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I'm also a retired teacher facing the GPO situation, and my heart goes out to you. Twenty-four years of waiting after losing your husband so young must feel overwhelming. What really bothers me about these cases is how the system treats our spouses' lifetime contributions to Social Security as if they never happened. From everything I've been reading, the proposed changes should definitely help your situation since you were only $237 over the threshold. That's exactly the kind of case where the reformed GPO rules would make the biggest difference. While we're all cautiously optimistic, I'd echo what others have said about not counting on anything until it's actually signed into law. One practical tip: start gathering all your documentation now - your TRS pension statements, your husband's Social Security earnings record, and any correspondence from your 2021 application. When the time comes to reapply, having everything organized will save you stress and time. After waiting this long, you deserve for the process to go as smoothly as possible. Keep advocating for yourself and don't give up hope. The fact that so many of us are in similar situations shows this isn't just an individual problem - it's a systemic issue that needs fixing.
Thank you for the encouragement and practical advice! You're absolutely right that it feels like our spouses' contributions just disappeared into thin air. I'm definitely going to start organizing all my documentation better - I have bits and pieces scattered in different files. It's reassuring to know that being just over the threshold by such a small amount puts me in a good position for when (hopefully when, not if) these changes take effect. The systematic unfairness of this whole situation really does highlight why reform is so desperately needed. Thanks for reminding me to stay hopeful while also being realistic about the legislative process.
I'm new to this community but facing a very similar situation - retired teacher with 30 years in the system, husband passed away 5 years ago, and I was denied widow's benefits due to GPO. It's both heartbreaking and encouraging to see so many of us dealing with the exact same unfair treatment. Reading through everyone's experiences, I'm starting to feel more hopeful about the potential changes than I have in years. What really strikes me is how knowledgeable this community is about the technical details of WEP/GPO reform. I've been struggling to understand the implications of the proposed legislation, but the explanations here about phased implementation and benefit calculations have been incredibly helpful. One question I have - for those who have successfully contacted SSA recently, did you find the representatives knowledgeable about the pending changes, or are they still giving information based on current rules? I'm wondering if it's worth calling now or if I should wait until there's more clarity on the timeline. Thank you all for sharing your stories and insights. After feeling so alone with this issue, finding a community that truly understands makes all the difference.
Another tip that might be helpful: Consider gathering important documents now while your husband can help. You'll need his Social Security number, birth certificate, death certificate (when the time comes), your marriage certificate, tax returns, and military records if applicable. Having these organized in advance can make the application process smoother. Also, survivor applications cannot be done online - you'll need to call SSA for an appointment or visit an office.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you should also consider how survivor benefits might interact with any health insurance coverage you currently have through your husband's employer or Medicare. When my neighbor's husband passed, she lost his employer health coverage and had to scramble to find new insurance while dealing with everything else. If your husband is already on Medicare and you're on his employer plan, you'll want to understand what happens to your coverage and whether you'd be eligible for COBRA or need to find marketplace insurance until you're Medicare-eligible yourself. It's another layer of planning that's easy to overlook but can be financially significant, especially if you have ongoing medical needs.
That's such an important point about health insurance that I hadn't even thought about! Thank you for bringing this up. My husband does have excellent employer coverage that I'm on, and I just assumed I could continue with COBRA, but I should definitely look into the costs and timeline for that. The idea of dealing with insurance changes on top of everything else during such a difficult time is overwhelming. I'll add researching health insurance continuation options to my planning list. Do you happen to know if there are any special enrollment periods or protections for surviving spouses beyond the typical COBRA timeline?
I'm so sorry for your loss, Miguel. I went through this exact situation when my ex-husband passed away 3 years ago with kids who were 15 and 17 at the time. Your children should definitely see an increase - mine went from receiving about $800 each to around $1,200 each per month when they converted from dependent to survivor benefits. A few things that helped me navigate this process: 1. Don't wait for the death certificate to arrive - call SSA and report the death immediately. They can start the process and you can submit the certificate later. 2. The conversion isn't automatic despite what some offices might tell you. You absolutely need to contact them and request the survivor benefits. 3. Keep detailed records of when you call and who you speak with. I had to call back multiple times because information got lost between representatives. 4. If possible, try to get an in-person appointment even if it's weeks out - sometimes they can process things faster when you're there with all your documents. The whole process took about 2 months for us, but we received backpay to the date of death. Your kids should be able to keep receiving benefits until they graduate high school or turn 19. Hang in there - the financial help will come!
Thank you for sharing your experience, Theodore - it's really helpful to hear from someone who went through this exact situation. The increase from $800 to $1,200 per child gives me a much better idea of what to expect. I'm definitely going to call tomorrow morning to report the death and start the process, even though I'm still waiting for certified copies of the death certificate. Your tip about keeping detailed records is smart - I'll make sure to write down names and dates of every call. It's reassuring to know that even though it took 2 months, you got backpay to the date of death. That makes me feel less anxious about the timing.
