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Joshua Wood

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One more thing to consider - if this debtor ends up in bankruptcy, both your UCC lien and the judgment lien could face challenges from the trustee. But that's a bridge to cross if you come to it. For now, just focus on maintaining your perfected security interest through the continuation filing.

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Justin Evans

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Ugh, bankruptcy is a whole other nightmare. Preference actions, avoidable liens, all that fun stuff.

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Joshua Wood

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True, but at least having a properly perfected and continued UCC filing puts you in the best possible position if bankruptcy does happen.

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Just want to emphasize what others have said about timing - don't delay that UCC-3 filing! I've seen too many secured parties lose their perfection because they got distracted by side issues like judgment liens and missed their continuation deadline. Your 18-month priority window over the judgment lien is solid, but it won't matter if your UCC-1 lapses. File the continuation first, then deal with any other complications afterward. The judgment lien is really a separate issue from maintaining your Article 9 security interest.

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Zara Rashid

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UPDATE: Talked to our Colorado attorney this morning and he confirmed that comma differences in LLC names are generally not considered seriously misleading under Colorado UCC law. He's preparing a letter to the title company with citations to relevant cases. Fingers crossed they'll accept it and we can avoid the amendment route entirely. Thanks everyone for the suggestions!

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NebulaNova

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This is why having a good UCC attorney is worth every penny. Glad you found a path forward without expensive amendments.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Will definitely update once we hear back. Should know by end of week if this approach works or if we need to go the amendment route.

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This is such a common issue that drives everyone crazy! I've seen this exact scenario play out dozens of times with LLC name variations. One thing that might help while you're waiting on the attorney's letter - ask the title company if they'll accept an estoppel certificate from the borrower stating that both name versions refer to the same legal entity, along with copies of the LLC's articles of organization and any amendments. Sometimes that extra documentation gives title companies the comfort they need to move forward, especially when combined with the legal opinion about Colorado's "seriously misleading" standard. Also, if the closing is really time-sensitive, you could potentially close with the UCC as an exception and handle the termination post-closing with a holdback - though I know that's not ideal for anyone involved.

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This thread is making me paranoid about our PMSI procedures. Going to audit all our recent equipment financings to make sure we didn't miss any deadlines. Better safe than sorry when the priority consequences are this severe.

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Zoe Gonzalez

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That's exactly what Certana.ai is good for - you can batch upload a bunch of filings and loan docs to spot-check for consistency issues and timing problems.

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Definitely going to look into that. Manual review of dozens of files sounds painful.

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Marcelle Drum

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This is a painful but valuable lesson for all of us in equipment financing. The 20-day PMSI deadline is absolutely rigid - courts won't give you any wiggle room even if you're just a day late. I've seen too many lenders get burned by treating PMSI filings like regular secured transactions. The super-priority protection is incredible when you get it right, but the consequences of missing the deadline are brutal. For anyone reading this, consider implementing a delivery notification requirement in your loan agreements and file your UCC-1 within 10 days of funding to give yourself a buffer. The PMSI rules are designed to reward diligent lenders, not forgiving ones.

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Norman Fraser

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The bottom line is that if these UCC Article 3 discharge methods actually worked, banks would have changed their procedures long ago to prevent them. The fact that major financial institutions continue normal operations should tell you everything you need to know about the validity of these theories.

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Kendrick Webb

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Exactly. Banks employ armies of lawyers specifically to prevent legitimate challenges to their collection methods. These schemes wouldn't survive five minutes if they had any legal merit.

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Hattie Carson

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Plus, the federal banking regulators would have issued guidance about these methods if they were legitimate. The silence from official sources speaks volumes.

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I'm new to this community but wanted to share a cautionary tale. My cousin got caught up in one of these UCC Article 3 schemes about three years ago in Dallas. He ended up not only losing the $3,000 he paid for the "course materials" but also faced a federal investigation when he tried to file multiple bogus discharge documents. The stress nearly destroyed his marriage, and he's still dealing with the financial fallout. What really got to him was realizing that the people selling these courses knew they were fake but kept taking money from desperate homeowners anyway. If you're having mortgage troubles, please reach out to legitimate HUD-approved housing counselors - they offer free advice and can help you explore real options like loan modifications or refinancing programs.

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Thank you for sharing your cousin's experience - that's exactly the kind of real-world consequence that people need to hear about. It's heartbreaking that these scammers target people who are already struggling financially. The fact that he's still dealing with the aftermath years later really drives home how these schemes can make a bad situation so much worse. I'm glad you mentioned the HUD-approved counselors - those are legitimate resources that actually help people rather than exploit them.

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Ruby Garcia

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Wow, there's so much more to this than I realized. Are there any good resources for learning more about UCC filing requirements? I feel like I need to understand this stuff inside and out.

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Natalie Chen

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Don't forget about practical experience too. Start reviewing your company's existing UCC filings and loan files. See how they structure collateral descriptions and handle different types of loans. Nothing beats hands-on learning.

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Thanks everyone, this has been incredibly helpful! I feel much more confident about starting to work with these filings now.

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One thing I'd add for Maria and other newcomers - don't underestimate the importance of search reports before filing. Running a UCC search on your borrower helps you see what other liens are already out there and where you'll stand in the priority chain. It's also smart to do a final search right before closing to make sure no surprise filings popped up. I've seen deals where lenders assumed they'd be in first position only to discover a surprise tax lien or another creditor filed between the initial search and closing.

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