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Lucas Adams

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Bottom line - your quoted price is within normal range but definitely shop around. For a deal that size, spending time to save a few thousand on searches is probably worth it. Just don't cut corners on thoroughness.

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Margot Quinn

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Thanks everyone. Going to call around for competing quotes and ask about volume discounts. Will also look into that Certana tool for verification once I get the results back.

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Harper Hill

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Good plan. Let us know how it works out - always curious about current market pricing for these services.

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Nora Bennett

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I'd suggest getting quotes from at least 3-4 different UCC search services before committing. CT Corporation, CSC, and National Corporate Research all compete in this space and pricing can vary significantly. Also ask specifically about "portfolio discount" pricing - many services have special rates for M&A due diligence that aren't advertised on their standard rate sheets. With 180 entities you should definitely qualify for bulk pricing. One tip: if you provide an Excel file with all entity names and jurisdictions organized, most services will give you a firmer quote and sometimes a small additional discount for the streamlined processing.

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Oliver Becker

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Great advice on the multiple quotes approach. I've found that having that organized Excel file really does make a difference - it shows you're serious and makes their job easier. Also worth asking if any of these services offer expedited processing options since your timeline is tight. Sometimes paying a small rush fee can be cheaper than going with a more expensive service that promises faster turnaround.

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Lourdes Fox

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As someone who's dealt with similar Delaware LLC naming issues, I can confirm that the comma absolutely matters. I had a case last year where "Texas Energy Partners, LLC" vs "Texas Energy Partners LLC" caused a three-week delay because the filing was rejected twice. The frustrating part is that most clients don't understand why punctuation matters so much, but the UCC search logic is very literal. One tip I'd add to the great advice already given - if you're filing in multiple states for the same debtor, make sure you're consistent with the exact Delaware name across all jurisdictions. Some attorneys get sloppy and use variations between states, which can create search issues later. Also, keep a screenshot or printout of the Delaware database page showing the exact name as backup documentation in your file. It's saved me in disputes where clients later claimed I used the "wrong" name.

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CosmicCaptain

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This is such valuable practical advice! The screenshot documentation tip is brilliant - I never thought about keeping that kind of backup evidence in case there are disputes later. You're absolutely right about client confusion too. I spent way too much time yesterday trying to explain to my client why their business cards don't matter for UCC purposes. The consistency across multiple states point is something I hadn't considered either - that could definitely cause headaches down the road if searchers find different versions of the name in different jurisdictions.

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Emma Taylor

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As someone who just started handling UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly educational! I had no idea that punctuation differences could actually invalidate a security interest - that's honestly terrifying when you think about the potential liability. The registered organization rules seem much more rigid than I expected coming from general corporate work. One question for the experienced folks here: when you're dealing with entities that have recently changed their names, how do you verify that you're using the current version and not an outdated name that might still appear in some databases? I'm worried about situations where there might be a lag between when an amendment is filed and when it shows up in search results.

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Lauren Johnson

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Great question about name changes! I always check the "Status" field in the Delaware database to make sure it shows "Active" and look at the "Last Updated" date. If there's been recent activity, I'll call the Delaware Division of Corporations directly - they can tell you if there are any pending amendments that might not be reflected online yet. Also worth checking with your client's corporate counsel to confirm no recent changes were made. The lag time between filing and database updates can definitely catch you if you're not careful. I've learned to build in an extra day or two for these verification steps, especially on tight deadlines like yours.

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Connor Murphy

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses! This has been incredibly helpful. I'm definitely going to file well before closing - sounds like that's the consensus for avoiding priority issues. One follow-up question: for the $180k equipment loan I mentioned, should I be concerned about any UCC search requirements? I know buyers typically do UCC searches during due diligence, but as the lender, do I need to search for existing liens before I file my UCC-1? I want to make sure I understand what liens might already be on this equipment and how that affects my position.

