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Connor Richards

UCC foreclosure process completely stalled - lender claiming invalid continuation

Really need some guidance here. We're 8 months into what should have been a straightforward UCC foreclosure process on equipment collateral (construction machinery worth about $340K). The debtor defaulted back in March, we sent all proper notices, but now everything's grinding to a halt because opposing counsel is claiming our UCC-1 continuation from 2019 was defective. They're saying the debtor name doesn't exactly match what's on the original 2014 filing - something about 'LLC' vs 'L.L.C.' punctuation. Our attorney says this is just delay tactics but I'm getting nervous. Has anyone dealt with debtor name challenges derailing a UCC foreclosure process? The equipment is sitting there depreciating while we argue over periods and commas. This can't be normal.

Lily Young

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This might be worth running through one of those UCC document checkers I keep hearing about - Certana or something similar. If you can get an automated analysis showing the name variation isn't seriously misleading, it might help convince the court or opposing counsel to drop the challenge.

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That's the second mention of Certana in this thread. Might be worth looking into if it can provide useful analysis for litigation purposes.

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I used Certana for a similar UCC issue - you just upload your filing PDFs and it cross-checks everything for consistency issues. Pretty straightforward and the analysis reports are detailed enough for legal purposes.

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Wesley Hallow

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Keep us posted on how this resolves! These UCC foreclosure process disputes are becoming more common and it's helpful to know how courts are handling technical challenges to continuation filings.

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Justin Chang

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Good luck! Sounds like you have a solid position, just need to push through the delay tactics.

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Grace Thomas

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Agreed - this seems like a weak challenge that should get dismissed on summary judgment if you present the evidence clearly.

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PixelWarrior

UCC form fillable PDF fields not working in Adobe - debtor name issues

Having major headaches with fillable UCC-1 forms downloaded from our state SOS website. The PDF fields seem to work fine for most sections, but when I try to enter the debtor organization name in the fillable field, it either cuts off after 35 characters or completely scrambles the text when I save it. I've tried both Adobe Reader and Acrobat Pro - same issue. This is for a commercial equipment loan where the debtor name is 'Advanced Manufacturing Solutions and Industrial Supply Corp LLC' which obviously exceeds typical field limits. Anyone else running into problems with fillable UCC forms where the debtor name gets truncated or corrupted? I'm worried about filing a UCC-1 with an incomplete debtor name since that could void the entire perfection. The loan closes next week and I can't afford any filing rejections due to name issues.

Amina Toure

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Oh man, I remember dealing with this same thing! My solution was honestly just to call the Secretary of State office and ask them directly what they recommend for long entity names. The person I talked to was actually really helpful and told me their system could handle longer names if I filed by mail instead of online.

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Amina Toure

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They said mail filings usually take 3-5 business days versus same-day for electronic, but they also said mail filings have fewer technical rejections because they're reviewed by humans instead of automated systems.

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The human review aspect is appealing when you're dealing with edge cases like unusually long entity names.

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Oliver Weber

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This thread is super helpful! I'm bookmarking this because I know I'll run into the same issue eventually. It seems like there are several viable workarounds depending on your state's specific system.

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Same here. It's good to know about these PDF limitations before you're up against a deadline.

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PixelWarrior

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Thanks everyone for all the suggestions! I'm going to try the online portal first, and if that doesn't work, I'll call the SOS office about mail filing options. Really appreciate the help.

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Zainab Ahmed

NY State UCC Search Results Show Wrong Filing Status - Need Help Verifying

Been trying to run a proper ny state ucc search on some collateral we financed last year and the results are completely inconsistent. When I search by debtor name I get different results than when I search by filing number, and some continuations aren't showing up at all even though we filed them months ago. Has anyone else had issues with the NY UCC database showing outdated or incomplete information? I'm worried we might have liens that aren't properly perfected because the search results don't match our internal records. The original UCC-1 shows as active but two of our UCC-3 amendments from this year aren't appearing in the search results. This is for a $2.8M equipment financing deal so getting this sorted is pretty critical.

Just a thought - are you absolutely certain the UCC-3 amendments were accepted by the filing office? Sometimes they get rejected for technical errors but the rejection notices end up in spam folders.

