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Nia Harris

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Something no one mentioned yet - have you checked if all 3 employers are withholding Social Security correctly? There's a cap on Social Security tax ($168,600 for 2025), but with multiple employers, each one doesn't know what the others are withholding. If your total income is under the cap this probably isn't relevant, but it's something to check if your wages get higher in future years.

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I think their total income was only like $75k so they're nowhere near the Social Security cap. But that's a good point for higher earners with multiple jobs.

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Zara Ahmed

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This is such a frustrating situation but you're definitely not alone! The multiple job withholding issue catches so many people off guard. I went through something similar a few years back when I had two W-2 jobs plus some consulting work. One thing I'd add to the great advice already given - when you update your W-4 forms, consider doing it gradually if you're worried about over-correcting. You could increase your withholding by maybe $50-60 per paycheck on your main job initially, then check your paystubs after a month or two to see how it's looking. The IRS withholding calculator can help you fine-tune from there. Also, since you're already dealing with this year's tax bill, you might want to look into setting up a payment plan with the IRS if $1,300 is tough to pay all at once. They offer short-term payment plans (120 days or less) with minimal fees, or longer installment agreements if needed. Just don't ignore it - they're actually pretty reasonable to work with if you're proactive about it. The silver lining is that once you get your withholding adjusted properly, you shouldn't have this problem again. It's just one of those things they don't really teach you about having multiple income sources!

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Tax preparer here. This is really common! Most likely the software is making different assumptions about your filing status or eligibility for certain credits based on your children. Did you answer the same "interview" questions on all platforms? Sometimes one platform will ask "Did you provide more than half the support for your child?" while another assumes this based on other answers. Or one platform might qualify your kids for the Child Tax Credit while another is qualifying them for the Credit for Other Dependents instead.

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Not OP but I have a kinda related question - is there a way to see exactly what calculations each software is doing? Like can I get an itemized breakdown from each one to compare?

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Dylan Cooper

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This happened to me two years ago and it was incredibly frustrating! The key thing is that even though you uploaded the same W2s, the platforms are making different assumptions about how to apply various tax laws based on your family situation. Since you mentioned you have kids, here's what's likely happening: each platform is automatically calculating child-related credits (Child Tax Credit, Additional Child Tax Credit, etc.) differently based on their initial questionnaires. They might also be handling your state taxes completely differently - some states have complex interactions with federal calculations that each software interprets slightly. My advice: pick the two platforms that seem most reasonable (I'd probably eliminate the one showing the most extreme result) and complete your entire return on both. Don't just stop at W2 entry. Enter all your deductions, any 1099s, childcare expenses, education credits - everything. Then compare the final results line by line. Most platforms will show you a detailed tax summary or Form 1040 preview before you file. Look specifically at: - How they calculated your Child Tax Credit - State income tax deduction vs. state taxes owed - Any automatic deductions they applied The differences will probably become much clearer once you have the complete picture rather than just the W2 portion.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to dealing with multiple tax platforms and this whole situation has been so confusing. Your point about completing the entire return makes a lot of sense - I was probably jumping to conclusions too early by only looking at the W2 results. Quick question: when you say "eliminate the one showing the most extreme result," in my case that would be HR Block (showing we get a state refund but owe $2,100 federal). Does that seem like the right one to eliminate, or should I be more concerned about FreeTaxUSA showing we owe $2,300 to the state? Also, is there a particular order you'd recommend for entering information? Like should I do all the basic stuff first across both platforms, then move to deductions, or complete one platform entirely before starting the other?

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I've been through this exact situation and it's incredibly frustrating! One thing that worked for me was checking if your former employer is registered with your state's business licensing department - many states have online databases where you can search by company name and find their EIN listed in their registration documents. Also, if you paid into unemployment insurance while working there, your state's unemployment office might have the employer's EIN on file and could provide it to you. I called my state's workforce commission and they were able to look it up for me using just the company name and my employment dates. Don't let their negligence stress you out too much - the IRS understands that some employers are unresponsive, which is exactly why Form 4852 exists. Just document your attempts to contact them (save those emails and call logs) in case the IRS ever asks. You're doing everything right by being proactive about this!

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This is really helpful advice! I hadn't thought about checking the state business licensing database - that's a great suggestion. I'm in California so I'll try searching the Secretary of State's business search tool to see if I can find their registration info. The unemployment office idea is brilliant too. I definitely paid into unemployment while I was there, so they should have the employer info on file. That might actually be faster than trying to get through to the IRS. Thanks for the reassurance about documenting everything. I've been saving all my email attempts and keeping notes of when I called, so hopefully that shows I made a good faith effort to get the W2 directly from them first.

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Esteban Tate

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Have you tried checking with your bank? If you had direct deposit set up with this employer, your bank statements might show the company's full legal name and sometimes additional identifying information that could help you track down their EIN through business databases. Also, if you're still struggling to find the EIN after trying all these suggestions, remember that you can actually file Form 4852 without the EIN initially - just put "UNKNOWN" in that field and include a note explaining that the employer is unresponsive. The IRS will work to identify the employer based on the other information you provide (company name, address, your employment dates, etc.). While this might add some processing time, it's better than missing the filing deadline entirely. You can always amend your return later once you get the correct EIN, but at least you'll have filed on time and avoided any late filing penalties.

