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One last thing - when you do apply for survivor benefits, bring both your marriage certificate AND your husband's death certificate to your appointment. If you're applying online, you'll need to upload both. Sometimes they also want to see your birth certificate to verify your age, so have that ready too.

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This is so helpful. I've been collecting documents but wasn't sure exactly what I'd need. I'll make sure I have all three certificates ready before I start the application.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Nolan. Going through this process while grieving is incredibly difficult. Just wanted to add that when you order your certified marriage certificate, make sure it's the "long form" or "certified copy" - not just a "short form" or "abstract." SSA is pretty specific about needing the full certified copy with all the original information and official seals. Also, if you're over 60 or disabled, you may be eligible for reduced survivor benefits before full retirement age, so don't wait if you need the income. The SSA has a survivors benefits calculator on their website that can give you an estimate of what you might receive. Take care of yourself during this process.

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Thank you for the detailed advice about the long form certificate - I definitely want to make sure I get the right type so I don't have to reorder. I'm 58, so I'll look into the reduced benefits option since money is definitely tight right now. The survivors calculator sounds really helpful too. I appreciate everyone taking the time to help me navigate this.

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After reading through all this, I can see why this is confusing. Look at it this way: if your late husband's benefit would be around $2,500/month at his full retirement age, and your own benefit might only be $1,400/month, that's a $1,100 monthly difference - or $13,200 per year. Over 20+ years of retirement, that's a quarter million dollars at stake. No wonder people are telling you to wait. But this is also why talking to SSA directly is so important - those numbers I just made up might be completely different in your actual situation.

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When you put it in actual dollars like that, it really puts things in perspective. I had no idea the difference could be so substantial. I'm definitely going to get actual numbers before making any decisions. Thank you all for the helpful advice!

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I went through this exact situation 8 years ago and chose to wait until 60 to remarry. Best financial decision I ever made! My late husband's survivor benefit is about $1,800/month, which is way more than I would have gotten on my own record or as a spouse. Here's what really helped me: I went to my local Social Security office in person (avoid the phone lines if possible) and asked them to run the numbers for all my options. They were actually very helpful once I got face-to-face with someone. Bring your late husband's death certificate, your marriage certificate, and your Social Security cards. Also, talk to your boyfriend about this openly. If he truly loves you, he'll understand that waiting makes financial sense for both of your futures. My husband (we married on my 60th birthday!) was completely supportive because he realized it meant more security for both of us in retirement. Six years might seem long, but it goes by faster than you think, and the peace of mind is worth it.

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Thank you for sharing your experience! This is exactly what I needed to hear from someone who actually went through it. The idea of going to the local office in person is great - I hadn't thought of that but it makes so much sense to avoid the phone hassles. Can I ask how you and your boyfriend handled the waiting period? Did you live together or keep separate places? I'm worried about how to navigate the relationship side of this decision.

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One final point that might be helpful for your planning: Since your wife doesn't have her own work record, you might want to maximize your own Social Security earnings base. This would mean trying to have your highest 35 years of earnings be as high as possible, since that's what your potential survivor benefits would be based on. Additionally, if you're looking at overall family financial security, consider whether your wife might return to work part-time when the children are older. Even earning just 40 credits (which can be done with 10 years of even part-time work) would provide her with her own retirement benefit and create potential survivor benefits.

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That's excellent advice. I hadn't thought about the importance of maximizing my own record for potential survivor benefits. My wife has been considering going back to work part-time when our youngest starts school full-time next year. I'll share with her how important even those part-time credits could be for our family's long-term security.

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This is such an important discussion that highlights a real gap in our social safety net. As someone who works in financial planning, I see this situation frequently. One thing I'd add is that you might want to look into whether your state has any additional survivor benefit programs or whether your employer offers any survivor benefits through group life insurance that could help fill this gap. Also, since your wife has 12 credits from her previous work, she's actually closer to qualifying than many people realize. If she does decide to return to work part-time, she'd only need 28 more credits (about 7 years of earning at least the minimum required - which in 2024 is just $1,730 per quarter). Even working 15-20 hours a week at minimum wage could get her there over time. The key is understanding that Social Security was designed as a foundation, not a complete safety net. Private life insurance and other planning tools become even more critical for families with stay-at-home parents.

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This is really helpful perspective from a financial planning professional! I hadn't thought about checking with my employer about group life insurance survivor benefits - that's a great suggestion. And you're right that breaking down the remaining credits my wife would need (28 more) makes it seem much more achievable than the full 40. Even part-time work could get her there over several years. I appreciate you emphasizing that Social Security is just a foundation - it's making me realize we probably need to beef up our life insurance coverage regardless. Do you have any general rules of thumb for how much life insurance families should carry when one parent doesn't have their own Social Security work record?

