waiting for confirmation. I've been hesitating to start the daily position tracking, but it's clear that's the wrong approach. If the election was going to be rejected, the IRS would have notified me by now. For anyone else dealing with this uncertainty, I think the key takeaways from this discussion are: 1. Keep all your documentation (election statement, certified mail receipts, return acceptance proof) 2. Start tracking positions daily and preparing for Schedule C reporting 3. The IRS doesn't confirm these elections - they only contact you if there's a problem 4. Services like Claimyr can help you get through to the IRS if you really need direct confirmation Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences. It's made me much more confident about moving forward with MTM implementation for 2024!

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This thread has been so valuable for all of us dealing with MTM election uncertainty! I'm also a newcomer to this community and have been lurking while trying to figure out my own Section 475(f) situation. What I appreciate most about everyone's responses is the practical advice about moving forward despite the lack of IRS confirmation. I filed my election in March and have been paralyzed by the uncertainty, but reading these experiences has convinced me to stop waiting and start implementing proper MTM accounting practices. One thing I'd add for other newcomers - I found it helpful to connect with other traders who've gone through this process. The isolation of not knowing if you're doing things correctly can be overwhelming, but communities like this really help normalize what is apparently a very common experience with MTM elections. @Demi Hall, your summary of key takeaways is perfect. I'm bookmarking this thread for future reference and finally going to start that daily position tracking spreadsheet I've been putting off. Thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge and experiences - it's made a huge difference in my confidence level!

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As someone new to this community, I want to thank everyone for this incredibly thorough discussion! I'm actually in the exact same situation as Noah - filed my Section 475(f) MTM election with my 2023 return earlier this year and have been anxiously checking for some kind of confirmation that never came. Reading through all these responses has been like finding a goldmine of practical information. The consistent message that the IRS operates on a "deemed approved unless rejected" basis for MTM elections is both reassuring and frustrating - reassuring because it means my election is likely valid, but frustrating because there's no way to get that peace of mind confirmation we all want. What I'm taking away from this discussion: 1. Keep meticulous records of everything (which I thankfully did with certified mail) 2. Start implementing MTM accounting practices immediately for 2024 3. Prepare to file Schedule C instead of Schedule D going forward 4. Stop waiting for confirmation that will never come The practical tips about daily position tracking and using consistent pricing sources are invaluable. I've been putting off starting my MTM implementation because of the uncertainty, but it's clear that's the wrong approach. Thanks especially to those who shared their multi-year experiences with MTM filing - it really helps to know that the anxiety decreases over time and that the process becomes routine. For anyone else in this boat, it sounds like we just need to trust the process and move forward with confidence!

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Julian Paolo

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I'm new to this community and currently dealing with RIVO status for the first time myself! I filed my return in late February and have been stuck in this status for about 5 weeks now. Like so many others have shared, I was initially really panicked thinking I had made some major mistake on my return. This thread has been incredibly educational and reassuring. Learning that RIVO stands for Return Integrity Verification Operation and is essentially an automated fraud prevention system that cross-checks our returns against IRS databases really put my mind at ease. The statistic about RIVO cases increasing by 40% this year compared to last year definitely explains why so many of us are encountering this for the first time! I took everyone's advice and set up my IRS online account to check my transcript - you're all absolutely right that it shows much more detail than the basic "Where's My Refund" tool. I can see the 570 hold code on my account, so now I'm watching for that 571 release code that indicates when the hold gets lifted. At 5 weeks, I'm hoping to see some movement soon based on all the timelines people have shared here. It's such a relief to know this is just their standard verification process and that most people receive their full refund amount with no adjustments. The automated nature of it is both comforting (no subjective human decisions) and frustrating (nothing we can do to speed it up), but at least I understand what's happening now. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their experiences and advice - it makes this waiting period so much less stressful knowing we're not alone in this process!

