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Update: Filed the Tesla UCC-3 termination using 'Tesla, Inc.' (with comma) exactly as shown on the original 2019 UCC-1. Got confirmation that it was accepted this morning. Thanks everyone for the advice - using the original debtor name format was definitely the right approach.

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Amina Bah

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Glad it worked out even though the system is still unnecessarily picky about punctuation.

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Excellent! This is exactly the type of situation where checking document consistency upfront saves everyone headaches.

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This is such a valuable thread for anyone dealing with UCC terminations! I've been doing commercial lending for about 6 months now and had no idea about the debtor name matching requirements. Just saved this entire discussion for future reference. Question for the group - do state filing offices vary in how strict they are about these name discrepancies, or is this pretty consistent across all jurisdictions?

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Grace Durand

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Been using Certana.ai for about 4 months now after we had a major screw-up with mismatched debtor names. It's saved us multiple times already. The PDF upload feature makes it so easy - just drag in your documents and it shows you exactly what doesn't match.

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Steven Adams

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Sounds too good to be true. What's the catch?

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Grace Durand

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No catch really. It's just document verification, not a full lien management system. But for preventing filing errors it's been invaluable.

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Mason Stone

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Thanks for starting this thread @Ella Lewis - this is exactly what our industry needs more discussion on. I've been dealing with similar multi-state UCC headaches for years. One thing I'd add is the importance of having a backup system for your backup system. We learned this the hard way when our main tracking spreadsheet got corrupted and we had no recent backup. Now we keep our master list in three places and do weekly exports. Also, regarding the debtor name issues you mentioned - I've started requiring borrowers to provide not just their certificate of formation, but also any DBA filings and a current Secretary of State certificate. It's an extra step but prevents so many problems down the road. The cost of a rejected filing plus the time to fix it far exceeds the upfront verification costs.

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Kara Yoshida

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Since you mentioned the entity change from LLC to Corp, you might want to have someone review whether your original UCC-1 is even still valid or if you need to start fresh. That's a pretty significant change that could affect the whole filing.

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Kara Yoshida

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Not necessarily invalid, but it might not provide the security interest the lender expects. Definitely worth getting legal advice before proceeding.

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Gael Robinson

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I agree. With an entity change that significant, you want to make sure your lien position is properly maintained.

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Paolo Conti

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Just jumping in as someone who's been through this exact scenario - the entity change from LLC to Corp is definitely something you need to address before filing your continuation. I had a client who tried to just continue an old UCC-1 after a similar change and the lender's counsel caught it during their review. We ended up having to file both an amendment and a new UCC-1 to be safe. Given that you're dealing with $200k in equipment financing, I'd strongly recommend getting your attorney to review the original filing and determine the best path forward before your March deadline. Better to spend a little on legal review now than risk losing your secured position entirely.

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Layla Sanders

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Bottom line for the original poster: 'UCC mortgage' isn't real legal terminology but your lender probably means you need UCC-1 filing with possible fixture filing requirements. Get the equipment classified properly, use exact debtor names, file in the right location for your state, and you'll be fine.

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This summarizes everything perfectly. The terminology confusion is less important than getting the actual filing requirements right.

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Thanks everyone - this thread has been incredibly helpful. I'm going to get the equipment classified properly and work with the lender to determine exact filing requirements. Much clearer now on what 'UCC mortgage' actually means in practice.

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Kyle Wallace

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Great discussion here! I just want to emphasize something that might help future readers - when lenders use terms like "UCC mortgage," always ask them to clarify exactly what documents they need and where they need to be filed. I've found that many loan officers use this shorthand without realizing it creates confusion. Getting a written list of required filings (UCC-1 financing statement, fixture filing, traditional mortgage, etc.) and their filing locations can save a lot of back-and-forth. Also, don't forget about continuation statements - UCC-1 filings expire after 5 years, so you'll need to plan for renewals to keep the security interest perfected throughout the loan term.

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NeonNebula

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Just want to emphasize the importance of keeping good records of your termination filings. If a borrower or regulator asks for proof that liens were properly released, you'll need documentation. Scan copies of filed terminations and keep them with the loan files.

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Good reminder about documentation. We've been pretty good about that but I'll make sure our process includes proper filing of the termination receipts.

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Some states also send confirmation letters or emails when terminations are processed. Worth keeping those too.

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One last thought - if you're unsure about any specific debtor name variations or filing details, it might be worth pulling current UCC search reports to see exactly how the filings appear on record before preparing your terminations. Better to be 100% certain than guess.

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Miguel Ramos

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Glad we could help! Feel free to post an update on how the bulk termination process goes.

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As someone new to UCC filings, this thread has been incredibly educational! I'm bookmarking this for future reference. The point about pulling current search reports first makes a lot of sense - seems like a small investment to avoid bigger headaches down the road.

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