I'm sorry for your loss, Miguel. I went through something similar when my brother passed away and left behind two teenagers. One thing I want to add that others haven't mentioned - make sure you ask SSA about any potential underpayments when you call. Sometimes there can be a gap between when the parent dies and when survivor benefits are processed, and you might be entitled to additional payments for that period. Also, if your ex-husband had any delayed retirement credits (since he was 67 when he passed), those would factor into the survivor benefit calculation and could mean even higher amounts for your children. The whole process can feel overwhelming when you're grieving, but the financial support really does help. Keep pushing through the phone calls - it's worth it for your kids' future.
One other tax consideration: Filing status for income taxes will change if they marry, which could result in either a marriage penalty or bonus depending on their income levels. If both have significant income besides Social Security, they might want to consult with a tax professional to see how marriage would affect their tax situation. Also, if estate planning is a concern, marriage provides certain legal advantages for inheritance purposes beyond just Social Security benefits. In many states, a spouse has automatic inheritance rights that a non-married partner doesn't have, even with a will in place. For the most personalized advice, they might want to consult with both a financial advisor who specializes in retirement planning and an elder law attorney who can advise on the broader implications for their specific situation.
As someone new to this community, I wanted to thank everyone for sharing such detailed and helpful information! This thread has been incredibly educational. One thing I'd add based on what I've learned from my own family's experience - it might be worth having your aunt and her partner sit down together and make a list of all their current benefits, assets, and potential liabilities before making the marriage decision. Things like Medicare supplemental insurance, any pensions, property ownership, etc. Sometimes marriage can affect things you don't initially think about. Also, since they're in Florida, they might want to check if there are any state-specific considerations for married couples regarding things like homestead exemptions or Medicaid asset protection that could factor into their decision. The timeline pressure mentioned by others is real though - at 75, waiting too long could be risky if the goal is to secure those survivor benefits. Wishing your aunt the best with this important decision!
Welcome to the community! That's excellent advice about making a comprehensive list of all their current benefits and assets. I hadn't thought about Florida's homestead exemptions - that's a really good point since property protection can be such a big deal for older couples. The Medicare supplemental insurance angle is also worth exploring. Sometimes marriage can affect eligibility for certain low-income Medicare programs too. It sounds like they have a lot of moving pieces to consider beyond just the Social Security benefits, but the potential financial security from those survivor benefits seems pretty significant given the income difference between them.
Adriana Cohn
I went through this exact situation with my disabled daughter two years ago! She was receiving DAC survivor benefits from her father who passed when she was 19. When I started my survivor benefits at 66, her payments stayed exactly the same - $1,640/month. The key thing is that your son is already established on his father's record as a disabled adult child, and that relationship doesn't change when you start collecting. The SSA rep I spoke with explained it like this: your son has his own "claim" on his father's work record that's separate from your survivor claim on the same record. When I switched to my own retirement benefits at 70, we actually got a pleasant surprise - my benefit was high enough that my daughter could switch to my record and get an extra $85/month! SSA handled the switch automatically and sent us a letter explaining the change. One tip: when you do talk to SSA, ask them to check if your son's disability onset date is correctly entered in their system. Sometimes there are data entry errors that can cause problems later. Also, keep copies of everything - benefit statements, letters, etc. It saved me a lot of headaches when I had questions later.
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Anastasia Sokolov
•This is so helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation! It's reassuring that your daughter's benefits stayed stable when you started survivor benefits, and what a nice bonus that she got an increase when you switched to your own record at 70. I'm curious - did SSA automatically check if your record would provide higher benefits for your daughter, or did you have to specifically ask them to compare the two records? Also, thanks for the tip about verifying the disability onset date - I'll definitely make sure that's correct in their system when I call.
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Jamal Washington
I'm in a very similar situation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! My disabled son (32) has been getting DAC survivor benefits from his father's record for about 5 years now. I'm 64 and have been delaying my own Social Security decisions because I was terrified of accidentally disrupting his benefits. Reading through everyone's experiences, especially @Adriana Cohn's story about the automatic switch to the higher benefit, gives me so much hope. My late husband was a high earner, but I also had a decent career, so there's a chance my son might benefit from my record when I switch at 70. One question I haven't seen addressed: Has anyone dealt with Medicare coordination in this situation? My son is on Medicare due to his disability, and I'm wondering if there are any changes or considerations when the parent starts collecting benefits. I know Medicare and Social Security are separate, but sometimes changes in one can affect the other. Also, thank you @CosmicVoyager for the advice about getting everything documented. After reading about your 6-month appeal process, I'm definitely going to be extra careful about getting written confirmation of everything before making any moves.
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Drake
•Regarding Medicare coordination - in my experience, there shouldn't be any changes to your son's Medicare coverage when you start collecting Social Security benefits. Medicare eligibility for disabled individuals is based on their own SSDI status, not their parent's benefit status. My son has been on Medicare for years due to his disability, and when I started my survivor benefits and later switched to my own retirement, his Medicare remained completely unchanged - same coverage, same premiums, same Medicare number. The only Medicare consideration for you might be if you're not yet 65 and start collecting survivor benefits - you'd still need to wait until 65 to enroll in Medicare yourself. But your son's Medicare is tied to his disability status and SSDI eligibility, which won't change regardless of what happens with your benefits. That said, it's always good to double-check with both SSA and Medicare when you make benefit changes, just to be absolutely sure nothing gets inadvertently affected in their systems.
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