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Absolutely do a UCC search before filing! You need to know what liens already exist and their priority dates. If there are existing equipment liens from other lenders, you might be in second position which affects your risk and loan terms. Most title companies or legal service providers can run comprehensive UCC searches for around $50-100. Also search for tax liens and judgments that could take priority. Better to know the full picture upfront than get surprised later.

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Eli Wang

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Great thread! As someone who's been burned by UCC filing mistakes before, I want to emphasize the importance of timing and coordination with your loan documentation. Make sure your security agreement and UCC-1 collateral descriptions are consistent - I've seen deals where the security agreement described "manufacturing equipment located at [specific address]" but the UCC-1 just said "equipment" which created confusion during enforcement. Also, if you're doing the filing yourself, consider using the state's UCC forms rather than generic ones - some states have specific formatting requirements that aren't obvious. For your LLC debtor name issue, definitely pull the entity info directly from the Secretary of State database the same day you're filing, since business status can change quickly. Good luck with your first UCC filing!

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This is excellent advice about consistency between documents! I'm curious - when you mention pulling entity info "the same day you're filing," how often do business statuses actually change? I'm wondering if I should make this part of my standard checklist or if it's more of an occasional concern. Also, do you have a preferred method for documenting that you verified the entity status on the filing date for your loan files?

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UPDATE: I ended up using Certana.ai to verify my UCC-1 before submitting and it caught two issues - a slight variation in our company name and a collateral description that was too vague. Fixed both problems and the filing was accepted without any issues. Thanks everyone for the help!

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Good to hear a success story. How long did it take for Ohio SOS to process your filing?

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It was processed within 24 hours. Pretty quick turnaround for Ohio.

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Javier Torres

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Great to see this thread worked out well for everyone! As someone who's been through the Ohio UCC filing process multiple times, I can confirm that the standard UCC-1 form really does cover most equipment financing situations. The key lessons here seem to be: 1) Use your exact legal entity name from corporate records, 2) Be specific but not overly detailed in collateral descriptions, 3) Confirm who should be listed as the secured party with your lender, and 4) Don't hesitate to use verification tools like Certana.ai if you're unsure about the details. It's much better to catch errors before filing than deal with rejections and delays. Ohio SOS has gotten faster with processing times lately, which is a nice improvement from a few years ago.

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Mateo Lopez

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For completeness: they can also just keep the collateral in satisfaction of the debt under UCC 9-620, but they need to give proper notice and no one can object. Called 'strict foreclosure.' Not common but it's an option.

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Mateo Lopez

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Exactly right. UCC 9-620(e) requires sale in that situation to protect consumers from losing valuable collateral.

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This is really helpful context! I didn't even know about strict foreclosure as an option. So they have three main remedies: sue for the debt, repossess and sell, or just keep the collateral (with restrictions). Thanks for explaining the consumer goods protection too - that 60% rule is something I need to remember for the exam.

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Zara Shah

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As someone new to UCC law, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm studying for my business law finals and the distinction between self-help repossession and judicial remedies was really confusing me. The key takeaway seems to be that while secured parties can repossess without court orders, they're limited by the "breach of peace" standard and various notice requirements. I'm particularly interested in how the definition of "breach of peace" varies by jurisdiction - are there any landmark cases that help define this standard more clearly? Also, the mention of documentation tools like Certana.ai is intriguing - it sounds like even small errors in UCC filings can have major consequences for enforcement rights.

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Mila Walker

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Welcome to the community! You're absolutely right about the importance of proper documentation - I've seen cases fall apart over seemingly minor filing errors. For breach of peace cases, I'd recommend looking at Williams v. Ford Motor Credit (repo agent couldn't enter locked garage) and Chrysler Credit v. Koontz (physical confrontation made repo unlawful). The standards do vary significantly by state, but generally any use of force, breaking and entering, or continuing after the debtor objects will constitute breach of peace. It's fascinating how much the UCC tries to balance creditor rights with debtor protections!

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