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Dylan Fisher

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This is really good to know about filing with "UNKNOWN" for the EIN! I had no idea that was even an option. I've been stressing so much about getting that exact number before I could file anything. My bank statements do show the company name for the direct deposits, but unfortunately it's just their doing-business-as name, not their full legal entity name. Still worth checking though in case there are any additional details I missed. I think I'm going to try the state business database search first since that seems like it might be the quickest option, and then maybe call the unemployment office if that doesn't work. But it's such a relief to know I can file without the EIN if I absolutely have to. At least then I won't miss the deadline because of their incompetence. Thanks for all the practical advice - this thread has been way more helpful than anything I found on the IRS website!

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Has anyone tried calling the IRS directly about this? I've been getting rejected for a similar issue and every tax preparer I talk to gives me different answers!

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Good luck reaching anyone at the IRS this time of year lol. I tried calling about a similar issue last week and was on hold for 2.5 hours before the call disconnected. After reading this thread, I'm thinking about trying that Claimyr service that others mentioned.

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I work as a tax preparer and can confirm what others have said - the IRS definitely tightened their validation systems starting with 2023 tax year returns. What worked before may not work now because the automated checks are more sophisticated. For your specific situation, the rule is clear: only the parent claiming the child as a dependent can claim the Child and Dependent Care Credit. This is stated in IRS Publication 503. The fact that your ex pays for daycare doesn't change who's eligible to claim the credit. Your best options are: 1) You claim both the Child Tax Credit and Child Care Credit, then work out the financial arrangement privately with your ex, or 2) If you have multiple children, split them so each parent claims one child as dependent along with that child's care expenses, or 3) Your ex could claim the child as dependent (you'd need to sign Form 8332) and then he could claim both credits. The reason you're getting different answers from preparers is that some may not be up to date on how strictly these rules are now being enforced by the IRS systems.

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Thanks for the professional perspective! This is exactly the kind of clear explanation I was hoping to find. As someone new to dealing with these dependency issues, I'm curious - when you mention that the IRS validation systems got more sophisticated, does this mean there were a lot of people filing incorrectly before who just didn't get caught? It seems like the original poster's situation was pretty common if it worked for multiple years. Are there other common tax arrangements that used to "slip through" but are now getting flagged?

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I'm a CPA and can confirm this is absolutely NOT an IRS requirement. Your tax preparer is either misinformed or implementing their own excessive policy. The IRS does require preparers to exercise "due diligence" when claiming certain credits like EITC or Child Tax Credit, but this means completing Form 8867 and asking specific questions - not collecting and storing your personal documents. What's actually required: Preparers should verify the accuracy of information you provide (like SSNs, names, ages) and document their verification process. This typically involves seeing documents to confirm details, not keeping copies. Red flags in your situation: - Birth certificates aren't required for standard dependent claims - Report cards have no relevance to tax filing - Utility bills for "proof of residence" isn't a standard requirement - No legitimate preparer should be hoarding copies of SSN cards I'd strongly recommend asking your preparer to cite the specific IRS regulation requiring this. When they can't produce it (because it doesn't exist), you'll know you need a new preparer. After 8 years of working together, he should be able to explain this policy change with actual documentation, not vague references to "new IRS rules." Trust your instincts - this is definitely not normal or required.

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Thank you so much for the professional perspective! As a CPA, do you think there's any chance my preparer could be confusing requirements for business clients with individual tax requirements? I know some business filings have more stringent documentation needs. Or could this be related to some kind of professional liability insurance requirement rather than an actual IRS mandate? I'm trying to understand how a preparer I've trusted for 8 years could suddenly get this so wrong. I definitely plan to ask for the specific regulation, but I'm curious if there's any legitimate reason they might think this is necessary.

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That's a really thoughtful question! There are a few possibilities for why your longtime preparer might suddenly be asking for this: 1. Business vs. individual confusion is unlikely - the documentation requirements are pretty distinct between business and personal returns. 2. Professional liability insurance could be a factor. Some preparers' insurance providers might be recommending more aggressive documentation practices after claims related to fraudulent dependent filings. 3. IRS audit anxiety - with increased scrutiny on EITC and Child Tax Credit claims, some preparers are overcorrecting out of fear of penalties. 4. Firm policy changes - if your preparer joined a larger firm or changed their business structure, they might be following overly cautious internal policies. The most likely scenario is #3 or #4 - fear-based overcaution rather than actual requirements. But regardless of the reason, keeping copies of birth certificates and SSN cards creates unnecessary liability for both of you. When you ask for the specific IRS regulation, also ask if this is a firm policy versus an IRS requirement. That might help clarify where this is coming from and whether it's negotiable.

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This is definitely a red flag and you're absolutely right to question it. I've been doing my own taxes for years using TurboTax and similar software, and I've never been asked to provide copies of birth certificates, utility bills, or report cards - not even when claiming dependents or various tax credits. The fact that your preparer can't point to a specific IRS publication or regulation requiring this should tell you everything you need know. If this were a legitimate new requirement, the IRS would have published clear guidance about it, and every tax preparation software would be asking for the same documentation. What's particularly concerning is that he's asking to KEEP copies rather than just verify the information. Even if there were some verification requirement, keeping physical copies of such sensitive documents is a huge security liability. One data breach or break-in at his office and your entire family's identity could be compromised. I'd give him one more chance to produce the actual IRS regulation he's citing. If he can't or won't, I'd seriously consider doing your taxes yourself with software or finding a more reputable preparer. After 8 years of working together, he should be able to give you a straight answer about why he suddenly needs all this documentation.

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