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As a newcomer to this community, I want to express my gratitude for this incredibly thorough and reassuring discussion! I'm 62 and have been wrestling with this exact question about post-60 earnings and Social Security for weeks now. Like so many others here, I completely misunderstood how the indexing system works and was genuinely worried that my higher current earnings (around $55,000 after years of much lower wages) were somehow being "discounted" because they aren't indexed. Reading through everyone's real experiences has been such a relief! The key insight that helped me was understanding that indexing is designed to help your OLDER earnings compete fairly with your NEWER earnings by adjusting for inflation, not to penalize current work. When your current salary is genuinely higher than what you earned decades ago (even after that inflation adjustment), those current earnings still win and boost your benefit calculation. I immediately followed everyone's advice and created my ssa.gov account, and what an eye-opener! I can clearly see that my current earnings will replace several very low years from when I was working minimal hours. The 35-year calculation really does favor people with variable work histories when they have higher earnings later in their careers. This community has provided such valuable real-world evidence that working past 60 with higher earnings is beneficial, not harmful, for Social Security purposes. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences - you've helped me make a much more confident decision about continuing to work rather than filing for early benefits!

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As a newcomer to this community, I want to add my heartfelt thanks for this incredibly informative discussion! I'm 59 and recently got promoted to a position that will put me at around $70,000 starting next year - my highest salary ever after decades of lower-paying work. I had been losing sleep over whether accepting this promotion would somehow hurt my Social Security benefits because of the indexing cutoff at 60. I was even considering turning it down! But reading through all these real-world experiences has completely transformed my understanding. The breakthrough moment for me was realizing that the indexing system is actually designed to be FAIR - it gives your older earnings a chance to compete with modern wages by adjusting for inflation, but if you're genuinely earning more now than you did back then (even after that adjustment), your current work still provides the greater benefit. What really sealed it for me was seeing how many people here have tracked their actual benefit estimates on ssa.gov and watched them increase month by month as they continued working past 60 with higher salaries. That's concrete proof that the system works exactly as described. I'm definitely accepting this promotion and will be setting up my ssa.gov account this week to monitor how my estimated benefits change. This community has probably saved me from making a terrible career mistake based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how Social Security actually works. Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and experiences!

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One additional tip for managing your withholding - you can change your withholding percentage at any time during the year if you find that 22% is too much or too little. Just submit Form W-4V (Voluntary Withholding Request) to SSA. I did this twice in my first year of collecting benefits as I figured out what worked best for my tax situation. It usually takes 1-2 months for the change to take effect, so plan accordingly if you need to adjust. Also worth noting that if you're married and your spouse also receives Social Security, you can have different withholding percentages on each person's benefits to fine-tune your overall tax strategy.

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This is really valuable information, especially about being able to adjust the withholding during the year! I didn't realize it was that flexible. The tip about married couples having different withholding percentages is particularly helpful - my spouse won't be eligible for benefits for another few years, so it's good to know we can optimize this when the time comes. Do you happen to know if there are any limits on how often you can change your withholding percentage in a given year?

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Rick B

I totally don't understand or agree with the comment that withholding on SS benefits is before Medicare is deducted. I receive my first benefit in early September 2025, and I also had questions about the order in which medicare deductions and withholding are made, plus whether withholding is on the total benefit versus the benefit after medicare premiums/IRMAAs are deducted. I had heard different things from SSA agents. I just received my letters from SSA spelling this out, and it is very clear that everything stated previously on this thread is incorrect. From the letters (unless someone at SSA made an error-perish the thought), medicare premiums/IRMAAs are first deducted from my total benefit. The withholding percentage I selected on my W-4V (which is able to be done online now) is then subtracted from the remaining amount. For example, using some made-up numbers, if my total benefit is $4000, and my medicare amounts total $600, then my interim benefit is $3400. Next, 12% (in my case) of $3400 is computed ($408), and that is subtracted from $3400 to get a final net benefit of $2992. That is how the letter describes the computations and the order in which they are done.

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Rick, this is absolutely crucial information and I'm so grateful you shared the official SSA documentation! This completely changes my understanding of the withholding process. Your example clearly demonstrates the significant difference - withholding calculated on $3400 after Medicare deductions rather than the full $4000 gross benefit. That's a difference of $72 per month in your example ($480 vs $408), which is substantial for budget planning. I'm quite concerned that there seems to be such widespread misinformation about this, even among SSA representatives giving advice over the phone. This really underscores why we need to insist on written documentation rather than relying on verbal explanations. Like others have asked, could you please share the specific title or form number of the SSA letter that outlined this calculation method? I want to make sure I request the exact same documentation when I contact SSA. Also, regarding your mention of the W-4V being available online now - is that through the my Social Security portal? This information is going to help so many people plan their finances more accurately. Thank you for bringing the actual facts from official sources to this discussion - it's exactly what we needed to resolve this confusion!

