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This is an excellent point about survivor benefits. While spousal benefits are capped at 50% of the worker's PIA (FRA amount), survivor benefits can include 100% of the deceased spouse's benefit, including delayed retirement credits. For couples with significant differences in earnings history, this survivor benefit protection is often the most compelling reason for the higher earner to delay benefits until age 70.

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I'm new here but going through a very similar situation! My husband is 69 and still working, planning to file at 70, and I'm 63 trying to figure out the best timing for my benefits. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful - especially learning that spousal benefits are based on his FRA amount, not his age-70 amount. That was news to me! One thing I'm still wondering about though - if I start my own benefits early (say at 64), would that reduce the spousal benefit calculation later? Or would I still get bumped up to the full 50% of his PIA when he files at 70, even if my own benefit was reduced for filing early? Also, has anyone here actually used that Claimyr service mentioned above? I'm getting desperate trying to reach SSA directly and might be willing to pay for help at this point!

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Welcome to the community! I'm also new here and found this thread super helpful. Regarding your question about filing early - if you take your own benefits at 64 (which would be reduced), you would still get bumped up to the spousal benefit amount when your husband files at 70, BUT your total would be based on YOUR reduced benefit plus the difference to reach 50% of his PIA. So filing early does impact the total you'd receive even with spousal benefits. I haven't used Claimyr myself, but after reading the comments here I'm seriously considering it too! The SSA phone situation is just impossible right now. Has anyone else here actually tried their service and can share more details about the cost and experience?

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Has anyone calculated exactly how long you need to live to break even if you wait from 67 to 70? I keep getting confused trying to do the math.

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The basic break-even calculation is straightforward: For a $2,850 FRA benefit, waiting until 70 means forgoing about $102,600 (36 months × $2,850) but gaining about $684 extra per month thereafter (24% of $2,850). Dividing $102,600 by $684 gives you approximately 150 months, or 12.5 years. So you'd break even around age 82.5. Every month beyond that, you're coming out ahead by delaying. This calculation doesn't account for inflation, cost-of-living adjustments, or potential investment returns, which could adjust the break-even age slightly.

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As someone who recently went through this exact decision process, I can share what ultimately helped me decide. I'm 68 now and chose to delay until 70 after being on the fence for months. The key factors that swayed me were: 1) I genuinely enjoy my work and don't need the money immediately, 2) My health is good and I have longevity in my family, and 3) The guaranteed 8% return is unbeatable in today's market. What really sealed the deal was running different scenarios with a fee-only financial planner who showed me that even if I only live to 85, the extra monthly income in my later years when I might have higher healthcare costs would be invaluable. The peace of mind knowing I maximized my benefit has been worth the wait so far. Since you're in a similar situation - still working and enjoying it - the math seems to favor waiting in your case too.

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I just went through a similar situation last year! I was on SSDI for 16 years and discovered I could get a higher benefit based on my ex-husband's record. Here's what I learned that might help you: First, definitely try the online application through your my Social Security account like Amina mentioned. I found it much easier than the phone maze. The system will automatically check all your options and tell you which gives the highest benefit. Second, with your $1,450 current benefit, you'd need your ex or current husband to have a monthly benefit of around $2,900+ for you to see any increase at age 62 (due to the early filing reduction). But if either of them had high earnings, it's definitely possible. Third, timing matters! If you do qualify for a higher spousal benefit, apply as soon as possible. I waited a few months thinking about it and realized I could have gotten those retroactive payments Amina mentioned. The online application took me about 45 minutes to complete, and I heard back within two weeks. Even though my increase was only $127/month, that's over $1,500 per year - definitely worth it! Don't let the complexity discourage you from at least checking your options.

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This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I needed to hear! Thank you for breaking down the timeline and process so clearly. I'm definitely going to try the online application through my Social Security account first - it sounds much more manageable than spending hours on hold. The fact that you got a response in just two weeks is encouraging. Even if my potential increase is similar to yours at around $127/month, you're absolutely right that $1,500+ per year makes a real difference, especially with how expensive everything has gotten. I really appreciate you sharing the specific benefit threshold too ($2,900+) - that gives me a realistic expectation of what my ex or current husband would need to be receiving. I'm going to get started on this application this week!

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Just wanted to add one more important consideration that I haven't seen mentioned yet - make sure you understand how Medicare premiums might be affected if your Social Security benefit increases. When you're on SSDI, your Medicare Part B premium is usually deducted from your monthly payment. If you switch to a higher spousal or ex-spousal benefit, your net increase might be slightly less than the gross increase due to how Medicare premiums are calculated based on income. Also, if you're receiving any other benefits like SNAP or Medicaid, a higher Social Security payment could potentially affect your eligibility for those programs. It's worth checking with those agencies too if you do end up qualifying for a higher benefit. That said, don't let this discourage you from pursuing it! In most cases, the Social Security increase will more than offset any other changes. Just good to know about these potential impacts ahead of time so there are no surprises.

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That's a really good point about Medicare premiums and other benefit programs! I hadn't thought about how a Social Security increase might affect my other assistance. I do receive SNAP benefits, so I'll definitely need to check with them about how any increase would impact my eligibility. It's helpful to know about this upfront rather than getting surprised later. Do you know if there's a general rule of thumb about how much of a Social Security increase might affect SNAP benefits, or does it vary by state? Either way, you're right that the Social Security increase would likely still be worth it overall, but it's smart to plan for the full picture. Thanks for bringing this up!

