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This is such valuable information! I'm a newcomer to this community and this thread has been incredibly helpful. I'm in a similar situation - my spouse has been on SSDI for about 8 years and will reach FRA in two years. I had no idea that suspension after conversion was even possible. The local SSA office told us the same thing about automatic conversion with no options, but clearly we need to speak with a Technical Expert who actually understands these rules. One question for those who've gone through this - is there any paperwork or documentation you'd recommend keeping during the conversion process? I want to make sure we're prepared when the time comes to request suspension for delayed credits. Thank you all for sharing your experiences and knowledge!
Welcome! Great advice from Omar about documentation. I'd also suggest requesting a copy of your spouse's complete earnings record (Form SSA-7050-F4) before the conversion happens. This shows the work history that qualified them for SSDI and can be helpful if there are any questions during the suspension process. Also, make sure you understand exactly when the conversion will occur - it should happen automatically the month your spouse reaches FRA, but sometimes there can be delays in processing. Having a clear timeline will help you know exactly when to call and request the suspension to maximize those delayed retirement credits.
Welcome to the community! This thread has been such an eye-opener for me too. I'd add one more piece of advice - when you do call SSA to request suspension after conversion, make sure to get confirmation in writing. Several people here mentioned having to call multiple times or getting conflicting information from different representatives. Having written documentation of your suspension request and the effective date will protect you if there are any issues later. Also, don't forget that during suspension you'll need to handle Medicare Part B premiums directly since they won't be deducted from your suspended Social Security payments. Good luck with your planning!
As someone new to this community, I just want to say thank you all for this incredibly detailed discussion! My mother-in-law is currently on SSDI and approaching her FRA in about 18 months, so this information is absolutely invaluable. It's shocking how much misinformation exists, even from SSA representatives themselves. The fact that multiple people here had to fight through incorrect initial responses really highlights the importance of asking specifically for a Technical Expert who understands these complex rules. The financial impact is enormous - we're talking about potentially tens of thousands of dollars in additional lifetime benefits. For families already dealing with the challenges of disability, every dollar matters tremendously. I'm definitely going to bookmark this thread and share it with my mother-in-law. When her time comes, we'll be prepared to wait for the automatic conversion and then immediately request suspension through the proper channels. Thanks again to everyone who shared their real-world experiences - this kind of peer knowledge is absolutely priceless!
UPDATE: I finally got through to a Technical Expert! For anyone facing similar issues, here's what worked: I called my local office right when they opened (used the direct number that one of you suggested looking up), and specifically asked for a Technical Expert who could explain survivor benefit calculations in detail. I had to be firm but polite. The TE explained that the huge discrepancy in numbers was because one rep was calculating based on my own work record, another was using my survivor benefit, and a third was incorrectly applying the family maximum limitation (which doesn't apply in my situation since I'm the only beneficiary). The accurate reduction for taking survivor benefits 8 months early is about $290/month, not $600 or $80. This makes a huge difference in my decision! Thank you all for your advice and support!
That's excellent news! I'm so glad you got the accurate information. This is exactly why speaking with someone who has access to the detailed calculation screens is so important. A $290/month difference is significant but now you can make your decision based on facts rather than confusion. For your long-term planning, did they also explain how survivor benefits work with your own retirement benefit? Remember that you can switch between the two at any point after you reach retirement age if it makes financial sense to do so. Some people take survivors early and then switch to their own record later if it's higher.
This is such a relief to read! Your experience perfectly illustrates why persistence is so important when dealing with SSA. The fact that you were getting calculations based on three completely different scenarios (your own record, survivor benefits, and incorrect family maximum application) explains the wild discrepancies. $290/month reduction is much more reasonable and gives you a clearer picture for decision-making. Did the Technical Expert also walk you through the break-even analysis? That can help you decide whether claiming early makes sense based on your life expectancy and financial needs. Your success story will definitely help others facing similar situations. Thank you for taking the time to update us!