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Rick, this is absolutely fascinating and thank you for sharing the official SSA documentation! This completely contradicts what I've been told and what others have shared here. If your letter is correct and withholding is calculated AFTER Medicare deductions, that would save me about $46 per month compared to what I was planning for (22% of my $209.70 Medicare premium). I'm really concerned about this discrepancy since it seems like even SSA phone representatives have been giving incorrect information. Could you please share the specific name or document number of the letter you received? I want to request the same official documentation before my benefits start. Also, you mentioned the W-4V can now be done online - is that through the my Social Security portal? That would be much more convenient than mailing forms. This really highlights why we need official written documentation rather than relying on phone conversations with SSA. Thanks for bringing the facts to light - this could affect a lot of people's financial planning significantly!

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I'm really sorry for your loss, Keisha. Based on what you've described and the helpful responses from others here, it sounds like you have the right approach - reporting this on your personal tax return since you're the actual recipient of the survivor benefit. One additional thing I'd suggest is double-checking with Social Security about your ongoing survivor benefits to make sure everything is set up correctly going forward. Sometimes there can be adjustments or changes in benefit amounts that you'll want to be aware of for future tax planning. Also, if you're feeling overwhelmed by managing three different tax returns, many tax professionals offer package deals for handling multiple related returns (personal, final, and estate) which can sometimes be more cost-effective than doing them separately. Take care of yourself during this difficult time, and don't hesitate to get professional help if you need the extra peace of mind!

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Lucy Lam

Thank you, Miles. That's a great point about checking on the ongoing survivor benefits setup - I want to make sure everything is configured properly going forward. The package deal idea for the tax returns is also really helpful since I'm definitely feeling overwhelmed trying to juggle all three. It would be nice to have one professional handle everything and ensure they're all consistent with each other. I really appreciate everyone's advice and support in this thread - it's made what seemed like an impossible tax situation much clearer!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Keisha. This is such a difficult situation to navigate while you're grieving. I went through something similar when my uncle passed away last year, and the tax implications were really confusing at first. Based on what you've described and the excellent advice from others here, it sounds like you're on the right track. Since Social Security specifically reissued that payment to you as the survivor (evidenced by both names being on the check with "deceased" notation), it's definitely your income to report on your personal tax return, not your mom's final return or the estate return. One thing I learned that might help you - when I was dealing with my uncle's situation, I found it really helpful to create a simple timeline document that outlined what happened and when. It helped me keep everything straight for my own understanding and also served as documentation if any questions came up later. Something like: "Mom passed December 2024 → SSA issued survivor payment January 2025 → Payment deposited to my account" etc. Also, since you're dealing with three different tax returns, I'd definitely echo the advice about considering a tax professional who can handle all three as a package. The peace of mind is worth it, especially during your first year dealing with all this. Hang in there - you're doing great managing all these complex details during such a difficult time.

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Thank you so much, Keisha (it's funny we have the same name!). The timeline document idea is brilliant - I've been keeping scattered notes but having everything organized chronologically would be so much clearer. You're right that it would serve as good documentation too. I'm definitely leaning toward finding a tax professional who can handle all three returns as a package deal after reading everyone's advice. It's been really overwhelming trying to figure this out on my own while dealing with everything else. I can't thank everyone in this thread enough - what seemed like an impossible situation this morning now feels totally manageable!

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I'm also dealing with a very similar situation and this thread has been absolutely invaluable! Filed in mid-December for February benefits, been paying Medicare Part B quarterly since turning 65, and I'm currently at about 7 weeks in Stage 2 processing. Before finding this discussion, I was really starting to panic that something was wrong with my application. It's such a relief to learn that 8-12 weeks is actually normal processing time right now, and that so many others are experiencing the exact same timeline. The Medicare premium overlap issue has been my biggest source of anxiety, but thanks to everyone's detailed experiences, I now have a solid plan: 1. Expect SSA to deduct Medicare premium from first payment despite advance payments 2. Proactively call Medicare Premium Collection Center (1-800-633-4227) about 2 weeks after first SS payment arrives 3. Request the CREDIT option instead of waiting months for a refund check 4. Stop direct Medicare payments once SS benefits begin I've already set up the text alerts through MySocialSecurity (thanks Lena for that tip!) and saved all the important phone numbers. The advice about calling SSA right at 8 AM is something I'll definitely try if needed. It's incredible how much this community has helped turn what felt like an overwhelming and confusing process into something manageable with a clear roadmap. The real-world experiences and practical advice here are so much more helpful than the generic government website information. Thank you to everyone who took the time to share their journeys - it's made such a difference during this stressful waiting period!

