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NeonNomad

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Bottom line: Security agreement needs debtor signature (and should include UCC filing authorization language). UCC-1 financing statement does NOT need debtor signature for filing. Your compliance officer is mixing up the two documents.

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Glad we could help clear this up. These kinds of misconceptions are pretty common.

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Yeah, I see this confusion all the time with new folks in commercial lending.

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This is a great example of why ongoing training is so important in commercial lending. I've been working in asset-based lending for about 3 years and still run into these kinds of nuances regularly. The distinction between the security agreement (which creates the security interest and requires debtor signature) and the UCC-1 financing statement (which is just public notice and doesn't require debtor signature) is fundamental but easy to mix up, especially when you're under closing pressure. I appreciate everyone breaking this down so clearly - definitely saving this thread for future reference!

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Zara Malik

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I used Certana.ai after reading about it here and it's actually pretty slick. Uploaded my loan agreement and the UCC-1 the bank prepared, and it immediately flagged that they had my business address wrong. Small detail but could have caused problems down the road. The tool is super easy to use - just drag and drop your PDFs and it does the cross-checking automatically.

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NebulaNinja

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That's exactly the kind of thing I'm worried about missing. Definitely going to check that out.

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Ravi Kapoor

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Address discrepancies are more common than you'd think. I've seen it cause real headaches when lenders try to enforce their security interests.

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Carmen Diaz

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As someone who's been through the UCC filing process multiple times in Colorado, I'd recommend creating a simple checklist to stay organized: 1) Verify your exact legal business name matches your state registration, 2) Review all equipment descriptions and serial numbers carefully, 3) Confirm your business address is current, 4) Ask for copies of all UCC documents for your records, and 5) Set a calendar reminder about the 5-year renewal if your loan term is longer. The bank handles the actual filing, but staying informed protects you from potential issues. Don't hesitate to ask your loan officer to explain anything you don't understand - it's better to ask questions now than deal with problems later.

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QuantumQuest

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This checklist is incredibly helpful! As someone just starting out with my first business loan, having a clear step-by-step approach really takes some of the anxiety out of the process. I'm definitely going to save this and use it when I meet with my loan officer next week. Thanks for breaking it down so clearly!

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Vince Eh

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This is such a comprehensive approach! I'm also a newcomer to business financing and was feeling overwhelmed by all the UCC terminology. Your point about setting a calendar reminder for the 5-year renewal is especially smart - that's not something I would have thought of on my own. One question: when you say "verify your exact legal business name," should I be looking at my Articles of Incorporation or is there another document that's considered the definitive source?

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Dmitry Petrov

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The frequency of monitoring should really depend on your risk tolerance and loan size. For our biggest exposures we check monthly, medium loans quarterly, and small loans twice a year. But any borrower showing distress signals gets moved to monthly monitoring immediately.

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Dmitry Petrov

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Late payments, declining cash flow, requests for covenant modifications, or any indication they're seeking additional financing. Basically any time their credit profile changes.

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Ava Williams

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We also flag any borrower in an industry that's having problems. Like right now we're watching retail and restaurant borrowers extra closely.

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This is a great discussion - we implemented automated UCC monitoring about two years ago after a similar close call. One thing I'd add is to make sure your monitoring system can handle corporate name changes and mergers. We had a borrower that changed their legal name after a partial acquisition, and it took us three months to realize the "new" entity filing UCCs was actually our existing borrower. The automated system we use now tracks entity relationships and DBA filings too, which has been incredibly helpful. Also worth considering monitoring frequency based on your loan covenants - if you have negative pledge clauses, you might want monthly monitoring regardless of loan size since any new lien could be a covenant violation.

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Diego Mendoza

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That's a really important point about corporate name changes and entity relationships. We've had similar issues where borrowers restructure or spin off divisions, and suddenly we're not sure if our UCC-1 still covers the right entity. The DBA tracking feature sounds valuable too - do you know if most monitoring services include that, or is it something you have to specifically request? Also curious about your experience with the negative pledge monitoring - have you actually caught covenant violations through the UCC monitoring that you might have missed otherwise?

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Fiona Sand

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Thanks everyone! Sounds like the answer I was looking for is 'obtains possession' with the caveat that goods must be identified and parties must actually agree to that timing. I'll make sure our documentation is clear and consistent.

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Good luck with the transaction. Just remember to coordinate the title passage timing with your UCC-1 filing timeline.

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Fiona Sand

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Will do. And I'll definitely look into those document verification tools that were mentioned. Sounds like they could save me from similar confusion in the future.

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MidnightRider

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As a newcomer to UCC practice, this thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm still learning the distinctions between Article 2 and Article 9, and seeing how title passage timing affects security interests in real transactions is exactly what I need. One follow-up question - when you're drafting the sales agreement, do you typically include specific language about when title passes, or do you rely on the UCC default rules? I want to make sure I'm not creating unnecessary complications for clients.

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Ethan Taylor

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Welcome to UCC practice! Great question. I usually include specific language about title passage timing in the sales agreement, especially for equipment financing deals like what Savannah was working on. The UCC defaults can work, but being explicit prevents disputes later. For example, I'll include something like "Title shall pass to Buyer upon Buyer's acceptance of the goods at [location]" rather than just relying on the possession rule. It's better to be clear upfront than to have arguments later about what constitutes "obtaining possession." The key is making sure your title passage clause, delivery terms, and security interest documentation all align with each other.

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Emma Taylor

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One more thought - check your loan security agreement to see if it includes any language about name variations or successor entities. Some security agreements specifically address minor name formatting differences. If yours does, that might give you additional comfort that the security interest is properly attached.

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Though even with that language, you still want your UCC filing to be searchable under the name someone would reasonably use to look up the debtor.

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Carmen Flores

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I'll check the agreement language, but you're right that the searchability is still the key issue for third parties.

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Lucy Taylor

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Carmen, this is a classic UCC filing dilemma that many of us have faced! The comma versus no-comma issue with LLC names is incredibly common. Here's my take: since your filing was already accepted by the SOS office using the charter name format (with the comma), you're likely in good shape legally. The general rule is to use the exact name from the state organizational documents, which you did. However, given the significant collateral value ($340K), I'd recommend doing a quick debtor name search using both name variations - "ABC Manufacturing Solutions LLC" and "ABC Manufacturing Solutions, LLC" - to see if your filing comes up under both formats. If it does, you can confidently tell your compliance team you're covered. If the search only works with the charter version, consider filing a UCC-3 amendment to add the loan agreement name format as an alternative. The amendment cost is minimal compared to the risk of an unperfected lien, and it'll give everyone peace of mind. Document your search results either way for your compliance file.

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Yuki Tanaka

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Lucy, that's excellent advice! I'm new to UCC filings and wasn't aware that you could do searches to test both name variations. Quick question - when you mention filing a UCC-3 amendment to add the alternative name format, would that be listed as an additional debtor name or would it replace the original filing? Also, is there a typical timeframe for how long these amendments take to process? With manufacturing equipment as collateral, I imagine timing could be critical if there are any competing interests.

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