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UPDATE: My 1099 finally appeared online this morning! Looks like they are indeed rolling them out gradually. For those still waiting, keep checking your online account daily.

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just checked and mine is there too! finally!!!

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Great to hear they're finally showing up! I'm a new SSA beneficiary (just started receiving benefits in late 2024) and wasn't sure what to expect for my first tax season. This thread has been really helpful in understanding the normal timeline and what to do if there are delays. I'll make sure to keep checking my MySocialSecurity account over the next few days. Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences!

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I'm really sorry you're dealing with this - a $650 monthly discrepancy is absolutely significant and you deserve clear answers! A few additional thoughts that might help: 1. **Request your complete earnings record** - Sometimes there are discrepancies between what shows online and what's actually used in the calculation. Ask for a printout of your complete indexed earnings history. 2. **Ask about the "bend points"** - These are the income thresholds used to calculate your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). The online calculator might have used different bend points than what was actually applied. 3. **Verify your retirement age calculation** - Even a small error in determining your exact full retirement age can impact the reduction factors applied for early retirement. The missing interview is particularly concerning. That's supposed to be when they verify all your information and catch calculation errors BEFORE finalizing your benefit. I'd argue this represents a failure in their process that may have prejudiced your case. When you call, be firm that you need a line-by-line explanation of how they calculated your benefit, including all reduction factors applied. Don't accept vague explanations - you're entitled to understand exactly where that $650 difference came from. Document everything and consider filing a formal appeal if they can't provide satisfactory answers. This much of a discrepancy suggests either a calculation error or missing information that should be corrected.

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you for breaking down all these specific technical aspects! I hadn't heard of "bend points" before, but that sounds like exactly the kind of detail that could cause a major discrepancy if applied incorrectly. The point about requesting my complete indexed earnings history is really important too. I've been assuming that what I see in my online account is what they actually used, but you're right that there could be differences between the display version and what goes into the actual calculation. I'm definitely going to ask about all of these - the bend points, the exact full retirement age calculation, and a complete printout of my indexed earnings. And I'll be firm about getting that line-by-line explanation. After reading everyone's responses here, I realize I was way too accepting of vague answers in my first call. The appeal option is something I hadn't considered, but you're absolutely right that this level of discrepancy warrants formal action if they can't explain it satisfactorily. I've worked and paid into this system for over 40 years - I deserve to get the correct benefit amount, and I deserve to understand exactly how it was calculated. Thank you for emphasizing that the missing interview represents a process failure. I'm going to make that a central part of my argument when I call back. Really appreciate all the detailed guidance!

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This is absolutely infuriating and unfortunately all too common! I went through something very similar last year - my actual benefit was about $580 less than what the online calculator showed. Like you, I made major financial decisions based on that estimate. After weeks of pushing for answers, here's what I learned that might help you: 1. **The online calculator uses "projected" earnings** for recent years that may not match your actual reported earnings. If you had any changes in income in your final working years, this can cause huge discrepancies. 2. **Ask specifically about "windfall elimination"** - even if you don't think it applies to you. Sometimes people have old pension contributions they forgot about that trigger WEP. 3. **Request a "Manual Calculation Review"** - this is different from the PEBES others mentioned. It's where a specialist manually recalculates your benefit to verify the computer didn't make an error. The missing interview is a huge red flag. I had to escalate to a supervisor to get them to admit that skipping quality control steps can lead to calculation errors. In my case, they found a mistake in how they indexed one of my higher earning years. Don't give up! File a formal Request for Reconsideration if they can't explain the discrepancy. You have 60 days from your award notice to appeal. I eventually got my benefit corrected, but it took 4 months of persistent follow-up. Document everything and stay firm - $650/month is worth fighting for!

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This is incredibly helpful and gives me so much hope! Thank you for sharing your experience and the specific steps you took. The fact that you eventually got your benefit corrected after finding an indexing error is exactly what I needed to hear. I'm definitely going to ask about that "Manual Calculation Review" - I hadn't heard of that option before. And you're absolutely right about the projected earnings issue. I did have some variability in my final working years due to cutting back hours before retirement, so that could easily explain part of the discrepancy. The 60-day appeal window is crucial information - I need to act fast since I just got my award notice. I'm not going to let them brush this off as "estimates are just estimates" when there could be an actual calculation error like in your case. It's encouraging to know that persistence paid off for you, even though it took 4 months. At $650/month, that's worth the effort even if it takes time. I'm prepared to escalate to supervisors and file formal appeals if necessary. Thank you for the reminder about documentation too - I'm starting a detailed log of every interaction from this point forward. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your successful outcome. It gives me confidence that I can get this resolved too!

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Have you considered that maybe you were actually eligible for Medicare earlier than you thought? Sometimes they backdate coverage if you were eligible but didn't sign up right away.