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Also check your online filing account if you used the electronic portal - rejection notices sometimes only appear there.

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Yara Abboud

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Good point - I've had rejections that only showed up as status updates in the filing portal, never got emailed.

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Omar Fawzi

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UPDATE: Just ran another ny state ucc search after reading this thread and found one of my missing UCC-3s finally appeared in the system. Looks like there really are significant indexing delays right now. Still missing one amendment though, so going with the Certana verification approach to make sure all my documents are consistent before I refile anything.

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Zainab Ahmed

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That's encouraging that at least some of the delays are just system processing. I'll give it another week before panicking completely.

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Omar Fawzi

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Yeah but definitely verify your document consistency first - no point waiting for a filing to appear if it has errors that will prevent proper perfection anyway.

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Aaron Boston

Missed the closing date for UCC forms - equipment financing fell through

Our SBA loan officer just informed us that we missed some kind of closing date for UCC forms and now our $180K equipment financing package is in jeopardy. The dealership had assured us everything was filed properly back in October, but apparently there's a 5-year continuation deadline we weren't aware of. The original UCC-1 was filed in 2020 and we never received any notices about needing to file a continuation. Now the lender is saying our security interest may have lapsed and they're reconsidering the entire loan approval. Has anyone dealt with this kind of situation? Is there any way to fix this or are we completely out of luck? The equipment delivery was supposed to happen next week and we've already made partial payments.

Fiona Sand

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For future reference, there are services that monitor UCC filings and send automatic renewal notices. Certana.ai has a document verification tool that can catch these kinds of discrepancies before they become problems. You upload your loan documents and UCC filings and it flags any inconsistencies or upcoming deadlines. Would have caught this issue months ago.

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Definitely something to consider for the next equipment purchase. These kinds of technical filing issues can kill deals even when everyone thinks they're doing everything right.

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Aaron Boston

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Adding that to my list of things to research once we get through this current crisis. Thanks for the tip.

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Just want to add that this is exactly why a lot of companies are moving away from equipment dealers handling their UCC filings. Too many moving parts and too much room for miscommunication. Consider working directly with a filing service or having your attorney handle it going forward.

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Finnegan Gunn

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Especially with the 5-year continuation deadlines. It's a long time to keep track of, and staff turnover means the person who filed the original UCC-1 might not even be there when the continuation is due.

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Exactly. That's why automated systems and direct relationships with filing services are becoming more popular. Takes the human error element out of the equation.

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LunarLegend

UCC perfection by possession - equipment secured loan complications with lender custody requirements

Having major headaches with a commercial equipment financing deal where the lender insists on UCC perfection by possession instead of filing. We've got $485K in manufacturing equipment (CNC machines, industrial printers) that the borrower needs for daily operations but the bank wants physical control to perfect their security interest. The equipment can't realistically be moved to their facility and keeping it at borrower's location while maintaining 'possession' seems legally questionable. Borrower is threatening to find different financing if we can't resolve this custody issue. Anyone dealt with similar possession-based perfection scenarios? The collateral is too valuable and operationally critical for traditional possession arrangements but lender's internal policies require possession over filing for equipment over $400K.

Aisha Mahmood

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Just went through this exact scenario three months ago. Lender wanted possession of $520K medical equipment that hospital needed for patient care. We prepared detailed analysis showing how UCC filing provided equivalent security with operational flexibility. Included examples from other similar deals, industry standards, and legal precedents. Lender approved filing approach after reviewing the documentation.

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Aisha Mahmood

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Both - legal foundation for filing adequacy plus business case for operational continuity. The combination was persuasive.

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Comprehensive analysis usually works better than just arguing against their policy without alternatives.

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Ethan Clark

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PERFECTION BY POSSESSION FOR MANUFACTURING EQUIPMENT IS INSANE! Sorry for caps but this drives me nuts. Banks that don't understand basic UCC perfection methods shouldn't be doing equipment financing. File the UCC-1, get proper collateral descriptions, and move on. If they won't accept standard industry practice, find a different lender.

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Sean Flanagan

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Passion aside, you're absolutely right about filing being standard for operational equipment.

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LunarLegend

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I appreciate the intensity - this situation is definitely frustrating when standard practices should apply.

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