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One more important point - if your sister is planning to claim retirement on her own work record eventually, she needs to understand the strategy carefully. She can: 1. Take reduced survivor benefits now and later switch to her own retirement (which would continue growing until age 70) 2. Take her own reduced retirement at 62 and later switch to full survivor benefits at her full retirement age Which option is better depends on their respective earnings records. The local SSA office can run calculations to show which would give her more money long-term. Just make sure whoever she speaks with understands she wants to compare these two strategies.

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That's incredibly helpful - I had no idea she could potentially switch between benefits. She's worked all her life but never made much money, so I suspect his benefit might be higher. I'll make sure she asks for these calculations!

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I'm sorry for your family's loss. Based on what you've shared, your sister should definitely be eligible for survivor benefits since they were still legally married when he passed away. The separation doesn't matter - only the legal marital status counts. A few things to keep in mind: At 58, she can get reduced survivor benefits (around 71.5% of what she'd receive at full retirement age). However, since she's earning about $24,000, which is above the 2025 earnings limit of $22,320, her benefits will be reduced by $1 for every $2 she earns over that limit. She should apply as soon as possible since survivor benefits generally can't be paid retroactively before the application date. She'll need their marriage certificate, his death certificate, both Social Security numbers, and her birth certificate. Given her work history, it might be worth having SSA calculate whether it's better to take reduced survivor benefits now and switch to her own retirement benefit later, or take her own reduced retirement at 62 and switch to full survivor benefits at her full retirement age. The office can run these scenarios for her.

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I'm definitely going to have her ask about those different scenarios when she applies. It sounds like there might be some strategic decisions to make depending on what the calculations show. I really appreciate everyone's help - this community has been so informative!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Natasha. My heart goes out to you during this incredibly difficult time. Having to navigate Social Security bureaucracy while grieving is just overwhelming. I wanted to add one more practical tip that helped me when I went through something similar with my late father's benefits: If you end up having trouble getting through to SSA by phone (which seems to be a common frustration based on what others have shared), try calling first thing in the morning right when they open at 8 AM local time, or late in the day around 4-5 PM. I found those times had shorter wait times. Also, when you do get your appointment scheduled, ask the representative to give you a written summary of what was discussed and the benefit amounts calculated. I learned the hard way that having everything documented prevents confusion later when the payments actually start. The advice everyone has given you here is spot-on - applying for the reduced survivor benefit now makes the most financial sense in your situation. That extra $900+ per month will provide real security and peace of mind, which is exactly what you need right now as you adjust to this major life change. Wishing you strength as you work through all of this. You're handling a very complicated situation with grace.

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Thank you so much, Khalil. Those calling tips are really helpful - I'll definitely try calling right when they open at 8 AM. I've been trying in the middle of the day and getting nowhere, so maybe timing is key. You're absolutely right about getting everything in writing. After all the different answers I've gotten from various SSA representatives, I'm not taking any chances. I'm going to ask them to document every calculation and decision at my appointment. It's been such a blessing to have this community's support during this time. What started as confusion and conflicting information has turned into a clear path forward thanks to everyone's advice and shared experiences. The math is convincing - nearly $30,000 over the next few years is not something I can afford to give up, especially when I'm trying to figure out my new financial reality. I'm feeling much more confident now about applying for the survivor benefits right away. Thank you again for the practical tips and the kind words. This thread has truly been a lifeline when I needed it most.

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My deepest condolences on the loss of your husband, Natasha. Having been through a similar situation myself about three years ago, I understand how overwhelming it can be to navigate these benefit decisions while grieving. Everyone here has given you excellent advice, and I want to reinforce that your decision to apply for survivor benefits now is absolutely the right one. The financial analysis is clear - you'll be significantly better off taking the reduced survivor benefit immediately rather than waiting. One thing I'd like to add from my own experience: when you go to your SSA appointment, ask them about the "deemed filing" rules. Sometimes people think they have to choose between their own retirement benefit OR survivor benefits, but actually you can be receiving both simultaneously - you just get paid the higher of the two amounts. The SSA will automatically pay you whichever benefit is larger each month. Also, make sure to ask about Medicare implications if you're not already enrolled. When your income increases from the higher survivor benefit, it might affect your Medicare premiums down the road, though this is usually a minor consideration compared to the substantial monthly increase you'll receive. The community support you've received here is wonderful, and I hope it helps ease some of the stress of this difficult transition. Your husband would want you to have this financial security.

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Elliott, thank you for that additional insight about deemed filing - I wasn't aware of that concept and it's reassuring to know that SSA will automatically calculate which benefit is higher for me each month. That takes some of the worry out of making the "wrong" choice. Your point about Medicare premiums is something I should definitely ask about at my appointment. I'm already enrolled in Medicare Part B, so I'll make sure to understand how the increased income from survivor benefits might affect my costs in the future. It's been incredibly comforting to hear from people like you who have walked this difficult path before. When you're in the midst of grief, even simple decisions feel overwhelming, let alone something this complex with Social Security. Having this community share their experiences and expertise has made such a difference in my confidence about moving forward. I have my SSA appointment scheduled for next week, and I feel so much more prepared thanks to everyone's advice. I'm bringing a list of questions, all my documents, and my sister for support. The math is clear - applying for the reduced survivor benefit now is the right financial decision for my situation. Thank you for sharing your experience and for the kind words about my husband. This support means everything right now.

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