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I just went through this exact scenario with my craft business! I purchased $3,750 in materials in December 2023 but didn't sell anything until January 2024. My accountant had me file a Schedule C showing zero income, and we listed the inventory on Part III but didn't claim it as COGS yet since nothing sold. We did deduct my $850 in legitimate business startup expenses like my LLC filing fee, website costs, and business cards. The inventory will become COGS when I file my 2024 taxes as items sell.
Thanks for all the helpful responses everyone! Just to clarify a few additional points that might help other newcomers in similar situations: Make sure you keep detailed records of your inventory purchases with receipts and invoices - the IRS will want to see documentation if questioned. Also, don't forget about the business use of home deduction if you're operating from your residence. Even with zero sales, you can still claim a portion of your home expenses if you have a dedicated business space. And regarding accounting methods - you typically need to choose cash vs accrual when you file your first Schedule C, so research which makes more sense for your business type before filing.
This is really helpful additional context! I'm also just starting out with my small business and had no idea about the business use of home deduction applying even without sales. Quick question - when you mention choosing between cash vs accrual accounting on the first Schedule C, is there a way to change that method later if my business grows, or am I locked into whatever I choose initially? I want to make sure I'm thinking long-term about this decision.
Has anyone else run into issues with lenders when taking this approach? I did something similar last year, and even though we technically kept the same borrowing entity (the LLC), the bank eventually found out about the ownership change and triggered a due-on-sale clause in the mortgage. Ended up having to refinance at a higher rate.
Yes! This happened to my client too. Most commercial mortgages have language about "change in control" that's separate from the due-on-sale clause. The bank declared the loan in technical default when they discovered the LLC's ownership had changed, even though the borrowing entity remained the same on paper.
This is a complex situation that requires immediate attention to several tax and legal issues. First, yes, an S-Corp can legally own 100% of an LLC, but there are critical steps you need to take to properly structure this arrangement. Since you've acquired the single-member LLC, it will become a disregarded entity for federal tax purposes unless you make a specific election otherwise. This means all income, expenses, and activities of the LLC flow through to your S-Corp's tax return (Form 1120S). You'll need to file Form 8822-B to update the responsible party information with the IRS, changing it from the original owner's SSN to your S-Corp's EIN. Regarding your property tax avoidance strategy, I'd strongly recommend checking your local jurisdiction's rules immediately. Many counties and states have closed this "loophole" by defining transfers of controlling interest in entities as taxable events. You may still face reassessment despite purchasing the LLC rather than the property directly. For mortgage payments, you can continue making them through the LLC as normal, but be aware that many commercial loans contain change-of-control provisions that could trigger acceleration clauses when ownership changes occur. I'd recommend consulting with both a tax professional and attorney familiar with your jurisdiction's property tax laws to ensure you're compliant with all requirements and to address any potential issues before they become problems.
This is exactly the kind of comprehensive advice I was hoping to find! Thank you for breaking down all the key steps. I'm particularly concerned about the change-of-control provisions in commercial loans that you mentioned. Our mortgage documents are pretty thick, and I'm not sure how to identify if we have those clauses. Should we proactively reach out to the lender to discuss the ownership change, or is it better to wait and see if they notice? I'm worried that bringing it to their attention might trigger something we could have avoided, but I also don't want to be in violation of loan terms. Also, you mentioned checking local jurisdiction rules for property tax - is there a specific department or office I should contact to get clarity on whether our transaction structure will trigger reassessment?
Great question! Yes, you can convert your SEP IRA to a Roth IRA, but there are some important considerations beyond what others have mentioned. Since you had such a strong year ($70k contribution), you might actually be in a unique position to take advantage of this. One strategy to consider: if your income is typically lower in future years, you could potentially spread the conversion over 2-3 years to stay in lower tax brackets. However, if this was an unusually good year and you expect lower income going forward, converting more now while you're already in a higher bracket might make sense. Also, don't forget about the 5-year rule for Roth conversions - each conversion has its own 5-year clock for penalty-free withdrawals of the converted principal (though this may not matter much if this is truly for retirement). Given the complexity with the pro-rata rule and potential tax implications, you might want to model a few different scenarios - converting the full amount this year, spreading it over 3-4 years, or waiting for a lower income year. The "right" answer really depends on your specific tax situation and income projections.
This is really solid advice about modeling different scenarios! I'm curious about the 5-year rule you mentioned - does that apply separately to each conversion amount, or is it based on when you first start doing Roth conversions? I'm planning to do partial conversions over several years, so I want to make sure I understand how that timing works if I ever need to access the money before traditional retirement age.
Each conversion has its own separate 5-year clock! So if you convert $20k in 2024, that amount becomes penalty-free in 2029. If you convert another $15k in 2025, that portion becomes penalty-free in 2030, and so on. This is different from the 5-year rule for regular Roth IRA contributions, which is based on when you first contributed to any Roth IRA. For conversions, the IRS tracks each one individually. The good news is that if you need to withdraw from your Roth IRA before age 59½, the IRS uses a specific ordering - first your original contributions (always penalty-free), then conversions in chronological order (penalty-free after their respective 5-year periods), and finally earnings (subject to penalties and taxes unless you meet an exception). Since you're planning multiple conversions over several years, I'd recommend keeping good records of each conversion amount and date. Most brokers will track this for you, but it's helpful to have your own records too.