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Welcome to the community, Aria! I'm also relatively new here but have been following this incredibly helpful thread. It's amazing how many of us are going through nearly identical situations right now - I filed around the same time as you and am also at about 7-8 weeks in Stage 2. This discussion has been such a game-changer for my peace of mind. Before finding it, I was convinced my application was stuck or lost somewhere in the system! The collective wisdom here about both the SSA processing timelines and the Medicare premium overlap strategy is invaluable. Your action plan summary is perfect - I've copied those same steps and phone numbers. The proactive approach with Medicare really seems to be the key to avoiding months of waiting for refunds. I'm also grateful for all the practical tips like the text alerts and the 8 AM calling strategy. It's so reassuring to be part of a community where people share real experiences rather than just generic advice. Hopefully we'll all start seeing our applications move to Stage 3 soon! Thanks for adding your timeline - every data point helps us all feel more confident about what's normal.

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I'm also going through this exact situation and wanted to thank everyone for sharing such detailed experiences! Filed in early December for January benefits, been paying Medicare Part B quarterly since turning 65, and I'm at about 9 weeks in Stage 2 processing. This thread has been incredibly reassuring - I was getting really anxious thinking my application was stuck or something had gone wrong. Learning that 8-12 weeks is actually normal processing time right now has been such a relief! The Medicare premium overlap was my biggest concern, but now I have a clear strategy thanks to everyone's advice: - Accept that SSA will deduct the premium from my first payment regardless of advance payments - Proactively call Medicare Premium Collection Center (1-800-633-4227) about 2 weeks after my first SS payment - Request the CREDIT option rather than waiting for a refund check - Stop making direct Medicare payments once benefits start I've set up text alerts through MySocialSecurity and saved all the important numbers. The tip about calling SSA right at 8 AM is brilliant - I'll definitely try that if I need to contact them. It's amazing how this community has transformed what felt like an overwhelming and confusing process into something manageable with a clear roadmap. The real-world experiences shared here are so much more valuable than generic government website info. Thank you all for making this stressful waiting period so much more bearable!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Anastasia. What a difficult situation to navigate while grieving. After reading through all the excellent advice here, I think you have a really clear picture now of what to expect. One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that you might want to ask the SSA representative about setting up direct deposit during your call if you haven't already. They can usually handle that right away, which means once your benefits are approved, payments will go directly to your account without any delays for mailed checks. Also, if you have any adult children, you might want to consider having one of them nearby during the call (or on speaker if the rep allows it) as a second set of ears. Sometimes when we're stressed or emotional, it helps to have someone else listening who can help remember important details later. You've gotten such wonderful, thorough advice from everyone here. The consensus is clear - keep your October 31st appointment and don't stress about those few days until your birthday. You're going to do great, and this community will be here if you have any follow-up questions after your appointment. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.

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That's excellent advice about direct deposit and having someone else listen in, Vince! I hadn't thought about either of those things. Setting up direct deposit during the call makes perfect sense - one less thing to worry about later. And you're absolutely right about having a second set of ears - my daughter actually offered to help me with this process, so I might ask her to be nearby during the call. It's amazing how many practical details there are to consider that I wouldn't have thought of on my own. This community has been such a blessing during this difficult time. I'm feeling so much more prepared and confident about my appointment now thanks to everyone's thoughtful guidance.

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Anastasia. Having just gone through this myself when my husband passed six months ago, I completely understand the overwhelming nature of all these decisions during such a difficult time. From everything shared here, you've received absolutely excellent advice - definitely keep your October 31st appointment. That 3-day difference truly is insignificant (around 0.3-0.4% of your benefit), and getting the process started will mean your first payment arrives in November rather than December. One additional tip that helped me tremendously: after your appointment, ask the representative for their direct phone number or extension if possible. While you can always call the main SSA number, sometimes having a direct contact who's already familiar with your case can save time if you have follow-up questions or need to submit additional documentation. Also, don't be discouraged if your first payment takes 4-6 weeks to arrive after your appointment. The system can be slow, but once it starts, payments are very reliable. You sound so much more confident and prepared now after all this community support. The hardest part is often just not knowing what to expect, and you definitely have that covered now. Wishing you strength for your appointment and the journey ahead.

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Thank you so much, William. Your advice about asking for a direct contact number is brilliant - I can see how that would save so much time and frustration later if issues come up. It's also really helpful to know that the first payment might take 4-6 weeks, so I won't worry if it doesn't arrive immediately. Having just gone through this process yourself, your insights are especially valuable. I feel like I've received such comprehensive guidance from everyone here that I'm actually looking forward to getting this sorted out rather than dreading it. It's amazing how much difference it makes to feel prepared and supported. Thank you for sharing your recent experience and for the encouragement!

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