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Welcome to the community! I'm also new here and just started my RIVO journey myself - I filed in early March and I'm only at about 2 weeks in. Your 5-week timeline is really helpful to know about since it gives me an idea of what to expect as this process continues. Like you, I had never heard of RIVO before this year and was initially terrified I'd made some error. This thread has been such a lifesaver for understanding what's actually happening! The 40% increase statistic really does put things in perspective - no wonder so many of us first-timers are dealing with this. I also set up the IRS online account after reading everyone's recommendations and you're spot on about the transcript being way more detailed than the basic refund tool. Since you're at 5 weeks, hopefully you'll see that 571 release code soon based on all the timelines shared here. The automated aspect is definitely both reassuring and frustrating like you said, but at least we know what we're dealing with now!

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Liv Park

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I'm new to this community and currently going through my first RIVO experience, so this thread has been incredibly helpful! I filed in early February and have been stuck in this status for about 6 weeks now. Like everyone else has mentioned, I was initially terrified that I had made some major error on my return. Reading through all these experiences has been such a relief - especially learning that RIVO stands for Return Integrity Verification Operation and is part of their automated fraud prevention system. That 40% increase in cases this year really explains why so many of us are dealing with this for the first time! I followed the advice here and set up my IRS online account to check my transcript. You're all absolutely right that it provides much more detail than the "Where's My Refund" tool. I can see the 570 hold code and I'm now anxiously watching for that 571 release code everyone talks about. At 6 weeks, I'm hoping to see movement soon based on all the timelines shared here. The waiting is definitely the hardest part, especially when you're counting on that refund for planned expenses. But knowing this is just standard verification and that most people get their full refund amount with no adjustments makes the wait much more bearable. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and timelines - it's so reassuring to know we're not alone in this process and that patience really is the key!

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I think most people are overthinking this. I've been running a home catering business for 12 years and here's what my CPA told me: Take the total square footage of your home, figure out what percentage your kitchen represents, then determine what percentage of time the kitchen is used for business vs. personal. Example: If your kitchen is 15% of your home's square footage, and you use it 70% for business, you can deduct 10.5% (15% Ɨ 70%) of your home expenses like mortgage interest, property taxes, utilities, insurance, etc. For major renovations, you can depreciate the business portion. In your case, if the renovation costs $32,000, you'd depreciate $3,360 (10.5% of $32,000) over 27.5 years. For appliances specifically used for business, you can depreciate them separately over 5-7 years, or potentially use Section 179 to deduct them immediately. It's not that complicated if you keep good records. I've been through an audit and this approach held up fine.

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Emma Olsen

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That's helpful but I think you might be missing some potential deductions. If the kitchen remodel specifically enhances the business functionality (like adding commercial-grade equipment), couldn't more of it be allocated to business use than just the square footage percentage?

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You're absolutely right, and that's a good point I should have clarified. If certain aspects of the renovation are specifically for business purposes (like installing commercial-grade appliances, special ventilation systems required for commercial cooking, or expanded prep areas specifically for catering), those particular elements can potentially be allocated at a higher business-use percentage or even fully deducted as direct business expenses. For example, in my case, I installed a second commercial oven that I use exclusively for catering. My CPA had me depreciate that as 100% business equipment rather than using the general square footage allocation. Similarly, the extra electrical work needed specifically for that commercial equipment was treated as a direct business expense. The key is being able to clearly document and justify why certain improvements are primarily or exclusively for business purposes.

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Great insights from everyone here! As someone who's dealt with similar home business kitchen deductions, I'd add that documentation is absolutely crucial. The IRS loves to see contemporaneous records, so start tracking your business vs personal kitchen usage RIGHT NOW, even before you do the renovation. I recommend creating a simple log where you note the time spent on business activities in the kitchen each day. Also take "before" photos of your current setup and detailed "after" photos once the renovation is complete, showing which areas and equipment are used primarily for business. One thing I learned the hard way: if you're installing any new electrical, plumbing, or ventilation specifically required for commercial-grade equipment, those costs can often be fully allocated to business use rather than using the general percentage approach. My electrician had to upgrade my panel and add dedicated circuits for my commercial convection oven - that was 100% business expense. Also consider timing - if you're expecting a particularly profitable year, taking the Section 179 deduction for qualifying equipment might make more sense than depreciating over time. But if your business income varies significantly year to year, spreading the deduction through depreciation might provide more consistent tax benefits.