This is exactly the kind of outcome we all hope for when dealing with SSA! Your persistence really paid off, and getting that clear explanation from the Technical Expert makes such a difference. The fact that three different scenarios were being calculated explains everything - no wonder you were getting such wildly different numbers. A $290 reduction is definitely more manageable to factor into your planning than the $600+ you were initially told. Thanks for sharing your success story - it gives hope to others who might be struggling with similar confusion!
Just to add a bit more clarity on the technical aspects: There are actually two different earnings tests: 1. The annual earnings test for people who won't reach FRA during the year (limit of $22,320 for 2024) 2. The higher monthly earnings test for the year you reach FRA, which only counts earnings before your FRA month (limit of $59,520 for 2024) In your case, since you're only starting benefits in your FRA month (December), neither test applies to you. Your benefits starting with December (paid in January) won't be affected by any earnings, before or after your FRA.
That explanation makes it super clear, thank you! I didn't realize there were two different tests. So if I understand correctly, once I hit FRA in December, I can collect full benefits for December regardless of how much I earned January-November, and regardless of how much I earn in December itself or any future month.
This thread has been so helpful! I'm in a similar boat - turning 67 in November and have been stressed about my earnings this year. Reading everyone's experiences really confirms what I suspected but wasn't sure about. One thing I'd add for anyone else reading this: make sure you have all your documents ready when you apply. I started gathering my birth certificate, W-2s, and other paperwork early because I've heard the application can ask for quite a bit of documentation. Better to be prepared than scramble later!
To clear up any confusion: For retirement benefits, if you start benefits in the exact month you reach FRA, your benefit will be calculated based on the number of days in that month before you reached FRA. For example, with FRA on November 15: - If you select November 1 as your start date, your benefit would be reduced by about 1/2 of one month's early retirement reduction (roughly 0.25-0.3%) - If you select December 1, you get your full benefit with no reduction For most people, waiting until the month after FRA (December 1 in your case) makes the most sense, especially if you want to ensure you get your full PIA amount.
Great question! I'm approaching my own FRA soon and had the exact same confusion. After reading through all these responses, it's clear that waiting until December 1st is the smart move for your situation. The key thing I learned is that SSA pays benefits for the previous month, so your November payment would reflect that partial month before reaching FRA on the 15th. Even though the reduction might only be around 0.25-0.3%, that adds up to real money over 20+ years of retirement. Better to wait one extra month and get your full benefit amount from the start!
Thanks for summarizing this so clearly, Jessica! I'm also getting close to my FRA and this whole thread has been super educational. It's amazing how one small decision can impact decades of payments. The math really does add up - even that small 0.25% reduction over 20+ years is significant money. I'm bookmarking this discussion for when I need to make my own application!
Alejandro Castro
Quick question related to this - I'm 63 and taking SS early but still working part time. Is it the same for me? Will they recalculate my benefits if I'm earning good money now?
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Maggie Martinez
•Yes, the recalculation works the same way if you're collecting early, BUT since you're under FRA, you're also subject to the earnings limit (about $21,240 for 2025). If you earn more than that, SSA will withhold $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above the limit. The good news is that once you reach FRA, they'll adjust your benefit upward to account for the months they withheld benefits. And yes, any higher earnings can still replace lower years in your 35-year calculation, potentially increasing your benefit amount later.
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PixelWarrior
Just wanted to add my experience - I was in almost the exact same situation as you two years ago. Hit FRA in March 2023, started benefits in May, and worked through December making about $180k that year. The automatic recalculation did happen, but like others mentioned, it took until December 2024 to see the increase. My monthly benefit went up by $147, which replaced one of my zero-earning years from the early 1990s when I was out of the workforce. One thing I learned is that you can actually check your Social Security Statement online at ssa.gov to see if your most recent year's earnings have been posted. They usually update it by late summer/early fall after you file your taxes. It's worth checking to make sure your high earnings year shows up correctly in their system! The wait is frustrating, but the automatic system does work eventually. Good luck with your continued work - sounds like you're making a smart financial move!
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