Another important consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet is the impact on your Medicare premiums if you're approaching age 65. Large Roth conversions can significantly increase your Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI), which is what Medicare uses to determine your Part B and Part D premiums through the Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount (IRMAA). For 2024, IRMAA kicks in at $103,000 for single filers, and the surcharges can add hundreds of dollars per month to your Medicare premiums. The surcharges are based on your income from 2 years prior, so a large conversion in 2024 would affect your 2026 Medicare premiums. If you're currently under 63, this might not be an immediate concern, but it's worth factoring into your long-term conversion strategy. You might want to complete larger conversions while you're younger and then switch to smaller amounts as you approach Medicare eligibility. This is yet another reason why spreading the $70k conversion over multiple years could be beneficial - it helps you avoid not just higher income tax brackets, but also potential future Medicare premium increases.
This is such an important point about Medicare premiums that I never would have thought of! I'm 45 now so Medicare feels like forever away, but you're right that decisions I make today could impact my costs in 20 years. Do you know if there are any online calculators or tools that can help estimate the long-term impact of conversion strategies on Medicare premiums? It seems like there are so many moving pieces to consider - current tax brackets, future tax rates, Medicare thresholds, inflation adjustments, etc. I'm starting to think I need to create a spreadsheet to model different conversion scenarios over the next 10-15 years to see which approach minimizes my total lifetime tax burden including these Medicare considerations.
Something no one mentioned yet - if you live in a state with income tax, you'll likely owe state taxes on gambling winnings too! Each state has different rules. For example, some states allow you to deduct losses like federal, others don't. Make sure you check your specific state's rules.
Great point! My state treats gambling losses differently than the IRS does. I learned this the hard way and ended up owing an extra $300 in state taxes that I wasn't expecting.
One thing that might help ease your mind - the $600 threshold is just a reporting requirement, not a withholding trigger. Most sports betting platforms won't automatically withhold taxes from your winnings unless you hit much higher thresholds (usually $5,000+ and certain odds ratios). However, you're still responsible for paying taxes on ALL your gambling income when you file, regardless of whether taxes were withheld. Since you're expecting to stay under $5,000 for the year, you probably won't have automatic withholding, but you should set aside about 20-25% of your net winnings to cover federal and state taxes. Also, make sure you understand the difference between gross winnings and net winnings. You can only deduct losses up to your total winnings if you itemize deductions, so if you win $4,000 but lose $3,000, you'd pay taxes on the full $4,000 but could potentially deduct the $3,000 in losses. Keep every receipt and record!
This is really helpful, thank you! The 20-25% rule of thumb is exactly what I was looking for. I was worried I'd need to withhold taxes from every single win going forward, but it sounds like I just need to be disciplined about setting money aside. One follow-up question - when you mention keeping "every receipt and record," what specific documents should I be saving beyond just my betting history? Are there other types of receipts I should be tracking that relate to my gambling activity?
Sean Murphy
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation but with a twist - my settlement was from a workplace injury and included workers' comp benefits. From what I've researched, workers' comp is generally not taxable, but I'm confused because part of my settlement was for "future lost earnings capacity" rather than just medical expenses. Does anyone know if settlements for future earning capacity from workplace injuries follow the same tax-exempt rules as regular personal injury settlements? I'm worried this might be treated differently since it's more speculative than actual medical costs or current lost wages. Also seeing all the mentions of AI tools and IRS callback services - might have to try those since my situation seems pretty complex with multiple settlement components!
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Rudy Cenizo
ā¢Workers' comp settlements are generally tax-exempt under Section 104(a)(1), including portions for future lost earning capacity, as long as they're compensating for the workplace injury. The key distinction is that this is different from regular employment income - it's compensation for harm caused by the injury. However, there's one important caveat: if you previously deducted any medical expenses related to this workplace injury on past tax returns and are now being reimbursed through the settlement, you may need to report that portion as income. Given the complexity of your situation with multiple settlement components, I'd definitely recommend using one of those AI analysis tools mentioned earlier or getting through to an IRS agent for clarification. Workers' comp settlements can have nuances that are worth getting official guidance on, especially when they involve future earning capacity calculations.
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Chloe Robinson
Reading through all these responses has been super helpful - I had no idea settlements could be so complicated tax-wise! It sounds like the key thing is figuring out exactly what each portion of the settlement was for. @Oliver Fischer - based on what others have shared, since your settlement was specifically for a car accident with physical injuries, the bulk of it (medical expenses, pain and suffering) should be tax-exempt. But you'll want to check if any portion was specifically designated for lost wages or other taxable categories. One thing I'd add that I don't think anyone mentioned yet - make sure to keep really detailed records of your settlement breakdown and any correspondence with the insurance company. Even if most of it isn't taxable, having clear documentation will be crucial if the IRS ever has questions later. I learned this lesson the hard way with a smaller settlement a few years back. The AI tools and IRS callback services people mentioned sound really promising for getting definitive answers on the tricky parts. Better to spend a little money upfront getting it right than dealing with potential audit issues down the road!
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