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After reviewing your complete situation: 1. For the earnings test, you're on the right track using the monthly test in your first year 2. Your strategy of taking reduced widow benefits now and switching to your own at 70 is actually optimal given the benefit amounts you've shared 3. For those vacation payouts, request Form SSA-131 (Employer Report of Special Wage Payments) from your employer to document that those payments were for work performed before your benefits began Keep all documentation showing your retirement date and submit the SSA-131 as soon as possible to avoid any incorrect application of the earnings test.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation (planning to file for widow benefits at 62 next year) and had no idea about the monthly earnings test for the first year. A few quick tips from my own research and experience with my late husband's benefits: - When you call SSA, ask to speak with a "claims specialist" rather than just any representative. They tend to be more knowledgeable about complex situations like widow benefits with earnings. - Document EVERYTHING in writing. I keep a log of every SSA interaction with date, time, rep name/ID, and what was discussed. - The Form SSA-131 mentioned by Luca is crucial! My sister had a similar vacation payout issue and that form resolved it completely. @Sean - your benefit strategy sounds smart given those amounts. Just make sure you understand that once you switch to your own benefit at 70, you can't go back to the widow benefit even if yours ends up being lower than expected. Good luck navigating this maze! The SSA system is confusing but this community really helps clarify things.
This is such valuable advice, thank you! I didn't know I could specifically ask for a claims specialist - that might explain why I got such inconsistent answers from different reps. And you're absolutely right about documenting everything. I've been trusting verbal responses too much. One question about the benefit switching strategy - when you say I can't go back to widow benefits after switching to my own at 70, does that apply even if my circumstances change (like if there are cost-of-living adjustments that affect the relative amounts)? I want to make sure I fully understand this before I commit to the plan. The Form SSA-131 seems like it could be the key to avoiding problems with my vacation payout. I'll contact HR tomorrow to get that process started.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Zoe. What you're going through is incredibly difficult, and it's completely understandable to feel overwhelmed by these decisions while grieving. I want to add one more practical tip that helped me when I was in a similar situation: consider scheduling your SSA call for a time when you feel most emotionally steady (for me, that was mid-morning), and have a glass of water nearby. The call might take a while, and grief can be physically exhausting. Also, don't hesitate to tell the SSA representative at the start of the call that you recently lost your spouse and may need them to speak slowly or repeat information. Most are very understanding and will take extra care to make sure you understand everything correctly. You've got a solid plan, and this community has given you excellent guidance. You're going to get through this. ❤️
Emma, thank you so much for this thoughtful advice. The timing suggestion is really practical - I hadn't thought about when during the day I might handle this conversation best. And you're absolutely right about telling them upfront about my situation. I've been worried about getting emotional during the call, but knowing I can just acknowledge that from the start takes some pressure off. Your kindness means a lot during this difficult time.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Zoe. Reading your post brought back memories of my own experience navigating this exact situation two years ago. The combination of grief and complex Social Security decisions is overwhelming, but you're asking all the right questions. I want to emphasize something that others have touched on but bears repeating: when you call SSA, be very specific that you want to file for "survivor benefits only" and that you are intentionally delaying your own retirement benefits until age 70. Some representatives may not immediately understand this strategy and might suggest you file for your own benefits if they appear higher on paper right now - but they won't account for the delayed retirement credits you'll earn by waiting until 70. One thing that really helped me was writing down my key points on a notecard before the call: my husband's death date, that I wanted survivor benefits only, and that I planned to switch to my own benefits at 70. When grief brain kicked in during the call, I could just read from my notes. Also, don't feel bad about taking your time during the call or asking them to repeat things. You're dealing with a lot right now, and getting this right is important for your financial future. Take care of yourself. ❤️
As someone new to this community, I'm shocked to read about all these experiences with SSA not implementing the GPO reform properly! I'm a retired state employee myself and had no idea about these recent changes - this thread has been incredibly informative. It's outrageous that federal employees at SSA aren't being trained on their own agency's new rules. The fact that multiple people here have had to make several visits just to get an application accepted is unacceptable. Thank you to everyone sharing specific strategies like asking for Technical Experts and requesting protective filing dates - this practical advice is invaluable for those of us navigating this bureaucratic maze. I'm curious - has anyone tried escalating beyond the local office level? Like contacting SSA's regional offices directly or filing complaints with their Office of Inspector General about the inconsistent implementation? It seems like this is a systemic training issue that needs to be addressed from the top down.
Welcome to the community! You're absolutely right that this seems like a systemic training issue. From what I've observed in this thread, the inconsistency across different SSA offices suggests they really haven't rolled out proper guidance to field staff about the GPO reform. Regarding escalation beyond local offices - that's a great suggestion that I haven't seen mentioned yet. The SSA does have regional offices that oversee multiple field locations, and filing complaints with the Office of Inspector General could help document how widespread this implementation problem is. It might also be worth contacting SSA's national headquarters directly since this affects thousands of retirees with government pensions nationwide. I think the protective filing date strategy mentioned by others here is still the most immediate solution for individuals, but your point about addressing this "from the top down" could help fix the root cause for everyone dealing with this mess. Thanks for bringing up those additional escalation options!