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This is really helpful advice about documentation timing! I'm curious about the electrical upgrades you mentioned - did you need to get permits for that work, and if so, does having official permits help strengthen the case that those improvements were necessary business expenses? Also, when you say "contemporaneous records," how detailed should the daily log be? Should I be noting specific activities like "prep work for Johnson wedding" or is "business use: 4 hours" sufficient?

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LunarLegend

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Has anyone tried adjusting their withholdings to compensate for the marriage tax situation? My husband and I discovered this "penalty" last year and ended up owing $2,700 when we'd both previously gotten refunds filing separately. We're trying to figure out if we should change our W-4s.

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Absolutely! After getting hit with a surprise tax bill our first year married, we updated both our W-4 forms to withhold at the "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" option. We also added some additional withholding (about $50 per paycheck each). Ended up with a small refund instead of owing thousands. The IRS has a withholding calculator on their website that's really helpful for figuring out the right amount to withhold based on both incomes. Most people don't realize you need to recalculate when both spouses work.

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Omar Mahmoud

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I went through this exact same shock when my spouse and I got married three years ago! We were both making around $70k each and suddenly went from getting decent refunds to owing money. What really helped us was understanding that the "marriage penalty" isn't actually about the government penalizing marriage - it's more about how the tax brackets are structured. The key insight for us was realizing that while we paid more in taxes the first year, we also had access to benefits we didn't have before. We could max out retirement contributions more strategically (like doing a spousal IRA), our health insurance became cheaper with family coverage, and we qualified for some tax credits we couldn't get individually. Also, don't forget that once you're married, you have the option of married filing separately if that ever works out better for your specific situation, though it rarely does. The real financial benefits of marriage often show up in areas beyond just the annual tax return - things like Social Security benefits, estate planning, and combined insurance coverage.

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This is really helpful to hear from someone who's been through it! I'm curious about the spousal IRA you mentioned - how does that work exactly? My partner doesn't currently have a 401k at their job, so we're trying to figure out the best retirement savings strategy once we're married. Did you find that the combined approach actually saved you more money in the long run despite the initial tax hit?

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Diego Vargas

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Slightly different perspective - you could consider making an S-Corp election effective 1/1/24 even though it's past the deadline. The IRS allows for late S-Corp elections if you have "reasonable cause." Given that you were already operating as if you were an S-Corp (paying yourself W-2 wages), you might have a case for relief under Revenue Procedure 2013-30.

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This is actually good advice. I was able to get a late S-Corp election approved retroactively by explaining that I misunderstood the filing requirements but had been functioning as an S-Corp in practice. Saved me from having to amend multiple years of returns.

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Ava Williams

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I went through almost the exact same situation last year! My SMLLC had been paying me W-2 wages for three years without S-Corp election. After panicking for weeks, I ended up working with a tax attorney who helped me file for late S-Corp election under Revenue Procedure 2013-30. The key was demonstrating that I had "reasonable cause" - specifically that I was operating in good faith as if I were an S-Corp (regular payroll, proper withholdings, etc.) but simply missed the technical filing requirement. We submitted Form 2553 with a detailed explanation letter showing my payroll records and explaining the misunderstanding. The IRS approved the retroactive election back to my original intended date, which meant I didn't have to amend any returns or deal with the Schedule C conversion. The whole process took about 6 months, but it was way less painful than I expected. Definitely worth exploring before you commit to amending multiple years of returns!

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