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Great question about life insurance amounts! A common rule of thumb is 10-12 times annual income for the primary earner, but for stay-at-home parents, you need to calculate the replacement cost of their services - childcare, household management, transportation, etc. That can easily be $30,000-50,000+ per year depending on your area. I'd suggest getting quotes for term life insurance on both parents and considering the higher amount for the stay-at-home parent since you'd need to pay for all those services they currently provide. Also definitely check if your employer offers spousal coverage through their group plan - it's often much cheaper than individual policies.

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I'm in a very similar situation - also a retired teacher from Texas who was affected by GPO. I applied for spousal benefits about 3 weeks ago after the repeal and completely forgot about retroactive benefits until I saw your post! I called SSA this morning using the regular 1-800-772-1213 number and surprisingly got through after only about 45 minutes on hold (maybe I got lucky with the timing). The representative was very helpful and said they could absolutely add the retroactive benefits request to my existing application since it hasn't been finalized yet. She added a note to my file requesting 6 months retroactive benefits and gave me a confirmation number. The whole process took less than 10 minutes once I got through to someone. She also mentioned that since the GPO repeal is recent, my retroactive benefits would only go back to the effective date of the repeal, not the full 6 months, but that's still a decent amount of money! Don't give up on calling - maybe try early morning or late afternoon when call volume might be lower. Good luck!

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Thank you so much for sharing your experience! It's really encouraging to hear that you got through and were able to add the retroactive benefits. I'm going to try calling again this morning - maybe I'll have better luck with the timing like you did. It's reassuring to know that even though it won't be the full 6 months due to the GPO repeal timing, it's still worth pursuing. I really appreciate you taking the time to update us on your success!

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As someone who just went through this exact process last month, I can confirm that you absolutely can still request retroactive benefits! I was also a teacher (in Michigan) affected by GPO and forgot to mention retroactive benefits during my initial application. I ended up going to my local SSA office in person because I couldn't get through on the phone after trying for a week. The wait was about 2 hours, but the representative was able to add the retroactive benefits request to my pending application immediately. She explained that since I was past FRA, I was eligible for up to 6 months retroactive, but due to the timing of the GPO repeal, mine would only go back to the repeal effective date. The key is getting to them BEFORE they finalize processing your application. Since you just applied last week, you should have plenty of time. I'd recommend trying both the phone and in-person options - whichever you can access first. Make sure to ask for a confirmation number and written documentation of the request. The retroactive amount ended up being substantial for me - definitely worth the effort to pursue it! Good luck!

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This is so helpful to hear from someone who just went through the exact same process! I'm actually leaning toward going to the office in person since I've been having such trouble getting through on the phone. Two hours of waiting sounds much better than days of failed phone calls. Did you need to bring any specific documents with you when you went to the office, or did they have everything they needed from your original application? I want to make sure I'm prepared if I decide to go that route.

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I didn't need to bring any additional documents since they already had everything from my original application on file. I just brought my ID and the confirmation paperwork I received when I first applied for spousal benefits. The representative was able to pull up my application immediately and add the retroactive benefits request right there. She said having my application confirmation number helped speed things up, so definitely bring that if you have it. The whole interaction was much smoother than I expected once I actually got to speak with someone!

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Thank you all for the helpful responses! This makes a lot more sense now. I was expecting the same pattern of increases I saw before, but I didn't understand all the factors involved. Sounds like: 1. The recalculation only helps if my current earnings are replacing much lower earnings years 2. At my income level, additional earnings only impact benefits at 15% of the value 3. The October 2024 recalculation might still show a small increase from my 2023 earnings I appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this. The Social Security system is so much more complicated than I realized!

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You've got a really good grasp of it now! Just to add one more piece that might be helpful - you can actually estimate whether your current earnings will make a difference by looking at your Social Security statement. If you have the annual earnings history, find your 35th highest year (after adjusting for wage indexing, which is complex). If your current salary is significantly higher than that 35th year, you'll see some increase. If it's only moderately higher, the impact will be minimal due to those bend points everyone mentioned. Also, since you're still working full-time, don't forget that you're still paying into the system and building up credits that could help with future Cost of Living Adjustments (COLAs). Even if the recalculation doesn't boost your benefit much, you're still contributing to the overall stability of your retirement income.

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This is really helpful information about looking at the 35th highest year! I never thought about trying to estimate it myself. Looking at my earnings history, I can see some years in the early 2000s that were much lower, so maybe there will be a small bump when they do the recalculation. The point about COLAs is interesting too - I hadn't considered that continuing to work helps with the overall system stability. Even if I'm not seeing big increases in my monthly benefit, at least I'm still contributing to keeping the program going for everyone. Thanks for breaking this down so clearly! It's reassuring to understand how it all works rather than just wondering why my benefit wasn't changing.

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