As someone who just joined this community after experiencing my own GPO nightmare, I can't thank everyone enough for sharing these detailed strategies! I'm a retired teacher from Texas and went through the exact same runaround at my local SSA office three weeks ago. What really helped me was printing out the actual text of the Social Security Fairness Act (Public Law 118-29) and highlighting the specific sections about GPO reform. I also found SSA's own Program Operations Manual System (POMS) updates online that reference the changes - having their own internal guidance seemed to carry more weight with the representatives. One thing I'd add to the excellent advice here: if you're getting nowhere with the field office, try calling SSA's national customer service line at 1-800-772-1213 and specifically ask to speak with someone about "GPO reform implementation under Public Law 118-29." I found the phone representatives were sometimes more knowledgeable than local office staff, and they can also help you locate which nearby offices might have better-trained Technical Experts. Stay persistent everyone - we've earned these benefits and shouldn't have to fight this hard for what's rightfully ours under the new law!
Thanks everyone for the helpful responses! To summarize what I've learned: only my work income counts toward the earnings limit (about $22,300 for 2025), NOT my Social Security benefits. And they use the gross amount before deductions. I really appreciate all the clarification - this makes my retirement planning much easier. I'll be sure to report my expected earnings accurately when I apply next year to avoid any surprises.
Just wanted to add one more helpful tip for anyone in a similar situation - keep detailed records of your monthly earnings throughout the year! I learned this the hard way when SSA asked me to verify my income. Having pay stubs organized by month made the process much smoother. Also, if you have any months where you earn significantly more or less (like seasonal work or bonuses), it's worth calling SSA to update your earnings estimate. They're much more understanding if you're proactive about reporting changes rather than them finding out later during their annual review.
That's excellent advice! I wish I had thought about the record-keeping aspect earlier. Do you recommend any particular way to organize the pay stubs? Like in a spreadsheet with monthly totals or just keeping the physical/digital copies sorted by month? Also, when you say "update your earnings estimate" - is that something you can do online through your my Social Security account or do you have to call? I'm trying to set myself up for success from the beginning rather than scrambling later like it sounds like you had to do.
Dylan Mitchell
I went through this exact same process last year when I turned 66 and 8 months! Your timing sounds perfect - applying in April for May benefits gives SSA plenty of processing time. Since your birthday is on the 17th, you're absolutely right that you'll get paid on the third Wednesday of May. One thing that really helped me was setting up text alerts with my bank so I'd get notified the moment any deposit hit my account. Made that first payment feel more real when I got the alert! Also, don't be surprised if you get a phone call from SSA in the next week or two asking to verify some basic information from your application. It's totally routine - they called me about 5 days after I applied just to confirm my mailing address and direct deposit info. The whole call took maybe 3 minutes. You mentioned being nervous even though you waited until FRA - I felt the exact same way! But honestly, claiming at full retirement age is the sweet spot. You get your full benefit without any early filing reductions, and you don't have to gamble on delayed retirement credits. You made a smart choice. The waiting is definitely the hardest part, but it sounds like you've got everything lined up perfectly. That third Wednesday in May is going to feel pretty great!
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Oliver Fischer
•Dylan, this is so helpful to hear from someone who went through the exact same situation! I'm definitely going to set up those text alerts with my bank - that's a great idea. And thanks for the heads up about the potential verification call from SSA. I'll make sure to answer unknown numbers for the next couple weeks so I don't miss it. It's really comforting to know that someone else felt nervous about this process even when doing everything "right." I keep second-guessing myself wondering if I should have applied earlier or later, but you're right that FRA feels like the sweet spot for my situation. That third Wednesday in May can't come soon enough! I'm trying to stay patient but it's hard not to get excited about this milestone. Thanks for sharing your experience and the reassurance - it really means a lot to hear from someone who successfully navigated this exact same timeline.
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Liam Fitzgerald
I'm going through this exact same process right now! I just turned 66 and 8 months last week and submitted my application online on Monday. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly reassuring - especially hearing from people who've successfully navigated this timeline recently. One thing I wanted to add that I learned during my research: if you're still working (even part-time), make sure SSA has your most recent earnings information. I called them before applying because my 2024 W-2 showed higher earnings than what was reflected in my Social Security statement, and they were able to update my record which actually increased my projected benefit amount by about $30/month. Also, I set up account alerts on my MySocialSecurity account so I'll get email notifications for any status changes. Might be worth doing if you haven't already! The anxiety about this whole process is so real, even when you've done everything by the book. But reading everyone's positive experiences here gives me hope that our May payments will arrive right on schedule. Here's to joining the ranks of Social Security recipients! 🎉
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