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I don't think so, but I'll double check. Thanks for the suggestion!

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This is so frustrating! I'm dealing with something similar right now. When I called Medicare, they basically said "not our problem" and when I called SSA, they put me on hold for 2 hours before disconnecting. Has anyone tried filing a complaint with Medicare directly? I'm wondering if that might light a fire under them to actually coordinate with SSA properly. It's ridiculous that we have to be the middleman between two government agencies that should be talking to each other!

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Amara Eze

I totally feel your pain! The 2-hour hold followed by a disconnect is just insulting. Filing a complaint with Medicare might actually be worth trying - sometimes formal complaints get routed to people with more authority to actually fix things. You could also try submitting a complaint through the Medicare.gov website or calling their helpline to escalate it. The fact that they're making patients be the go-between for their own coordination failures is absolutely ridiculous. Hang in there!

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I'm in a similar situation and have been tracking this issue closely. One thing I'd add is that you should also be aware of how the depreciation recapture portion gets treated. While the entire gain (including depreciation recapture) doesn't count toward the Social Security earnings limit, the depreciation recapture portion is taxed as ordinary income rather than capital gains rates. This won't affect your SS benefits but could push you into a higher tax bracket. Also, if you're getting close to the combined income thresholds that determine taxation of Social Security benefits ($25K single/$32K married), this extra income could make more of your benefits taxable even though it doesn't count toward the earnings test. It's one of those quirky situations where the same income is treated differently for different purposes within the Social Security system.

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This is such a helpful breakdown of the tax implications! I hadn't considered how the depreciation recapture would be taxed differently even though it doesn't affect the earnings limit. It sounds like I need to prepare for potentially owing more in taxes overall, even if my SS benefits aren't reduced. The distinction between how income affects the earnings test versus benefit taxation is definitely confusing - thanks for explaining that clearly!

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I want to add one more perspective that might be helpful - I'm a retired tax preparer and dealt with this exact situation multiple times. You're absolutely correct that the capital gain from selling your business vehicle won't count toward the $22,300 earnings limit. However, I always advised my clients to keep a detailed folder with the original purchase receipt, all depreciation schedules you've claimed over the years, any improvements made to the vehicle, and the sale documentation. If SSA ever questions it (which is rare but can happen), having everything organized makes the process much smoother. Also, since you mentioned you're being careful about staying under the earnings limit, remember that the limit increases each year with cost-of-living adjustments - for 2025 it's actually $23,400, so you'll have a bit more wiggle room next year. The main thing is to keep your actual consulting income (after business expenses) below the threshold, which it sounds like you're already doing well.

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This is such valuable information for grandparents! I wanted to add something that might help - if you're concerned about proving the parents aren't providing support (like Sofia mentioned), you can also ask SSA about getting a "Statement of Non-Support" form. This is something the absent parents can sign (if you can locate them) or you can provide an affidavit explaining their absence and lack of contact. I learned this when helping my neighbor with a similar situation. Also, keep records of ANY expenses you pay for your grandson - school supplies, clothes, activities, even small things add up and show the pattern of you being the primary provider. The more documentation you have, the stronger your case will be.

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This is incredibly helpful information, Emma! The Statement of Non-Support form sounds like exactly what I might need. In my case, the parents have been completely out of the picture for years - no contact, no support, nothing. I was worried about how to prove that negative, but having an official form or affidavit option makes it feel much more manageable. I'm definitely going to start keeping better records of all expenses too. You're right that even the small things add up - school lunches, haircuts, new shoes when he outgrows them. It's easy to forget how much we actually spend on these kids when it just becomes part of daily life. Thanks for sharing what you learned from your neighbor's experience!

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As someone new to this community, I just wanted to say how incredibly helpful this entire thread has been! I'm in a very similar situation - I've had custody of my 8-year-old nephew for the past 4 years after his parents lost their rights due to substance abuse issues. Reading through Sofia's journey and everyone's advice has given me so much hope and direction for planning our future when I retire in a few years. The practical tips about documentation, the health insurance angle, and especially learning about the Statement of Non-Support form are game-changers. It's reassuring to know that SSA does recognize these family situations where grandparents and other relatives step up to raise children. Thank you all for sharing your experiences so openly - it makes navigating this complex system feel much less overwhelming for those of us just starting to research our options.

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Xan Dae

Welcome to the community, Ella! Your situation sounds really challenging but it's wonderful that you stepped up for your nephew. One thing I'd suggest as you start planning - don't wait until you're close to retirement to gather all your documentation. Start collecting everything now while it's easier to remember and find records. Also, since your nephew's parents lost their rights due to substance abuse, that might actually make your case stronger with SSA compared to situations where parents just aren't around. The court records showing terminated parental rights could be powerful evidence. Have you considered adoption since the parents' rights were terminated? It might simplify things significantly when you do apply for benefits.

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